3liteDragon
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Regarding the Bethesda deal and exclusivity.
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ethomaz
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March 2021.
ethomaz
Banned
There is nothing in these tweets... btw they are fanboys not insiders.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
More fanboys yes but you would be surprised how much interaction goes on with Xbox execs and these types.
Still not saying they really know anything just saying I know these guys talk to Xbox people like Phil and Mike (when he was there) and even game with them from time to time.
Bethesda games being exclusive to Xbox wouldn’t creat any kind of momentum since their games were already on Xbox. All MS did was remove PS from getting those games. It would be artificial momentum if anything. People getting excited for games that Xbox would get anyway even if MS didn’t purchase Bethesda. The only reason fanboys would be really happy is they get to say the games are exclusive.
That’s why I prefer Sony’s approach to studios growing organically. Look how many new IP’s we got since they started building their studios in the 7th generation.
MS has nothing to do with any of Bethesda’s games being created or successful. They just own them now.
That’s why I prefer Sony’s approach to studios growing organically. Look how many new IP’s we got since they started building their studios in the 7th generation.
MS has nothing to do with any of Bethesda’s games being created or successful. They just own them now.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Slower is pushing it, but if you had a PC you could have noticed that in existing games as soon as you have an SSD (decent SATA III or nvme) the load times are pretty much the same, which means that the bottleneck is elsewhere, most likely the CPU has some heavy lifting to do.
It's been known for a long time that software in general would have to be rewritten to take full advantage of SSD drives, just like you need new software for 64-bits, Multi CPUs, compute shaders, etc. The faster transfer and access times have some inherent benefits, but by streamlining the rest of the data transfers to reduce stress on other components you could get much more in real-life scenarios.
abel empire
Banned
Codemasters. For one there was a big technology theft from codemasters to playground games, hence why dirt 5 looks worse than Colin McRae dirt 2/ grid 2.. and at the same time for a horizon games have looked very similar to grid 2 and dirt 2...
Ms money bought those creative guys in codemasters the same way they are currently buying from naughty dog and so on.abel empire
Banned
I don't support this new studio buying trend but if doom and fallout are funded in millions by Microsoft and infinite pockets and comeback out looking like cgi and remain exclusive to Xbox/pc then it's a big loss to Sony.
But it might be better that way cause I don't think spencer will allow those games to look better on ps5 than they will on Xbox he even hinted this and Sony won't allow another's cyberpunk on their console or you can look on the bright side and Sony might be forced to fund More money into existing franchises like killzone to rival doom and all gamers win then.
IllegalLemon
Member
I don’t think we should give these fanboys any attention. TimDog is a hardcore fanboy that lacks the logic and braincells required to make any coherent argument that is within reason and Klobrille was called many times for being this pretentious type that likes being cryptic for the sake of engaging more people in his nonsensical, non insider tweets. Both aren’t anything to write home about , just your typical fanboy types that seek confirmation bias.
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Zheph
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Not a good look for the execs but its known, especially Greenberg
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
This is not what's being argued. The context of the discussion you're responding to is the claim that a DLSS-like resolution upscaler can also be developed to improve asset fidelity in the same single inference pass, where the only input to the ML model is a 2D image.
I'm arguing it's not likely to be practical at any acceptable quality level, even using generative networks (like were shown in the video posted).
What you're arguing is tangential to the discussion, as no-one is arguing or even discussing whether or not AI, DL or neural networks will have a future in games. Of course they are and will, but it's not relevant to what's being discussed.
ToadMan
Member
Maybe all that MS money can make a Bethesda game look as good as Halo infinite one day...
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
And yet in those tweets he makes more sense than some gaffers here.Only in those shown tweets though, most of the time he is just insuferable.
abel empire
Banned
Another thing people fail to see where ps5 ssd's speed advantage shows is during gameplay... even on games that load similar on series console s and ps5, the ps5 still shows an edge in asset streaming.
We've see no this in dirt 5 the textures on Xbox have some delay, also on control the Xbox has trouble during asset streaming and shows when the frame rates drop/ stutter during streaming even on cyberpunk,
A loading screen isn't one thing, there's more to loading a level than just ssd throughput there's cpu tasks aswell like preparing the game world in things like ai, physics, overall logic. What makes the ps5s ssd isn't loading screens it's asset streaming and This is why They invested so much into it and why dev call it the most revolutionary console in since 3d, cause the ssd on ps5 Is essentially a huge amount of memory. Well see this in exclusive games mostly and that's the big let down.
FrankWza
Member
Try explaining the difference. Because all I ever read is it’s going to be exactly the same as a developed IP. You’ll get the usual “why isn’t halo on Ps5 or GoW on Nintendo?” There are games that are synonymous with their systems and it will take a gen or 2 for an existing IP from the zeni deal to reach that status. Not to mention the very real difference that this would be KEEPING games multiplat, not MAKING them multiplat.
But I disagree on the momentum part. If they keep these games multiplat they’ll end up in the negative momentum area. They have so much riding on making these games exclusives from a consumer expectation and confidence standpoint it would be ugly if they didn’t.
mejin
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skit_data
Member
Nice, i was waiting with my NG+ run, since i read it was gonna get a next gen patch
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Tbf, they're both essentially saying that they're hesitant to believe all Bethesda games will be exclusive to Xbox.
Given they're some of the most delusional fanboys and platform warriors for Xbox on the internet, I'd say their hesitation speaks volumes.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
MS already said that they need the deal to be completely finalized before they can talk more about the deal.
Gears and Halo have both always been console exclusives for Xbox so I don’t see why people would think the same would not be the case for Bethesda games.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Because Gear and Halo are developed by wholly owned studios under MGS.
Bethesda is a pre-existing multiplatform publisher whose company value is closely tied to the revenue it generates publishing games on non-Xbox platforms. So far there's no evidence the corporate setup of Bethesda will change under MS, rather the whole company will simply become a wholly owned subsidiary.
The expectation would be different if MS only bought the studios owned by Bethesda. They didn't though.
Money can’t creat talent. Bethesda isn’t known for anything graphics related. Fallout 3 and 4 are pretty average when it comes to that stuff. Don’t see how more money will change that. They still use the same creation engine too. Doom is already a looker. But games outside Fallout and Elder Scrolls don’t exactly light up the charts. I think Sony will be fine, they have their own big games. None of this is in the immediate future anyway especially in regards to ES and Fallout.
IllegalLemon
Member
Only in those very rare tweets does either of these make sense. That’s something I do agree on. You should’ve seen how he was before he was banned from this thread. Absolutely obnoxious.
Physiognomonics
Member
Of course. When they talked about some kind of advantage for the Xbox version it was already decided. Those games, like Minecraft before, will still be multiplat. It's just business (money).
MatrixReloaded101
Member
That make sense^
But they have game pass and xcloud now, which will most likely cause Xbox games to be playable on Smart TVs, smart phones and of course PC.
So they would just be losing money from Sony consoles which would not be a big blow since MS is now backing them and we all know MS is a very wealthy company.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Could not agree more. The astronaut scene was well done and touching.
abel empire
Banned
Halo infinite is a weird one although I havent been a fan on 343 for a while I think they where trying to achieve too much by supporting everything from Xbox one to series to pc and theyve never been that good, but I can't lie it's a cultural trend in most Microsoft bought studios. They seem to just spend the cash and produce mediocre games. I mean they invested 400$ million on infinite and that's what we got. But let's wait n seeMaybe all that MS money can make a Bethesda game look as good as Halo infinite one day...
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yeah I remember one time when he was bragging about harrassing and dissuading from buying a ps3 at a store.... I don't think I need to add anything.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How was this game, is it really as good as those scores say they are as a Souls like clone?
abel empire
Banned
Money cant create talent but it can buy it. They've shown this with forza horizon, they basically bought a lot of creative people from codemasters to join playground games and its why forza horizon games look good while codemasters games haven't just look at dirt 5.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Which is why they should have not blown the announcement load so early. The announcement should have came when the deal was done, like it usually is.
skit_data
Member
Well, its not as good as the originals but i think this is as close as anyone has come yet. It has some unique mechanics that are fun. Its a little too short and somewhat limited, you cant really do builds for example, but I was pretty impressed considering the studio consists of four people.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
thats a good point. There is also Doom and Fallout. Those are huge franchises themselves. If it was just one studio, one game, one franchise, it would be far easier to justify making it exclusive to get people to buy an xbox, but an entire publishing unit with dozens of IPs and games is far more trickier to write off so to speak.
I still think they should. Cyberpunk sold over 60% of its copies on PC. Bethesda is a PC centric studio. I think they will make their money back and then some on PC alone.
ToadMan
Member
History is littered with examples of cash being wasted through misinvestment. Having a pot of cash doesn’t automatically reap rewards if the business doesn’t fit and doesn’t generate the returns.
That was really my point about H:I and Craig.
Money doesn’t make quality (in fact sometimes it hinders it through bloated teams).
ethomaz
Banned
I will just disagree with the last part.
You need money to reach high quality... it just how do you use the money in your project that can lead to low or high quality results.
Halo Infinite and i343 case is not related to money... the opposite it is probably misdirection and lack of talent/experience for big/huge AAA projects.
Don't take the "lack of talent/experiencce" too literal... most i343 guys should be high awarded in a mid/small project but when it comes to AAA with big $$$ they lack what you need to make it happen.
The environment, pressure and relationship between coworkers in a project of the size of Halo Infinite is not to everybody... the good news is that a lot of i343 employees will cross these issues and become more experienced for future big projects.
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carloseduardocd
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X-Men vs Street Fighter remaster, to finally catch Saturn version.
There is no doubt about either statement. MS will release everything on PC at the same time. Sony will release some games from PS4 on PC, in my opinion that's all there is to it. I just find odd that usually that user in particular makes balanced posts to either side and even grind MS fans on some of the faceoff threads. As soon as the man says something about Sony which is not positive, it was like a pack of rabid dogs. Holly shit.
DarkMage619
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Fair enough its just not anywhere near twice as fast for games on both platforms. It isn't unreasonable to think the SSD to be a clear difference when its clear that 2 TF of compute power wouldn't be that big of a deal. I thought the Xbox and PS5 had the same CPU. The GPU was the major difference I saw. Plus again the IO is the PS5s strength built to 'remove all bottlenecks'. It's not like Xbox games have velocity architecture working either. It's just interesting.
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LiquidRex
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Elog
Member
Doesn't that come across as if something of importance actually will be presented?
Bladed Thesis
Member
Where is the State of Play hype thread slash predictions slash chat?
Elog
Member
The key difference between the two platforms - as it has been presented - has yet to be shown and that is not peak data transfer speed but latency (very low on the PS5) in pushing multiple small files to the RAM pool i.e. high resolution textures, on demand. Will be very interesting to see how low they have pushed the latency to enable significant amounts of 4k+ textures to be used in scenes.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Based on the conversation yesterday looks like some mistakes were made about the XSS version of Outriders. Glad to see that it's running games perhaps even 'above' what was advertised? Feel free to make any jokes now.
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LiquidRex
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We need a hype train.... Come on people.
Lysandros
Member
I think that Sony managed the expectations poorly in this regard. In Road to PS5 Cerny made the process (optimal SSD-I/O implementation and usage) sound as more automatic and efortless than it really was (without any first/third party distinction of course). This paved the way to the somewhat lukewarm reception of today.
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MatrixReloaded101
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They wanted to create buzz for the Series S/X before launch. That’s why they mentioned it so early.
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