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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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skit_data

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Idk, all this feels like a completely manufactured concern. Like i wrote in another thread;

You will probably encounter other hardware issues long before this. In PS4s case it will be thermal paste drying up or HDD crashing. The PS5 will probably have a way longer lifespan when it comes to that though so it may become an issue in a decade or more. All this is such hyperbole.

Also, isnt this issue solved by simply replacing the battery and boot up with an internet connection? Thats my interpretation at least
 

Hashi

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There's some very bad news..
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skit_data

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Doesn't it affect zero PS4 owners because you can replace the battery and re-connect to PSN and get your licenses renewed?
It affects you in the way that you have to take off the warranty seals and strip the console down to replace the battery. I had some problems finding the right sized security Torx screwdriver, but in the end I am convinced that the hardware will fail earlier than the CMOS battery runs out unless you do exactly that; strip the console down for cleaning and replace thermal compound.

Edit: Its not very hard either if you take some care. The security torx are only on the back, from there on its regular phillips screws. The hardest part was pulling off the bottom case of the console but if one simply follows model corresponding ifixit guides I think anyone with some common sense can do it in an hour or so.
 
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RaZoR No1

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PS5 digital has the battery bomb on the inside also. You know a problem that affects less than a percent of current ps4 owners
How does Xbox One / Series handle these issues? Do they have a time bomb, too?
AFAIK if you stay offline on a Xbox, you wont get any achievements. (one of the reasons we need that battery for the PS console, if I understood it correctly)
Disc games should run as long it is a full game on disc where we dont need to download a Day One patch to make it work.

And what about Nintendo with Wii U and Switch (can the Switch even be used without any kind of batteries, just play on TV with the Dock?)
 

Imtjnotu

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It affects you in the way that you have to take off the warranty seals and strip the console down to replace the battery. I had some problems finding the right sized security Torx screwdriver, but in the end I am convinced that the hardware will fail earlier than the CMOS battery runs out unless you do exactly that; strip the console down for cleaning and replace thermal compound.

Edit: Its not very hard either if you take some care. The security torx are only on the back, from there on its regular phillips screws. The hardest part was pulling off the bottom case of the console but if one simply follows model corresponding ifixit guides I think anyone with some common sense can do it in an hour or so.
By the time your ps4 does this you're well out of warranty. Who gives a shit about warranty seals after the warranty is up
 

FranXico

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How does Xbox One / Series handle these issues? Do they have a time bomb, too?
AFAIK if you stay offline on a Xbox, you wont get any achievements. (one of the reasons we need that battery for the PS console, if I understood it correctly)
Disc games should run as long it is a full game on disc where we dont need to download a Day One patch to make it work.

And what about Nintendo with Wii U and Switch (can the Switch even be used without any kind of batteries, just play on TV with the Dock?)
Xbox Series games discs have a one-time online activation.

To be clear, it just enables access to the game with a disc for that account. It is not DRM for discs. Discs are not uniquely assigned.
 
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skit_data

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By the time your ps4 does this you're well out of warranty. Who gives a shit about warranty seals after the warranty is up
Yeah, thats true as well. I did it out of curiosity a couple of years after i bought it. I also have a strange fetish for cleaning dusty electronics, nothing beats removing a buildup of dust on a heatsink
 
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RaZoR No1

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Xbox Series games discs have a one-time online activation.

To be clear, it enables access to the game with a disc for that account. Discs are not uniquely assigned.
Only Series or did the One have that too and what happens if you never go online?
First time I hear/read this
 

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FranXico

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Only Series or did the One have that too and what happens if you never go online?
First time I hear/read this
On the One, it was planned to be actual DRM, on the Series, it is part of Smart Delivery.

The Series X requires a stable internet connection for its first boot.
 
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reksveks

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The CMOS battery thing is such a massive non-issue.
CMOS batteries can die on a PC too. All you do is open it up and replace it and you're good to fucking go.
The issue is that if the servers for activations are taken offline then you are fucked. The concern has come about cause Sony are killing the old stores, if this includes the servers for activation then there is nothing that you can do.
 
The issue is that if the servers for activations are taken offline then you are fucked. The concern has come about cause Sony are killing the old stores, if this includes the servers for activation then there is nothing that you can do.

On a positive note since the PS5 is BC with the PS4 it's less likely that Sony will shut down the PS4 store anytime soon.
 

M1chl

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The CMOS battery thing is such a massive non-issue.
CMOS batteries can die on a PC too. All you do is open it up and replace it and you're good to fucking go.
Xbox does not have any CMOS, it just gets discharged upon power-less "operation", you plug it in and bam, it works. Same shit since X360. Not sure why suddenly some people jumping out of woodwork and stirring drama. If you have how to connect PS4 to the internet, it's non-issue.
 

reksveks

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Xbox does not have any CMOS, it just gets discharged upon power-less "operation", you plug it in and bam, it works. Same shit since X360. Not sure why suddenly some people jumping out of woodwork and stirring drama. If you have how to connect PS4 to the internet, it's non-issue.
It's cause of the ps3, vita store stuff has gotten people testing it onto the newer consoles. It's very much a problem for people really interested in game preservation.
 

LiquidRex

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Didn't he give an interview some years ago where he said he'd like to do something like GTA. 🤔
 

Naked Lunch

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Xbox does not have any CMOS, it just gets discharged upon power-less "operation", you plug it in and bam, it works. Same shit since X360. Not sure why suddenly some people jumping out of woodwork and stirring drama. If you have how to connect PS4 to the internet, it's non-issue.
The CMOS battery thing is such a massive non-issue.
CMOS batteries can die on a PC too. All you do is open it up and replace it and you're good to fucking go.
Replacing the battery is one thing.
The real issue is what happens when Sony shuts down the activation servers. What about 10 years from now? 20 years from now?
The fact that you cannot play even disc games is completely insane.
This is nothing like Dreamcast's battery dying and all you have to worry about is resetting the clock on bootup.

I just watched the tests of taking the battery out and no internet connection - disc games do not work on PS4 and I would assume this applies to Ps5 as well.
Hopefully hell is raised and they make a major firmware update - otherwise, never buying another Playstation console after this news.
 
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Mr Moose

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Replacing the battery is one thing.
The real issue is what happens when Sony shuts down the activation servers. What about 10 years from now? 20 years from now?
The fact that you cannot play even disc games is completely insane.
This is nothing like Dreamcast's battery dying and all you have to worry about is resetting the clock on bootup.

I just watched the tests of taking the battery out and no internet connection - disc games do not work on PS4 and I would assume this applies to Ps5 as well.
Hopefully hell is raised and they make a major firmware update - otherwise, never buying another Playstation console after this news.
Did they try putting it in offline mode or is it still trying to connect to the net? I kinda wanna take my PS4 apart and remove the battery to check.
 

ethomaz

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The issue is that if the servers for activations are taken offline then you are fucked. The concern has come about cause Sony are killing the old stores, if this includes the servers for activation then there is nothing that you can do.
They are killed the option to purchase games on these stores.

You can download and activate games you own just fine.
 
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reksveks

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They are killed the option to purchase games on these stores.

You can download and activate games you own just fine.
again it's not about downloading and activating the games that you have. it's about activating the ps3 you have if you have to replace the cmos (and again there is an unknown about the activation servers, there is a possibility that they will keep it up for ps now)
 
If the battery dies, but you still have an internet connection will the PS4 work due to updating via the internet? If the battery dies, and I replace it. Will it need to be connected online in order to verify the time?
 
Replacing the battery is one thing.
The real issue is what happens when Sony shuts down the activation servers. What about 10 years from now? 20 years from now?
The fact that you cannot play even disc games is completely insane.
This is nothing like Dreamcast's battery dying and all you have to worry about is resetting the clock on bootup.

I just watched the tests of taking the battery out and no internet connection - disc games do not work on PS4 and I would assume this applies to Ps5 as well.
Hopefully hell is raised and they make a major firmware update - otherwise, never buying another Playstation console after this news.
I agree with you there.
The unfortunate reality however, is that unless you buy all your games from GOG, you may as well never bother buying games at all.

Gamers were too eager to accept the advent of live services, microtransactions, DLC, buying half-baked software at full price with the promise that it will be fixed at a later stage - or better yet buying the fixes at exorbitant prices. And now we have GamePass and digital subscription evangelists, who are happy to trade actual ownership of games they enjoy for convenience and value for money (for now).

Welcome to the all-digital future.
 
I agree with you there.
The unfortunate reality however, is that unless you buy all your games from GOG, you may as well never bother buying games at all.

Gamers were too eager to accept the advent of live services, microtransactions, DLC, buying half-baked software at full price with the promise that it will be fixed at a later stage - or better yet buying the fixes at exorbitant prices. And now we have GamePass and digital subscription evangelists, who are happy to trade actual ownership of games they enjoy for convenience and value for money (for now).

Welcome to the all-digital future.
Game preservation is and forever will be assured thanks to digital. Rom dumps are there way past any console's expiry date. I have terabytes of games readily playable any time I want without having to manufacture a crt and 30 year old systems.
Let's not confuse it with the other risks of stuff like game pass (aka games as a service being the only viable method to make money from subscriptions)
 

LiquidRex

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Wait, did he? This is the first time I'm hearing this. Can you find the link?

In this article back in 2010 he said he'd like to do something else.. I'll keep looking where he mentioned GTA, I'm sure he did. 🤔
 

LiquidRex

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Wait, did he? This is the first time I'm hearing this. Can you find the link?


In this article back in 2010 he said he'd like to do something else.. I'll keep looking where he mentioned GTA, I'm sure he did.

In this article from 2010 he said he wanted a GTA mode.
 
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CMOS battery in my PS4 died because I always disconnect electronic devices from power when not in use. Not a big deal it syncs time over the internet.
Don't keep old consoles or games around anyway.
 
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