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[Ass of Can Whooping]

If Sony got really stupid and decided to end their game licensing agreement with the MLB, it would take less than 24 hours for EA, 2K, or possibly even Microsoft to acquire the rights. The MLB is the one in the power position, not Sony lol.

Which entails

Losing all the assets
Losing the developers
Losing the brand image that Sony and MLB spent decades building

And then having to build all of that back up, in addition to actually finding a publisher and negotiating (which may or may not be as favourable as Sony's terms) and the developer on top of that, because remember, they're all working on their own projects and whether or not they can match the quality and output from San Diego and not get games rated in

You're naive to think MLB has all the power in the negotations

 

[FatKingBallman]

I don't see Sony producing MLB games going forward. There might be a 2022 release, but I don't foresee The Show 2023.

If Sony releases The Show 2022, MS will also put that one on GamePass. Why would anyone buy the game on PS then? At this stage, Sony would just prefer not to make the game at all.

Why they wouldn't? Sony ( or San Diego, whatever) will get a cut of each copies sold on every platform, even if is on Gamepass, so yes, Sony surely got a cut of Gamepass deal. There is no bypass like you said in previous posts

 

[BigLee74]

Just the start I think. Gamepass is going places, big time, and only the most blinkered of Sony fans can’t (or don’t want to) see it.

It won’t be long now before those 25 or so first party studios start churning out exclusive games at a rate of one every 3 months. I’m sure they won’t all be masterpieces, but gems will come, and won’t cost £70 a pop for subscribers.

Having said all that, it’s a baseball game. The sport has very little audience outside the States, and I for one certainly won’t be downloading it (and I’m a sports fan!).

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Which entails

Losing all the assets
Losing the developers
Losing the brand image that Sony and MLB spent building for over decades

And then having to build all of that back up, in addition to actually finding a publisher and negotiating (which may or may not be as favourable as Sony's terms) and the developer on top of that, because remember, they're all working on their own projects and whether or not they can match the quality and output from San Diego and not get games rated in

You're naive to think MLB has all the power in the negotations

The MLB couldn't care less about game quality when there is ample evidence to suggest consumers will buy yearly iterations of a mediocre game as long as a new number is slapped on the front cover. Just look to the NBA 2k and the FIFA franchises to substantiate my claim. As long as one publisher has a monopoly on the name "MLB", people will buy and have no alternatives to rely on.

 

[Withnail]

Clever move by MS, I imagine they were happy to pay whatever it took just because of the PR value.

I'm curious though, has it actually been confirmed that Sony San Diego is developing the Xbox version? I'm starting to think MLB is publishing an Xbox port contracted out to a third party dev. Kind of makes more sense to me anyway because I always had a hard time imagining Xbox sending dev kits to Sony.

 

[Concern]

We should have saw it coming. We were too blind to see

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

The MLB couldn't care less about game quality when there is ample evidence to suggest consumers will buy yearly iterations of a mediocre game as long as a new number is slapped on the front cover. Just look to the NBA 2k and the FIFA franchises to substantiate my claim. As long as one publisher has a monopoly on the name "MLB", people will buy and have no alternatives to rely on.

Marvel has a monopoly on Spiderman games

Guess which Spiderman game is the best selling one

 

[Stuart360]

Clever move by MS, I imagine they were happy to pay whatever it took just because of the PR value.

I'm curious though, has it actually been confirmed that Sony San Diego is developing the Xbox version? I'm starting to think MLB is publishing an Xbox port contracted out to a third party dev. Kind of makes more sense to me anyway because I always had a hard time imagining Xbox sending dev kits to Sony.

There is an Xbox trailer (posted in this thread somehwere), that shows Playstation ,and Sony San Diego logo's at the start.

 

[Hitchyhero]

im so glad I didn’t make the switch

there’s literally nothing for me to play on the Xbox or GamePass I care about

You do what's right for you

 

[KyoZz]

Everyone in this thread:

Me:

 

[b6a6es]

LOL quite frankly all of this is a bunch of nonsense.
Kenichiro Yoshida is a really great, focused and down to earth CEO that is making Sony a really strong company financially, the whole group has never been in such a positive shape since the glorious days of the analog electronics era. If Sony in the future will be able to make more investements it will be because of this financial stability.
And it's ridiculous to think that he doesn't care about their most successful and most profitable division because of Emiya Family on Switch!!!! (I had to google it right now....). The company is having record sales, record profits, record subscription and software sales under him.

Let's face it, some guys are really too emotionally invested into this bullshit and really insecure.
They want to feel like executives care about them or are handling the business according to what they want to see, when they want to see it.
The whole complaining about things like Japan Studio being closed (as if Sony never closed unprofitable and unsuccessful studios like Japan studio before while behind the scenes they're basically doubling the developing teams at most of their other successful studios) or the constant "Omg they need to buy an other publisher as soon as possible so that I can feel protected being part of the brand!!" is simply ridiculous.
None of this has any impact outside of a bubble of (too much) invested fans. Just like no one gives a fuck in the real world about playing with PSP games in 2021. Not to mention PSVita, that people didn't care about when the system was alive it's all unconsequential drama.
Just like what happened with MLB today, besides the bad PR blow they were not prepared enough to foresee, this adds nothing to a problem that Sony already had and has been obviously preparing to face mig-long term behind the scenes and that is a transition to a different business model that inolves trying to be profitable with games subscription services.

i wouldn`t call mr. Kenichiro a great, focused down to earth CEO who cares about the gaming Division at Sony when it comes to making a deal with your competitor while entirely Blindsiding the Executives at PS (like what you said, their most profitable division), it clearly resulted in the Power Struggle/Internal Conflict between Sony HQ in Japan & SIE that led to long-time talented veteran leaving the Company (Shawn Layden), The Rabbit-hole goes even deeper when you realize that the whole SIE Censorship controversy started not even a Month after the whole deal was made in 2019

Sony Confirms Existence of Strict Content Censorship Policy Regarding PlayStation 4 Releases

Following numerous incidences of censorship, Sony confirmed that they have adopted a strict content policy regarding media released on the PlayStation 4.

boundingintocomics.com

the PS division is the most successful division last year is due to the incredible talents that built the whole division since the Early PS3 Disaster launch (Kaz Hirai,Tretton,House,Layden,Shuhei yoshida and even Jim Ryan), the whole thing about Sony group becoming a strong company financially is mostly due to Kaz Hirai restructuring from 2012-2019.

 

[FatKingBallman]

The MLB couldn't care less about game quality when there is ample evidence to suggest consumers will buy yearly iterations of a mediocre game as long as a new number is slapped on the front cover.

You think? After great MLB for years and if Sony decides go abandon MLB and someone else made a mediocre MLB, like RBI baseball, be sure that MLB would care about quality about their license

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Marvel has a monopoly on Spiderman games

Guess which Spiderman game is the best selling one

What are you talking about? Marvel has licensed out the Spiderman IP to various publishers and developers over the years. Unsurprisingly however, ever since Sony allowed Disney to use Spiderman in their MCU films, Sony has become the sole user of the IP. Probably a deal came about that as long as Sony allowed Spiderman in the MCU, only Sony could use him in any video games. You proved my point.

 

[Kholinar]

I don't much care for the headline, but I am vigilantly taking note of all the alleged PS fanboys denouncing Sony and vowing to never buy another game of theirs again. Wonder if they'll stay true to their word once the next Horizon or God of War trailer drops, lmao.

 

[InDaGulag]

Clever move by MS, I imagine they were happy to pay whatever it took just because of the PR value.

I'm curious though, has it actually been confirmed that Sony San Diego is developing the Xbox version? I'm starting to think MLB is publishing an Xbox port contracted out to a third party dev. Kind of makes more sense to me anyway because I always had a hard time imagining Xbox sending dev kits to Sony.

The Game Pass trailer has the PS Studio logo in it.

I honestly don't care about this, but I do find the fanboy reactions to be hilarious.

Phil is like on a one-man mission to piss the more deranged Sony fans off. lol

 

[Wizz-Art]

I think PS is prepping to go third party...

 

[b6a6es]

If Sony got really stupid and decided to end their game licensing agreement with the MLB, it would take less than 24 hours for EA, 2K, or possibly even Microsoft to acquire the rights. The MLB is the one in the power position, not Sony lol.

honestly, keeping MLB license at the cost of this PR nightmare is not worth it, Sony would still get 30% from all the MTX transactions if MLB goes to 2K or EA or Even Microsoft ffs

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

What are you talking about? Marvel has licensed out the Spiderman IP to various publishers and developers over the years. Unsurprisingly however, ever since Sony allowed Disney to use Spiderman in their MCU films, Sony has become the sole user of the IP. Probably a deal came about that as long as Sony allowed Spiderman in the MCU, only Sony could use him in any video games. You proved my point.

1. It has nothing to do with the MCU. This has been repeated over and over and it's wrong.

2. Marvel has licensed out spiderman games for years, and most of the time, they've been shit. They dropped activision becuase they were shit. It didn't matter that they had a monopoly on Spiderman games, they wanted both commercial, and critical success for their games, and they were willing to let their games be exclusive to one platform (PlayStation) for that to happen.

 

[rapid32.5]

Ok where do I sign up for M1chl Pass sub ? this is better than any AAAA games PS5 owners will ever play.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Yep. Everything is sold out. I dont see how anyone is even able to buy a PC unless they settle for poor cards that offer worse performance than the ps5 and xsx.

I joined a discord group. Followed people on twitter. Been checking different stores and websites and I just cant find anything. I would love to see just how many of these 30 series GPUs have been sold because while Sony has sold 7.5 million PS5s, I refused to believe more than 1 million of these 30 series cards are in circulation at the moment.

You looking for just the 3000 cards or a whole prebuilt?

Best Buy has prebuilts coming in and out of stock daily with 3070s and 3080s just they dont last long.

Earlier today there was a 3070 and 3090 prebuilt in stock there

 

[M1chl]

Ok where do I sign up for M1chl Pass sub ? this is better than any AAAA games PS5 owners will ever play.

People are funny and laugh is always free my friend : )

 

[Jaysen]

Just the start I think. Gamepass is going places, big time, and only the most blinkered of Sony fans can’t (or don’t want to) see it.

It won’t be long now before those 25 or so first party studios start churning out exclusive games at a rate of one every 3 months. I’m sure they won’t all be masterpieces, but gems will come, and won’t cost £70 a pop for subscribers.

Having said all that, it’s a baseball game. The sport has very little audience outside the States, and I for one certainly won’t be downloading it (and I’m a sports fan!).

Japan and every Latin country says lol

 

[DaGwaphics]

I don't much care for the headline, but I am vigilantly taking note of all the alleged PS fanboys denouncing Sony and vowing to never buy another game of theirs again. Wonder if they'll stay true to their word once the next Horizon or God of War trailer drops, lmao.

Haha. The following is real surveillance of some Sony fans in this thread today:

Most have been just clowning, but I do fear for some. LOL

 

[Bartski]

I think PS is prepping to go third party...

PHOTOSHOPPED OR TREASON

 

[b6a6es]

Marvel has a monopoly on Spiderman games

Guess which Spiderman game is the best selling one

yet any time Marvel could Force SIE to make it a Multiplatform similarly to MLB, i seriously cant wait for Spider-man 2 hitting Gamepass Day 1 while us PS suckers have to pay 70$ for it

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

yet any time Marvel could Force SIE to make it a Multiplatform similarly to MLB, i seriously cant wait for Spider-man 2 hitting Gamepass Day 1 while PS suckers have to pay 70$ for it

And Sony could say no, and Marvel has to go back to the drawing board to find a developer that doesn't make shit Spiderman games again

 

[Wizz-Art]

PHOTOSHOPPED OR TREASON

The real question is; will you eat your sock and film it if it's true?

 

[b6a6es]

And Sony could say no, and Marvel has to go back to the drawing board to find a developer that doesn't make shit Spiderman games again

Sony would Never say no when it comes to a game that sold well over 25M+ copies (Reaching Nintendo Status in 1st Party sales), Marvel couldn`t give a rat ass about it since they`re under Disney

 

[StreetsofBeige]

WOW.

I thought this was a late Ail Fools joke, but looks like it's true.

Sony really took the money on this one. There's no way the MLB forced Sony to offer it on GP. You'd think with zero full budge baseball games on Xbox for probably 10 years (the last ones were those shitty 2k games), MS would have a lot of eager Xbox gamers buying MLB The Show for full price and just ride that.

Looks like they are gunning it with optional GP downloads.

The game typically sells about 1-2 million copies on Sony. A very USA skewed title. I dont think too many gamers in Europe or Japan buy American baseball games.

But with Xbox sales and GP downloads (I'm going to download it too), there will be more Xbox users than on PS!

 

[Stuart360]

And Sony could say no, and Marvel has to go back to the drawing board to find a developer that doesn't make shit Spiderman games again

Sony was forced to make The Amazing Spiderman film because they were going to lose the license if they didnt.
Also do Sony own Spiderman outright, or is just movie rights?, movie and game rights?, comics?, etc.

 

[Bartski]

dude I'm joking

 

[FatKingBallman]

I dont think Jim cares. The damage is already done with them announcing ports of all first party titles to PC. They dont care about losing money in the long run as long as they make money in the short term.

First and foremost they need to port older games from PS4, not a PS5. Who knows when it will happen.

Man this gif reminds me how the tables have turned. I remember the legendary meme thread here on gaf. In just under a year, Xbox went from being a laughing stock to this. Fascinating stuff. So many missteps by Sony that MS has taken full advantage of. What a turn around. Now it's Sony fans who are laughing at their own favorite company.

Tables turned? Sony already lost this gen? Chill, man

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Bet MLB isn’t coming to PSNow day one. Is this a sign of things to come?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Sony would Never say no when it comes to a game that sold well over 25M+ copies (Reaching Nintendo Status in 1st Party sales), Marvel couldn`t give a rat ass about it since they`re under Disney

Sony is reaching record levels of revenue regardless of Spiderman, so yes I think they would.

No, I'm pretty sure Marvel and Disney do give a rats ass about the brand image of their most popular superhero

 

[Deleted member 471617]

GamePass now is 4 years old and what GamePass did for XB1 against PS4?? Big migration happend from PS4 to XB1? People stopped buying PS5?? I think you need to relax and sit back and think.

Since 2018, it was never about Xbox One. It was always about the future and next generation which is now current generation. I don't care that Xbox One sucked because that shit is long gone. I don't care that PlayStation 4 was amazing because that shit is also long gone.

I care about NOW and this generation because that's what matters to me. Years ago on BOTH sides means nothing to me because it's the past. I care about the present and future.

 

[Thirty7ven]

yet any time Marvel could Force SIE to make it a Multiplatform similarly to MLB, i seriously cant wait for Spider-man 2 hitting Gamepass Day 1 while us PS suckers have to pay 70$ for it

Thing about Spider-Man is that Sony owns the movie rights, and that’s a really big deal for Disney. Which is why they have extended their partnership for the movies, keeping him and the spin off characters within MCU.

For sure Spider-Man being a PlayStation exclusive has a lot to do with that, it simply doesn’t come up in the contract because it doesn’t work like that.

So yeah that ain’t happening, specially when the games themselves are Sony’s property now. Disney can’t even break the contract and re release those games in other platforms, because they don’t own those games.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Sony was forced to make The Amazing Spiderman film because they were going to lose the license if they didnt.

What do you mean?

Also do Sony own Spiderman outright, or is just movie rights?, movie and game rights?, comics?, etc.

Just movie rights

They still own the games themselves though

 

[SlimySnake]

First and foremost they need to port older games from PS4, not a PS5. Who knows when it will happen.



Tables turned? Sony already lost this gen? Chill, man

i meant tables turned in terms of becoming a laughing stock/being memed like Jim Ryan and Sony are being memed right now. Reminded me of the reception to the xsx conference when craig became a meme. I dont think sony is going to lose this gen.

As for porting older games, the sony press release mentioned they will be bringing first party titles going forward. Didnt mention anything about them being old PS4 titles only.

 

[Leyasu]

This gen, Microsofts moneyhats are going to be geared more towards day one gamepass releases, as opposed to 6mth/1yr exclusives I feel.

 

[DaGwaphics]

You'd think with zero full budge baseball games on Xbox for probably 10 years (the last ones were those shitty 2k games), MS would have a lot of eager Xbox gamers buying MLB The Show for full price and just ride that.

I don't know, I can kind of see it the other way. The Xbox gamers that love sports titles have been doing without MLB for so long they've forgotten about it, LOL. Those that absolutely loved playing MLB games picked up a PS years ago.

 

[Stuart360]

What do you mean?

Sony had to make The Amazing Spiderman movie (the one with Garfield) because these ownage rights for licenses like these usually have clauses and stipulations where if you havent done anything with the license for a certain amount of time (like make a movie), you end up losing the license.
Google it.
Same thing has happened with the Terminator rights, and thats why we keep getting a crappy Terminator movie every few years.

 

[SlimySnake]

You looking for just the 3000 cards or a whole prebuilt?

Best Buy has prebuilts coming in and out of stock daily with 3070s and 3080s just they dont last long.

Earlier today there was a 3070 and 3090 prebuilt in stock there

I will check it out. I already bought a prebuilt PC two years ago with a 2080 and that turned out to be kind of a poorly built PC. Had to invest almost $500 in it to replace some shoddy parts, and now that i have a brand new case and a cooling system I was hoping to just plug in a $700 3080 to double my performance for cheap'ish.

But the AIB cards are well over $800 at MSRP and sell out in a flash. The founders edition are still $700 but nowhere to be found except for on bestbuy where its pretty much impossible to keep track of when they get those.

 

[Bartski]

btw, imagine Metacritic review bombing this will get on release.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Sony had to make The Amazing Spiderman movie (the one with Garfield) because these ownage rights for licenses like these usually have clauses and stipulations where if you have done anything with the license for a certain amount of time (like make a movie), you end up losing the license.
Google it.
Same thing has happened with the Terminator rights, and thats why we keep getting a crappy Terminator movie every few years.

Makes sense, assuming that's true but I can't find anything, but that's to do with Sony Films and how much they value keeping the film rights

Nothing to do with SIE who don't even have the game rights in the first place

 

[squarealex]

bc sony is doomed apparently.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Sony had to make The Amazing Spiderman movie (the one with Garfield) because these ownage rights for licenses like these usually have clauses and stipulations where if you havent done anything with the license for a certain amount of time (like make a movie), you end up losing the license.
Google it.
Same thing has happened with the Terminator rights, and thats why we keep getting a crappy Terminator movie every few years.

Sony has basically worked out a strategy to avoid that until the end of days. An animated movie, a spin off like Venom, etc they only need one of these every five years.

 

[Neo_Geo]

Not coming to PC GamePass. Fucking eat shit MS.

 

[FatKingBallman]

Didnt mention anything about them being old PS4 titles only.

You think for them that porting a PS5 game a year after on PC is a good for them? They need to sell consoles first and foremost

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sony had to make The Amazing Spiderman movie (the one with Garfield) because these ownage rights for licenses like these usually have clauses and stipulations where if you havent done anything with the license for a certain amount of time (like make a movie), you end up losing the license.
Google it.
Same thing has happened with the Terminator rights, and thats why we keep getting a crappy Terminator movie every few years.

I'm too lazy to google it, but I think Sony has some crazy perpetual licensing deal Marvel was stupid to sign. As long as Sony makes Spidey movies within a given time frame they keep the license forever.

I think the deal has no time limit.

Anyone who signs a deal with no time limit or mutual consent needed by both parties every year or two, has to be the dumbest person in the world to allow it. And in the case, the Marvel side.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Based on how things are going with Sony now, I’m not totally surprised that something like this happened even IF they had no control over it. There’s just a different vibe going on over there now. Wonder what’s next? Hey, we can make a little more money with our first party titles on PC, so why not try that Gamepass thing? It’s just a glorified a rental service, it’s not in direct competition with our $70 games!!!! Right?