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[asustitan]

Playing on a LG CX with hdmi 2.1 and OMG do the games that support 120fps mode suck ass.... it’s not constant 120fps it’s up to 120...more like averaging 80fps.

this is so disappointing that they can’t even find setttings on console for this framerate.

Force it to 1440p instead

Untick 'Allow 4K' in advanced options and select 1440p as your resolution.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Big drops are more noticeable than smaller ones... so 120 to 80 is a bit more noticeable than 60 to 30.

what are you smoking?

with gsync high framerates fluctuating is barely noticeable

60 to 30 is night and day

 

[The Hamburglar]

Enjoy these few 120fps games as the gen goes on and games get more demanding the 120fp will be getting dropped fast.

 

[FritzJ92]

I’m shocked you can even tell.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

It’s the same on any console. Why just talk about xbox?

Oh, don't be so bitter, Mich!

 

[OverHeat]

Thinking that playing at higher framerate on PC spoiled me.

 

[Inviusx]

Im the kind of person who is usually a "framerate over everything" guy but I tried the Dirt 5 120hz mode and couldn't stomach the massive hit to both visuals and resolution.

IMHO 1080p at 120hz is not next gen and the jump from 60 to 120 isn't even close to the jump from 30 to 60.

Forget about 120hz until the PS5 Pro or Series Z.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Play ori the will of the wisps, gears 5 pvp, rainbow six siege
Why would that make a difference? This isn't a PC.

Seriously? PC or console pushing native 4K you will never achieve 120fps. The hardware isn’t powerful enough. Something always has to give. You want higher resolution? Your FPS go lower. Want more performance? Lose some resolution. This isn’t exactly rocket science.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

I got a CX and the Series X. It’s smooth as butter. What are your settings?

I have a GX and a series X. It’s also smooth as butter but I’m not naive enough to believe my 12 TF console can run games at native 4K AND 120FPS when my 2080ti can’t.

 

[asustitan]

Im the kind of person who is usually a "framerate over everything" guy but I tried the Dirt 5 120hz mode and couldn't stomach the massive hit to both visuals and resolution.

IMHO 1080p at 120hz is not next gen and the jump from 60 to 120 isn't even close to the jump from 30 to 60.

Forget about 120hz until the PS5 Pro or Series Z.

1440p is a good compromise. And you can force it like I mentioned in my previous post.

 

[ethomaz]

what are you smoking?

with gsync high framerates fluctuating is barely noticeable

60 to 30 is night and day

That is completely off my point.

 

[BennyBlanco]

That is completely off my point.

120 fps -> 80 fps is not nearly as noticeable as 60 fps -> 30 fps

 

[ethomaz]

120 fps -> 80 fps is not nearly as noticeable as 60 fps -> 30 fps

It is more noticeable... if you are playing a game in 120fps and it drops to 80fps the sensation of slow down is bit more than 60fps dropping to 30fps.

 

[papersleeves]

It is more noticeable... if you are playing a game in 120fps and it drops to 80fps the sensation of slow down is bit more than 60fps dropping to 30fps.

You are out of your mind if you believe that is the case, especially if VRR is active.

 

[ethomaz]

You are out of your mind if you believe that is the case, especially if VRR is active.

C’mon if you have VRR you don’t feel the shutter lol
It is like the other guy talking about GSync lol

Play a game in 120fps and after lock the framerate in 80fps... do the same with 60fps and 30fps... you will understand what I’m talking about.

In both case you will fell the lower framerate as playing in slowdown but the 80fps will feel even slower.

 

[BennyBlanco]

It is more noticeable... if you are playing a game in 120fps and it drops to 80fps the sensation of slow down is bit more than 60fps dropping to 30fps.

Something tells me you’ve never played a game at these framerates because this is so obviously wrong to anyone who has

 

[skneogaf]

Which game/games are 80 fps on xbox series x?

Also how did you test the fps?

Does the LG cx have the fps on the information button, I think I saw that it does on HDTVTest but not quite sure.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Which game/games are 80 fps on xbox series x?

Also how did you test the fps?

Does the LG cx have the fps on the information button, I think I saw that it does on HDTVTest but not quite sure.

ya it does

 

[Can't decide]

Play a game in 120fps and after lock the framerate in 80fps... do the same with 60fps and 30fps... you will understand what I’m talking about.

In both case you will fell the lower framerate as playing in slowdown but the 80fps will feel even slower.

I've already expressed how you are completely wrong on this. Have you even tried it yourself because it doesn't sound like you're talking from experience?

I'd rather have any game bouncing around the 80-100fps territory on a 120fps screen and I don't even have VRR on my TV. If the game has motion blur and TAA then any stuttering is even less noticeable. 30fps is a slideshow, 80fps is not.

 

[papersleeves]

I've already expressed how you are completely wrong on this. Have you even tried it yourself because it doesn't sound like you're talking from experience?

I'd rather have any game bouncing around the 80-100fps territory on a 120fps screen and I don't even have VRR on my TV. If the game has motion blur and TAA then any stuttering is even less noticeable. 30fps is a slideshow, 80fps is not.

I mostly agree with what you say, but dat hyperbole lol You need to tone that stuff down a notch

 

[Can't decide]

I mostly agree with what you say, but dat hyperbole lol You need to tone that stuff down a notch

I wouldn't say it's hyperbole. Gaming at 30fps truly looks and feels awful when you've been used to playing north of 100fps for the last half a decade. At 30 I see every individual frame jumping each time the camera pans or something whizzes across the screen as opposed to smooth motion, the sensation is horrible to me.

 

[Andodalf]

I wouldn't say it's hyperbole. Gaming at 30fps truly looks and feels awful when you've been used to playing north of 100fps for the last half a decade. At 30 I see every individual frame jumping each time the camera pans or something whizzes across the screen as opposed to smooth motion, the sensation is horrible to me.

Yeah, I've been trying to play Uncharted lost legacy, and it's just brutal after playing games in HFR/VRR on XSX

 

[ethomaz]

I've already expressed how you are completely wrong on this. Have you even tried it yourself because it doesn't sound like you're talking from experience?

I'd rather have any game bouncing around the 80-100fps territory on a 120fps screen and I don't even have VRR on my TV. If the game has motion blur and TAA then any stuttering is even less noticeable. 30fps is a slideshow, 80fps is not.

Drop from 100 to 80 is less perceptible than 60 to 30... 120 to 80 is still more perceptible than both.

Any framerate drop will give you the sensation of the slowdown... play the game in 120fps for 30 minutes and after lock the framerate in 80fps... you will find the 80fps a slideshow until you get used to it... it is even more evident than playing in 60fps and 30fps after.

BTW if you play the game always in the same framerate you will never get the feel of slideshow even in 30fps.

I already tested all these types of framerates... that is why gameplay in one framerate and cutscenes in another feels so off.

Like I said it is easy to anybody test... play 30min in 120fps and after change to 80fps... you will have the sensation to be playing a slideshow... eventually you will get used to the new framrate... same for changes to higher framrate that gives the sensation of fast forward.

 

[papersleeves]

I wouldn't say it's hyperbole. Gaming at 30fps truly looks and feels awful when you've been used to playing north of 100fps for the last half a decade. At 30 I see every individual frame jumping each time the camera pans or something whizzes across the screen as opposed to smooth motion, the sensation is horrible to me.

There you go. Great explanation of your sentiment on the subject, rather than the usual "slideshow" hyperbole.

I mean I enjoy playing far more at 60 fps (120+ fps even more so) than I do at 30 fps. I just believe that 30 fps is fine if you have no other choice. There are so many games stuck on consoles that run at 30 fps and I never had any issue playing them even though I have a taste of 240hz whenever I game on my laptop.

Still, can't argue how you feel about it. That's your take. It's alright. I just hate the freaking "slideshow" hyperbole because it factually isn't, simple as that.

 

[Godfavor]

ya it does

How? When I press the green button on the tv controller of my GX 7 times it shows the millisecond latency of VRR.

 

[Shmunter]

I see 120 sucking as a benefit. Would rather a gen pushing fidelity at 60, than trying to accomodate 120 and watering things down to achieve it.

 

[The_Mike]

120 fps -> 80 fps is not nearly as noticeable as 60 fps -> 30 fps

Then you haven't tried 120+ fps.

With an avg of 144 fps and g sync on i can literally see 60 fps stutter.

 

[Riky]

Did you tried to turn VRR on?


Big drops are more noticeable than smaller ones... so 120 to 80 is a bit more noticeable than 60 to 30.

Absolute rubbish.

Even the frame timing being reduced to 8.3ms will help massively with juddering etc compared to going from 16.6 to 33.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Did you tried to turn VRR on?


Big drops are more noticeable than smaller ones... so 120 to 80 is a bit more noticeable than 60 to 30.

Both are bad btw... you having an average +-5fps will give you a better experience... like 45-50fps.... of course constant framerate is the best.

The ethomaz hot takes are getting hotter every day.

 

[PropellerEar]

Fuck all this settings tweaking on consoles.

Have enough of that on PC.

I guess that with pro/refresh consoles being a thing now we will get even more of this

 

[PropellerEar]

The ethomaz hot takes are getting hotter every day.

He shouldn't have called Riky mode VRR?

 

[martino]

120 to 80 more noticeable than 30 to 60 ?

 

[Black_Stride]

Big drops are more noticeable than smaller ones... so 120 to 80 is a bit more noticeable than 60 to 30.

This is completely false.

60 to 30 will kill you.
120 to 80 without freesync will irk you in fastpaced games
Everything above 90 - 144 regardless of jump with freesync wont be noticeable.

30fps = 33.3ms
60fps = 16.7ms

Frametime difference = 16.6ms aka death.

80fps = 12.5ms
120fps = 8.3ms

Frametime difference = 4.2ms barely noticeable cept in accuracy of motion dependent situations.

100fps = 10ms
120fps = 8.3

Frametime difference = youd need to be an F1 driver to notice the difference.

For those sensitive to sub 5ms frametime changes at 120fps, set your display to 120, 100, 80, 60 and 30hz and do this benchmark:

Human Benchmark

humanbenchmark.com

Human Benchmark

humanbenchmark.com

Lets see just how sensitive you are at ~90Hz

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Didn't last gen have issues trying to get games running at 60 for the most part?

 

[v_iHuGi]

Call of Duty on Ps5 is very close or locked 120fps but 120fps is hard to achieve, remember to activate VRR* so you won't notice drops as much.

Still 60fps is just perfect no need for 120fps.

*VRR is not available on Ps5 yet.

 

[portuga]

ya it does

how do I enable this? I was trying to find FPS information on screen but didn't find it

 

[ethomaz]

This is completely false.

60 to 30 will kill you.
120 to 80 without freesync will irk you in fastpaced games
Everything above 90 - 144 regardless of jump with freesync wont be noticeable.

30fps = 33.3ms
60fps = 16.7ms

Frametime difference = 16.6ms aka death.

80fps = 12.5ms
120fps = 8.3ms

Frametime difference = 4.2ms barely noticeable cept in accuracy of motion dependent situations.

100fps = 10ms
120fps = 8.3

Frametime difference = youd need to be an F1 driver to notice the difference.

For those sensitive to sub 5ms frametime changes at 120fps, set your display to 120, 100, 80, 60 and 30hz and do this benchmark:

Human Benchmark

humanbenchmark.com

Human Benchmark

humanbenchmark.com

Lets see just how sensitive you are at ~90Hz

This link measures reaction time... that is unrelated to what I’m talking about.

Did you ever played different framrate after your eyes get used? Try playing in 120fps for some minutes and after lock the framerate in 80fps... you instantaneously will feel the is in slow motion.... the opposite too play a game for 20 minutes in 80fps and change for 120fps it will feel like fast-foward.

That happens until your eyes get used to the new framerate.... that take some minutes.

Consoles players with 60Hz display can try the test with different games... first play one for several minutes in 60fps and after shift to a 30fps game... it will feel again like slow monitor for few minutes (depend how much time your eyes adapt to it).

If you even shift between different framerate games in your play session you will understand what I’m talking about.

The shift from 120fps to 80fps is more noticeable than the shift from 60fps to 30fps.

Well even games with the same framerate where one has issues with framepace gives you that experience... I used to play Bloodborne and Destiny at same time, both 30fps but due the framerate issue with Bloodborne every time I shifted from it to Destiny I feel Destiny was in fast-forward.... that take some minutes to adapt and back to normal.

That happens even with 240fps or higher framrates.... it is the difference in framrates that create that sensation of slow-motion or fast-forward in games and not the reaction time.

The eyes will get uses for any framerate after some minutes.

I made a lot of test in the past because I was curious including the fact if you take some time before jump in the game you won’t have the same slow/fast sensation... for example if I play Bloodborne now and Destiny only after a few hour I won’t find Destiny being fast-forward.

BTW I believe it is a similar thing that happens when you go from a lighter room to a dark one... at first you seems to not see anything in the dark room until your eyes get used and you start to see everything in the room.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

The shift from 120fps to 80fps is more noticeable than the shift from 60fps to 30fps.

 

[Cyborg]

VRR is your friend haha

 

[DemonCleaner]

people need to start thinking in frametimes and not fps.

 

[Akuji]

All this talk if it is noticeable and I know I feel the drop in league of legends from 350+FPS to 180fps while playing on a 144hz monitor.

this topic is very complicated.

 

[AudioSlave92210]

Rainbow six siege is a solid 120 fps on ps5 and I think it’s the same on serie X.

 

[noise36]

This thread is insane.

Complaining about "only 80fps" on a console???? lololol

 

[OverHeat]

This thread is insane.

Complaining about "only 80fps" on a console???? lololol

Don’t say 120fps mode then just write unlock framerate.

 

[ZywyPL]

Playing on a LG CX with hdmi 2.1 and OMG do the games that support 120fps mode suck ass.... it’s not constant 120fps it’s up to 120...more like averaging 80fps.

this is so disappointing that they can’t even find setttings on console for this framerate.

Do yourself a favor and switch to Freesync instead of VRR. Dunno why but VRR doesn't work as intended, maybe on minor dips like 5-10FPS below 120 it does the job, but other than that it's nowhere near as smooth as FS, which is especially noticeable in 60FPS titles, it's a night and day difference. And the addition of LFC makes 30FPS titles so much more tolerable (unless you don't mind such low famerates). You lose Dolby Vision this way, but then again, how many games have it? How many have any type of HDR to begin with. And even if, better colors won't make the gameplay experience any better.

 

[K' Dash]

OP is what room temperature IQ looks like folks.

If you want constant 120fps without dips you should have gone PC, no $500 hardware is going to do it.

 

[Bamihap]

If your TV can do 120hz at 4k, it can probably do VRR. Problem solved.

I've got a LG77cx and VRR makes it irrelevant if the framerate if 110, 120, or 90. If the framerate doesn't fluctuate heavily, it's smooth. And >60fps is good by me.

 

[metareferential]

Well, 80 to 120 fps on a vrr display is infinitely better than 60 anyway.

Shut up OP and get a pc.

 

[OverHeat]

Well, 80 to 120 fps on a vrr display is infinitely better than 60 anyway.

Shut up OP and get a pc.

Got a 10900kf and a 3090 I think I’m good...

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Playing on a LG CX with hdmi 2.1 and OMG do the games that support 120fps mode suck ass.... it’s not constant 120fps it’s up to 120...more like averaging 80fps.

this is so disappointing that they can’t even find setttings on console for this framerate.

Behave now, you have a fucking beastly PC and still own an XSX? I know we like to change stances in sex, but this is like going from doggy on bed to doggy on floor.