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[LisaMariaMartin]

they have no say in that lol

They have no say in a game that will be developed by people who are paid by them for the next 3-5 years? lol

 

[alabtrosMyster]

They are the same exact people who are gloating now.

I know, you know I know, we all know.

 

[Hitchyhero]

''We have games that exist on other platforms, and we're going to go support those games on the platforms they're on. There's communities of players. We love those communities and we'll continue to invest in them. And even in the future, there might be things that have either contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we'll go do.''

That to me says things like Elder scrolls on line where it already has a community and legacy on the platform so they will continue to support the game with things like expansions etc.

I was abut unsure of what MS was going to do but this seems as clear as day. Games will be released on PS that are under contract. Others like ES online will continue to be supported. The rest like Doom, wolfenstein, fallout and TES will be exclusive.

 

[Topher]

You're nuts if you think they'll let Indiana Jones go to Sony or Nintendo.

That would be like Sony letting MLB go to Xbox!

 

[Aguero9320]

So I guess we need to wait for E3 for the Xbox victory lap to see exactly which titles are exclusive and which have "existing agreements"? Do we know that there arent "existing agreements" for games like the next Doom?

I’m going to ask this again. What would the agreement say? As far as I am aware multiplat titles without exclusivity do not have ‘agreements’ - because there is nothing to be agreed upon

 

[Edgelord79]

can this dude not talk in riddles?
how hard is to come out and say. for now on all these games (put the game name) will be exclusive to xbox.

first setence clears says games that are multiplat will still be multi. new ips probably a different story. but well see

He's not the zodiac. It's not a cipher. Sometimes words mean exactly what they mean.

 

[FranXico]

So it all comes down to people's definition of 'legacy' I guess..

I would assume it means if the series existed previously on that console then the series will continue to see titles.

I think even new entries in existing series will be locked out of playstation. It's even possible such games would even be released on switch. We've already seen such petty and spiteful exclusivity with the likes of Cuphead, wouldn't be surprised.
Besides, their most fanatical and toxic fans demand that.

 

[THEAP99]

Sony better fucking be on the phone with capcom or square enix right fucking now. No more diddly-dicking around wasting money on timed exclusives and porting games away while Microsoft continues to bolster the xbox value proposition.

 

[Bernkastel]

Hey FunkMiller , atleast live up to what you said.

You’re probably correct XBox fans. Bethesda games won’t be coming to Ps5.

You must be right, because your recent track record with predictions about things has been so spot o -

...oh.

 

[AJUMP23]

I shouldn't do it, because I barely use punctuation on here and never proofread a post: but I couldn't not do it.

What did you write about in your classes? Did the they teach you about the differences between right and wrong?

If only I read what I wrote I would write the right thing.

 

[cromofo]

Thank fuck now we can finally stop reading retarded shit and mental gymnastics about exclusivity. Thank you Phil for saving us the trouble!

 

[SLB1904]

They have no say in a game that will be developed by people who are paid by them for the next 3-5 years? lol

sigh. just think a little a bit of the implication.. these deals aren't made in pubs. unless ms signed a contract with the owner of the ip stating that the game will be developed exclusively for Xbox. no they have no say in that

 

[xion4360]

let's be honest here, phil could have straight up said all future bethesda games will be Xbox and PC only with the exception of deathloop/ghostwire tokyo...and there would still be people insisting he left it unclear.

To me it was pretty clear that they will not yank existing games from other platforms, they will release games for PS5 they already announced for PS5..but the entire reason for the purchase was to bring exclusive to the xbox ecosystem.

“For an Xbox customer the thing I want you to know is that this is about delivering great exclusive games for you…” how is that not clear.

 

[phil_t98]

New games won’t be on PlayStation that is 100% certain.

We need to wait the case by case of game that were already done contract before MS takes the management.... that was what Uncle Phil is saying the whole week including today.

I would hazard a guess, lets say less than 5 new games going forward. I would also add sequels prob wont happen on sony platform unless its in contract with some of the new games, games like doom wont see sequels on ps though

 

[THE DUCK]

Let's not be silly, of course there's no existing agreements for starfield this far out. To say so is just a fantasy.

 

[Gatox]

So it all comes down to people's definition of 'legacy' I guess..

I would assume it means if the series existed previously on that console then the series will continue to see titles.

Legacy support with regards to software and hardware means continuing support for current or old iterations, it has no connection whatsoever to future releases. He basically said they would support current games with patches, fixes etc and that's it. Just because doom was once on the PlayStation does not mean it will forever get new releases. It really is that simple.

 

[Banjo64]

Sony better fucking be on the phone with capcom or square enix right fucking now. No more diddly-dicking around wasting money on timed exclusives and porting games away while Microsoft continues to bolster the xbox value proposition.

 

[VeganElduderino]

Oh well! The only games i cared abouy was Doom and the Evil within, it won't make me buy a xbox

 

[FunkMiller]

Hey FunkMiller , atleast live up to what you said.

What I said before today’s round table when things were clarified more, you mean?

...Kind of a bit sad to go back through people’s old posts, don’t you think? Maybe get out more?

 

[Reality Czar]

Phil: "There are games on other platforms we will continue to support and invest in."

Yall: OMG DOOM TES XBOX EXCLUSIVE HE SAID IT CLEAR AS DAY!!!!@!@

 

[Outrunner]

There it is.

How long before GP on Playstation and Switch then?

Because of Bethesda? I think you guys overestimate the importance of Bethesda in the console world.

 

[Dabaus]

Your move sony. Abby DLC from last of us 2 aint gonna cut it.

 

[phil_t98]

Tbh capcom would be the one to get, resident evil is making a huge come back in the last few years after a bit of a lull and street fighter alone worth it

 

[ethomaz]

I would hazard a guess, lets say less than 5 new games going forward. I would also add sequels prob wont happen on sony platform unless its in contract with some of the new games, games like doom wont see sequels on ps though

I believe outside the game with a contract (?) unless it is a successful GaaS game (TES Online) it won't be released on PS.

Of course that could change if MS and Sony reach a deal to have GamePass on PlayStation... something I don't want but I have no power to take that decision.

 

[Aguero9320]

Now for the Xbox people who argued that exclusives are meaningless... WTF is Microsoft doing?

I don’t like exclusives and long for a world where I can just buy one system, but you have to fight the battle you’re engaged in sadly. I have all systems, but this is amusing because of the Sony fanboys who have made everything about exclusives and ‘wins’. It’s always nice to see a bully get punched in the mouth.

I do feel a little bad for nice people with PlayStations who just like to play games... But they’ll probably just buy an Xbox to play them and not treat it like some kind of holy war.

 

[Bigdrakegreenblood]

you can read it however you want... maybe English isn't your first language?

Here:

Great PR. Phil Spencer wouldn't mislead anyone lol

 

[NickFire]

let's be honest here, phil could have straight up said all future bethesda games will be Xbox and PC only with the exception of deathloop/ghostwire tokyo...and there would still be people insisting he left it unclear.

Actually, a statement like that would have been the clearest possible statement he could make, and would answer the question definitively. Perhaps he will clarify or expound on his comments to say just that.

 

[Gatox]

Let's not be silly, of course there's no existing agreements for starfield this far out. To say so is just a fantasy.

What agreement would there even be in the case of a multiplatform game? I can only see a signed agreement needed for an exclusive, timed or otherwise.

 

[phil_t98]

I believe unless it is a successful GaaS game (TES Online) it won't be released on PS.

With that already being released it likely wont get a sequel on ps but will still be serviced as it always was. That’s how i see it. Old titles could also get patches with the legacy thing to, or he could mean games like doom 3 VR as being a legacy title

 

[Raven117]

The only two that matter is Elder Scrolls and Fallout. (I love Arkane stuff, but they aren't huge names...sadly).

Hopefully, MS can spur Bethesda to put out more games. 10 years since the last Elder Scrolls is awhile. Plus, if Star Field isn't awesome (and we have absolutely ZERO idea whether Bethesda can put forth a new IP and have it be good), that studio is going to be weaker.

In any event. PC for me.

 

[THE DUCK]

Oh well! The only games i cared abouy was Doom and the Evil within, it won't make me buy a xbox

And the minimizing begins! Well done!
If you didn't care to begin with, why even read or post on the thread?

 

[Outrunner]

Actually, a statement like that would have been the clearest possible statement he could make, and would answer the question definitively. Perhaps he will clarify or expound on his comments to say just that.

Phil probably just doesn't want to admit that TES6 and Starfield won't be exclusive, since those games are in development a long time already and there are probably already contracts/promises made that can no longer be broken.

 

[ethomaz]

With that already being released it likely wont get a sequel on ps but will still be serviced as it always was. That’s how i see it. Old titles could also get patches with the legacy thing to, or he could mean games like doom 3 VR as being a legacy title

Doom 3 VR has a contract in place... so it will come to PSVR.

 

[LazyParrot]

Is it just me, or does this read like they're planning to release these games on Game Pass first before making them available to non-subscribers?

 

[phil_t98]

Doom 3 VR has a contract in place... so it will come to PSVR.

If you read what I said , that’s what they could mean by legacy games. Older games that are already on ps will get support or updates

Edit: I doubt there was a contract for that game.

 

[Bernkastel]

That’s as ‘cleat’ as mud.

More 'cleat' than you.

Haha haha!


As fully expected all Bethesda games will be released on PS5.


LITERALLY nothing has changed!


What a week. I’ll be playing Demon’s Souls, the first of many PS5 exclusive masterpieces, on Thursday.


And now Bethesda games are GUARANTEED on PS5.


Beautiful.

 

[ethomaz]

If you read what I said , that’s what they could mean by legacy games. Older games that are already on ps will get support or updates

Yeap I understood that but I believe Doom 3 VR is placed in the "contract" side and not "legacy games"."

"There's contractual obligations that we're going to see through as we always do in every one of these instances."

Doom 3 VR has a exclusive contract with Sony.

 

[Bigdrakegreenblood]

He didn't clarify shit. Lots of "grey" zones on what he said. If anything he confused people even more than before (like he always does).

It's Phil's middle name.

 

[Dabaus]

Sony better fucking be on the phone with capcom or square enix right fucking now. No more diddly-dicking around wasting money on timed exclusives and porting games away while Microsoft continues to bolster the xbox value proposition.

Youll get your Last of us 2 games as a service multiplayer nobody asked for and Abby DLC nobody ever asked for while Jim Ryan makes excuses and talks about organic growth. Sony was so cheap they let square soft, Atlus, and From Soft go for literally hundreds of millions of dollars, what makes you think sony is going to spend billions on them now? I think theyre in for a rough ride with their current leadership.

 

[JokerMM]

The fact that we may never see an elder scrolls game or a fallaut game on playstation ever again is so fucking crazy to me

 

[THE DUCK]

Phil probably just doesn't want to admit that TES6 and Starfield won't be exclusive, since those games are in development a long time already and there are probably already contracts/promises made that can no longer be broken.

I would be very surprised if Bethesda had already signed any sort of exclusivity deal for starfield so far out from launch. Most exclusivity deals are signed much closer to a finished product, for obvious reasons.

 

[VeganElduderino]

And the minimizing begins! Well done!
If you didn't care to begin with, why even read or post on the thread?

Cause why not !?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Legacy support with regards to software and hardware means continuing support for current or old iterations, it has no connection whatsoever to future releases. He basically said they would support current games with patches, fixes etc and that's it. Just because doom was once on the PlayStation does not mean it will forever get new releases. It really is that simple.

This.

Y'all need to stop with thinking "legacy" means because it existed on a platform once upon a time, it's going to keep getting all future releases.
It simply means they aren't going to abandon whatever exists atm if they still need updates/additions.

 

[SLB1904]

Sony will never allow GamePass on their consoles, so if you only own a PS4 or PS5, don't expect to play Starfield or ES6 in the next decade or ever. Meanwhile, I think there's a 50/50 chance Nintendo implements GamePass to Switch within the next 2 years, so we'll see.

if was old sony maybe. todays sony? what did they get to lose?

 

[phil_t98]

Doom 3 VR has a contract in place... so it will come to PSVR.

Yes it will come out but what makes you sure there is a contract? You seen it

 

[lefty1117]

I still think that after several years you'll see some of these games go over, after the main run of sales has completed. Think of it like Sony releasing games like Death Stranding or Horizon on PC, a year or two after. For them, the main incentive period to drive their own console sales from the game will be on the downswing, so then it's more of just a cash grab from a competitor. If there's a demand in a competitor's landscape, and you think your marketing efforts to pull people over have run their course for a title, why wouldn't you release a version there a couple years later? I'll add that this seems to be Nadella's pattern since he took over MS - by that I mean he seems to be more about getting MS stuff on as many platforms as possible, rather than trying to force everybody to buy Windows. And yet, if you buy it on Windows, that's where the "best experience" will be.

Still though, it's undeniable that xbox will have a stronger pull for people now. It's a good counter for them against Sony's exclusives approach.

 

[Fredrik]

Good. Finally MS has been reading the room. This is going to be awesome for the Xbox and PC platform

 

[cromofo]

Anyone still thinking Starfield/Fallout/TES are coming to the Playstation after what's been said is seriously nearing retard status.

 

[Aguero9320]

Still though, it's undeniable that xbox will have a stronger pull for people now. It's a good counter for them against Sony's exclusives approach.

This is NeoGAF. Literally nothing is undeniable.

 

[HellforLeather]

I’m going to ask this again. What would the agreement say? As far as I am aware multiplat titles without exclusivity do not have ‘agreements’ - because there is nothing to be agreed upon

Honestly, I have no idea but wouldnt there have to be something? Preorder stuff that is exclusive to consoles and shit need to be created so I guess its reasonable to think that there might be some kind of agreement potentially years before? But again, I have no idea. I wish they would just release a chart saying which games would still be multiplat and which ones going forward will be exclusive.