Zoro7
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7 = Full RDNA 2.0
What do the markings mean, there's 7 present on XSS & XSX but only 5 on the PS5 stamp.Each mark represents a Month maybe.
5 = RDNA 0.9
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5 = RDNA 0.9
FranXico
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Careful, some might think you're serious.
ethomaz
Banned
I don't think so because there is only space for 8 dots and AMD chips are dated with Year + Week.
What do the markings mean, there's 7 present on XSS & XSX but only 5 on the PS5 stamp.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Right, i think someone mentioned that before, but id still rather have them upgrade the visuals than settle for 60 fps. I really dont want a 5 tflops game using the other 5 tflops just render 2x more frames or 2x more pixels. ;p
That said, for some reason Insomniac went with native 4k 30 fps for Ratchet just like Bluepoint did for their 30 fps version so its possible their goal was to release a 1440p 60 fps mode all along.
EDIT: part of the reason why Im so against wasting GPU resources on 60 fps or native 4k is because we are still so far behind what I consider to be either photorealistic visuals or film quality CGi. This CG tv spot for Miles is what I want next gen games to look like and I think they can get there with a 10 tflops PS5 is they just focus on a 1440p 30 fps budget. Those 10 tflops are already being stressed by having to do expensive ray traced reflections that come at the expense of normal rasterization performance.
In just three years, we can get 60 fps versions of these games anyway. Just buy a ps5 pro. Or now that these games are going to PC, just buy a 3080.
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FranXico
Member
You lost me there.
ethomaz
Banned
I can switch between 30 and 60fps very easy so it is not a issue for me but I see others have different opinion.
Most games I play in the mode it shipped... I don't remember the last time I changed that except to test.
Now I really have a low tolerance to tearing, blurry and artifacts.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol I just look at the best games of this gen and the gens before and very rarely do you see a 60 fps game win GOTYs. Even back in the PS1 and PS2 days when 60 fps modes were far more common than they are today.
So while 60 fps is definitely better, i'd rather devs finally focus on destruction, better A.I, more NPCs, better graphical fidelity, more effects, more everything.
SSfox
Member
360 was a great console (outside of the ROD problem), but when it comes to the games it had nothing to with MS, thanks to the 3rd party instead.Yeah, ps3 vs 360, MS has done only shit and Sony was perfect with clearly greater success
Danlord
Member
Not that I don't disagree with your sentiment regarding GOTY's from the past, I just think it is different this generation.
Developers are less hindered by the hardware than any other generation, the amount of R&D that has gone into game engine's that has carried straight over to this generation as well as the maturity of the tools (and no problematic SDK's and development environments with the complex programming required like PS2 and PS3) , the development pipeline is already mature enough that developers do an incredible amount from the get go and will only improve as we go on. All those things you said re: AI, more NPCs, majorly increased graphics fidelity will all be possible alongside a 60FPS option and will be more up to the developer's capabilities and resource allocation and I'm all for it. I'd love to see a Red Faction reboot built using Unreal Engine using their chaos destruction physics, dense NPC crowd simulations in open-world games and so much more and I don't think that developers also wanting to achieve 60FPS would limit any of that entirely.
SSfox
Member
This i agree with, MS started good with 360 gen by financing games like Lost Odyssey, but they gave up way too fast and then go full retard with Kinect, and now gamepass is their new thing they try hard with. It's like they always try to get money from you with some weird shit nobody ever asked for, but never do it with concrete stuffs that everyone are asking for, cf. great games... yup couldn't be that simple.In fact, I agree with that. I just disagree when for many people, MS is only doing shit. With 360, I really think that MS has started to do really interesting things and choices. But killed that during the last years.
It remained impressive after having the PS2 killing everyone the gen before.
For the rrod, I have indeed encountered it with my 360 from day one, but also had the ylod with my ps3 fat so for me it was a tie haha
I mean they can do some of their weird shit like Kinect 2.0 or whatever weird idea they had in their big dollar brain, but for me if you don't have the games that make my dick hard, then you are nothing in the videogame industry... to put it in the kindest words possible, Sony also has VR that i'm personally not really into tbh or the psmoves in the ps3 era for example but i don't feel Sony is throwing it at my face all day like MS do with their weird shit like Kinect or gamepass, while Sony also do the essentiel at the simultanuous aka... again, great games, yup it's that simple, this is why i have respect for Sony, and even for Nintendo, but MS.. well no comment.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I am mostly basing this off of what I see on my PC games. Doubling the framerate or resolution directly affects the GPU usage. Its a fairly linear relationship. Maybe engines will change next gen, but even if the better architectures of CPUs will allow for far more 60 fps games with destruction, higher NPC counts and better A.I in general, the GPU will still be doing all the heavy lifting. Destruction is all physics based which is all GPU. NPC simulation logic are also tied to the CPU but again, the GPU is the one that has to render all those extra NPCs. So while the CPU will allow all these fancy new features, the GPU is still doing all the rendering and doubling that load by either doubling the framerate or by double the pixel count will directly affect the GPU.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Even up to the Road to the PS5 there were a few of us (very few actually) who stated all along the XSX would be more powerful in sheer TFs but the PS5 was slightly more advanced and faster SSD
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sony's SSD advantage hasnt exactly shown up in games or even load times so far in multiplats. I was expecting at least 2x faster loads but they are all pretty much identical at the moment. The game sizes being much smaller could be a big advantage in an age where SSDs are expensive and the internal space is very limited. I wonder if Sony will focus on that as a marketing bullet point.
Hoping to see some stark SSD and I/O advantage going forward seeing as how much Sony invested in it at the expense of tflops.
KingT731
Member
I agree with this statement for the most part but is it "at the expense of tflops" if the performance is mostly the same? I think that remains to be seen truly.
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Serouj2000
Member
They could've still delayed them until further notice.
Wasn't the PS3 delayed at least once in 2006?
Neo Blaster
Member
I think you can blame this on how customized current engines are to use HDDs. I'm eagerly waiting to see how the first games running on UE5 and other next gen customized engines will run.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
I thought the XSS had 10GB of RAM. No wonder it gets a bad rep people don't even know the correct specs of the device.
ゲーム機は先端半導体の宝庫！ 「PS5」「Xbox」のチップを比較する
ソニーとMicrosoftは2020年11月に、おのおの新型の据え置きゲーム機を発売した。テカナリエは2機種（正確には4機種を12月には入手して分解、チップ開封などを行い、解析レポートを発行済である）を早々に入手し、分解した。 (1/3)eetimes.jp
All the same year.
Xbox Series S vs Xbox One S: the cheapest Xbox consoles compared
The Xbox Series S vs Xbox One S side by side
www.techradar.com
LiquidRex
Member
Definitely a typo, they mention 10GB in the article.I thought the XSS had 10GB of RAM. No wonder it gets a bad rep people don't even know the correct specs of the device.
Xbox Series S vs Xbox One S: the cheapest Xbox consoles compared
The Xbox Series S vs Xbox One S side by side
ethomaz
Banned
Is it because 2GB runs at 56GB/s?I thought the XSS had 10GB of RAM. No wonder it gets a bad rep people don't even know the correct specs of the device.
Xbox Series S vs Xbox One S: the cheapest Xbox consoles compared
The Xbox Series S vs Xbox One S side by side
LiquidRex
Member
ethomaz
Banned
Yeap... 8GB runs at 224GB/s and 2GB runs at 56GB/s.4 modules on the front and 1 module on the back.
Photoshop guy probably made a mistake.
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ethomaz
Banned
If the hardware ML is the INT16/INT8/INT4 mixed math then yes the gap is more like around 20% than the 40% more CUs.If ML is run off the GPU, and the XSX has more CUs... Won't the higher clock of the PS5 GPU close the gap somewhat.
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Lunatic_Gamer
Gold Member
PlayStation Now games for April 2021: Marvel’s Avengers, Borderlands 3 and The Long Dark
PlayStation Now games for April 2021: Marvel’s Avengers, Borderlands 3 and The Long Dark
All available to play starting tomorrow, April 6.
blog.playstation.com
Lunatic_Gamer
Gold Member
Lunatic_Gamer
Gold Member
KingT731
Member
If I'm not mistaken the XSX is re-using some parts from the 1X.Sony outsourced quite abit it seems for the PS5 development.
The Southbridge Chip is newly developed apparently compared to the Xbox Southbridge Chips.
Edit: This may also explain the seemingly sudden discontinuation of the 1X.
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You wrong, Phil say that he waits till september 2020 to have Trubo RDNA to power Halo Infinite.ゲーム機は先端半導体の宝庫！ 「PS5」「Xbox」のチップを比較する
ソニーとMicrosoftは2020年11月に、おのおの新型の据え置きゲーム機を発売した。テカナリエは2機種（正確には4機種を12月には入手して分解、チップ開封などを行い、解析レポートを発行済である）を早々に入手し、分解した。 (1/3)
All the same year.
josephgamer
Banned
Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
nintendosmash.com
Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Although at the moment this patent from Sony may be that, like many others, finally it remains in nothing else. The PlayStation 5 could have new forms and ways to play their controls if a new Sony patent comes to fruition; or to someone. It is a move that would make titles more accessible...
nintendosmash.com
Good to finally have confirmation of this.ゲーム機は先端半導体の宝庫！ 「PS5」「Xbox」のチップを比較する
ソニーとMicrosoftは2020年11月に、おのおの新型の据え置きゲーム機を発売した。テカナリエは2機種（正確には4機種を12月には入手して分解、チップ開封などを行い、解析レポートを発行済である）を早々に入手し、分解した。 (1/3)
All the same year.
I got tired of trying to explain looking at it logically it either meant Sony was more component or it was MS pr about being late.
Or the Series consoles were supposed to launch earlier than Nov 2020.
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Serouj2000
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Serouj2000
Member
Oh, boy!Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Although at the moment this patent from Sony may be that, like many others, finally it remains in nothing else. The PlayStation 5 could have new forms and ways to play their controls if a new Sony patent comes to fruition; or to someone. It is a move that would make titles more accessible...
Because it totally worked when Microsoft tried to do that!
Mr Moose
Member
Why are all of your posts from that website? *shifty eyes*Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Although at the moment this patent from Sony may be that, like many others, finally it remains in nothing else. The PlayStation 5 could have new forms and ways to play their controls if a new Sony patent comes to fruition; or to someone. It is a move that would make titles more accessible...
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It's south-bridge for controlling of USB and security.
LiquidRex
Member
The newer Southbridge Chip in the PS5 makes sense, PSVR2 connectivity etc...
Serouj2000
Member
Edit: After I saw what it meant, hmmm...
For those who are curious, this post originally said along the lines kf "I see Solid State technology is being used for everything but the physical media (for the games) 
Major shift from the 90s
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Major shift from the 90s
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Yeah it does, consoles are build differently, also display port in USB-C you need additional HW for that.
LiquidRex
Member
Serouj2000
Member
FixedWhy are all of your posts from that website?
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LiquidRex
Member
Would be very interesting in how well it works... Especially understanding dialects... Like how well would it be able to pick up Boogies2988 alter-ego Francis speech.Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Although at the moment this patent from Sony may be that, like many others, finally it remains in nothing else. The PlayStation 5 could have new forms and ways to play their controls if a new Sony patent comes to fruition; or to someone. It is a move that would make titles more accessible...
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Playstation On.Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Sony could be working on a voice-controlled PlayStation controller
Although at the moment this patent from Sony may be that, like many others, finally it remains in nothing else. The PlayStation 5 could have new forms and ways to play their controls if a new Sony patent comes to fruition; or to someone. It is a move that would make titles more accessible...
Serouj2000
Member
That would would technically be the original Playstation, because On=1
Edit:Typo.
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Kenpachii
Member
Off topic I know, but in case there are Star Trek fans here.... Looks like Q is returning... I just hope he's nothing like he was in Voyager.
Will watch just because of Q
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
If ML is run off the GPU, and the XSX has more CUs... Won't the higher clock of the PS5 GPU close the gap somewhat.
Yes.
ML performance for AMD is based on shader array performance. So theoretical performance is directly proportional to both CU count and GPU clock-speed.
Since both consoles have mixed precision packed math for INT OPs, the difference will be +18% in favour of XSX (as per the +18% difference in TFs).
Practically, however, since ML is extremely memory latency sensitive, PS5 could very well prove to have an edge with its higher clocked caches. On the other-hand, some ML workloads may still run faster on XSX because of the higher memory bandwidth for the fast pool.
Bottom line: ML performance depends on way more than just CU count (contrary to the myth proliferated by fanboy loons on the internet).
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I've never been a fan of Star Trek as I find it's nerdy comedy cheesy, except the following
- Wrath of Khan
- The recent Star Trek movies 1 & 2. #3 was terrible
- Any STNG episodes with Q. My bro loved that show and I cringed, BUT if it was a Q episode they were awesome. Awesome character and actor who does him. His character can totally be cheesy too, but it works with that character
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