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Coalition Helping with Halo Infinite
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clarky
Gold Member
How many there would you bang? I'm counting 2, and I'd have to delay those for a year for some polish.hope he is not too tough on these angels
Riky
$MSFT
Agree and The Coalition can do graphical showcases, Gears 5 looks incredible from the Series X down to the One S.
Negotiator101
Member
First and foremost we've seen 8 mins of footage, far too little to call 343i incompetent I feel.
Secondly by taking all the information we know, infinite is a very ambitious game and has taken longer than expected. Having other teams help with big AAA titles is certainly not out of the ordinary. Let's wait and see what 343i have created when it's actually finished.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Strongly beg to differ. They made the biggest addition to the Halo sandbox in years, and those watchers added an amazing element. Also, HIT DETECTION! I hated how in some past Halo games I couldn't properly tell whether I was hitting shit or not, Halo 4 fixed that by that indicator that showed when you hit on crosshair. Basic game design, and it made a huge difference for me. Superior sound design, playing against prometheans felt amazing, and it forced me to take a more aggressive style and to switch between weapons to finish the job due to their abilities. Linear doesn't mean worse. I really think people are missing how well some scenes set the mood and atmosphere in that game. I wouldn't change that linear crash site for a thing at the start of the game, I wouldn't change that linear ship for anything, I wouldn't change that more linear composer mission on that moon for anything, I wouldn't change that badass space, zero g battle on the forward unto dawn for a thing, I wouldn't change that longsword chase for a thing. I wouldn't change that last level where cortana split apart and was dynamically generating hard light shild land points for the chief for anything. How about the scene where you wanted cortana to takeover the guns to back you up, and shit took forever, and then she finally got it, and you started getting backup? Halo 4 is a total tour de force of amazing game design imo.
They took away some of the freedom of Reach and Halo 3, but produced much better feeling encounters and better game design that felt more structured and well designed. I was more able to believe the world.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Yep, this can be a lesson for Xbox first parties. Don't take on all the weight on themselves when they may not have to. There are more than ample resources from other teams to assist with a project.
II_JumPeR_I
Member
Good joke
Mr.ODST
Member
People forget this, from a Halo gameplay perspective it looks good and interesting, mixing some things up.
Aethsteticly I see where they are going to make it look like old school halo but it didn't pay off, I want them to keep the artstyle just need to upgrade the textures and certain things around the world to make it bang, exactly like those trailers!
People just like to shit on 343 because they are an Xbox studio, 4 had a brilliant campaign while 5 had a great MP that felt good.
Team Andromeda
Member
Halo V was a nice enough game just I didn't like switching between the characters and the focused Co-Op even in the single player mode, the online multiplayer was an amazing mind.
It's like calling Killzone 4 a crap game, it wasn't brilliant but hardly terrible.
Concern
Member
And you think it looking like an Xbox one game is good? Its not. The quality of Halo 4 and 5 regardless of what you think of those games. Is not the same as what we saw with infinite or mcc.
The Coalition isn't the only other dev helping these incompetent diverse idiots out. They're basically cashing checks for virtue signaling.
Tiamat2san
Member
The coalition are technical wizards, hope they will influence halo infinite but I doubt it, I think it’s only reinforcement to polish the game.
Stare-Bear
Banned
Too many cooks...
I do wonder, how much revamping work can you realistically do in a year? Well, less than a year now.
I do wonder, how much revamping work can you realistically do in a year? Well, less than a year now.
Team Andromeda
Member
Looking like One X game isn't that bad, more so if running at a locked 60 FPS at Native 4K, but its the gameplay that counts.
Also, I think you need to understand that having other studios come in and help is what happens to a lot of games for all sorts of reasons.
Not that I feel there's any point in trying to have a debate with you over the Xbox or Halo
mxbison
Member
I'm not a Halo fan, but really interested to see the outcome of this.
Delaying your huge console launch exclusive like that must mean it was in a pretty disastrous state. It's usually hard to "save" a big project that has been in development for so long, I hope they can pull it off.
Delaying your huge console launch exclusive like that must mean it was in a pretty disastrous state. It's usually hard to "save" a big project that has been in development for so long, I hope they can pull it off.
Elog
Member
I must say that I do not get the 'Halo 5 MP' was/is amazing. I completely agree that it is the best part of Halo 5 (that is a poor product as such) but I found it to be very lacking compared to competition in terms of MP with poor controls (floaty, deadline-like issues etc).
Negotiator101
Member
Going off topic slightly here but stumbled across this article about the Arbitor,https://www.escapistmagazine.com/v2...-halo-casting-a-heavy-shadow-on-future-games/
It got me thinking, how likely is he to be a part of Infinite? I know Halo books have been used to setup in some ways the later games, is there anything in the latest that could shed some light on Infinite?
It got me thinking, how likely is he to be a part of Infinite? I know Halo books have been used to setup in some ways the later games, is there anything in the latest that could shed some light on Infinite?
Papacheeks
Banned
Technical wizards......with Unreal. 343 has their own engine which from what we've heard has been the biggest hurdle in development. If Coalition is coming in to do engine optimization, I suppose that makes sense. But doing it now shows that they have lots of issues and that they can not get a engine that has some dna in a older engine to run on 12tf machine.
Hope it is just engine stuff mainly and everything else is going as planned. If they are being used for development and testing the game, then to me it shines a light on issues still with how 343 is managed. 750 employee's and not all of them are working on games? Little weird.
I'm a bit puzzled that you are that triggered by diverstity and have Barack Obama as your profile picture. A lot of people called him a diversity candidate and a media product when he first came up, of course before even giving him a chance to prove otherwise.
Negotiator101
Member
What does this mean? DNA in an older engine? They are using a brand new graphics engine, it's not the old Bungie Halo engine.
Concern
Member
My avatar nor politics have nothing to do with this. Get a better argument or stop derailing.
It does not look like an Xbox 1 X. That shit looked nowhere near as good as Gears 5.
But obviously with those tinted glasses and implying im some PS fanboy, there's no point in continuing this debate lol.
Papacheeks
Banned
From my understanding is has base code from older engine use for Halo 4-5. But everything else like lighting, physx is all new from ground up.
Negotiator101
Member
Who told you this?
ozz ex machina
Member
Where are you pulling this from? Think you'll need to provide a source for something like this.
Kamina
Golden Boy
lots of “Danger-hair”hope he is not too tough on these angels
Papacheeks
Banned
Google is your friend: https://www.halopedia.org/Slipspace_Engine
Around the release of Halo 5: Guardians the engine was secretly worked on, and took several years to develop. The Slipspace Engine demo at E3 2018 was the culmination of the ten-years of work.[1] While the engine is largely new, remnants of the old Blam! engine remain.[2]
Link with timestamp should work.
But yea, it's been known for a while now that Bam! was used for halo 4, halo 5 and 343 was modifying it, then rebuilt parts of the engine like lighting, materials, physics shit like that. But base code is from a older engine which I've heard from what Jason Schrier reported on that it was the biggest issue in development, hence rumors that the demo wasn't from an internal build of the game but from contracted group who was working with 343.
It makes sense to get engine people from Coalition to help do engine optimization, since thats the main issue they were having.
VN1X
Banned
I imagine the fairer sex would say the same if you showed the equivalent of a NeoGAF group shot.
Because obviously projects never failed before people cared about diversity. (See: development hell).
Reindeer
Member
Initiative? What you on about? This article is about Coalition.I don't think you did. How is The Initiative "one of Xbox's best studios" when they haven't even released a game yet?
Concern
Member
Obviously the quality of Halo 4 and 5 wasn't shit like mcc and what we saw of infinite. Although they weren't great halo games, they were solid games.
Reindeer
Member
Nice way of cherry picking there, only mentioning the good bits about 4 and 5. What about Halo 4 having atrocious multiplayer and Halo 5 having terrible single player? Why don't you wanna talk about that? All you got with 343 was half games, but you only seem to like the good halves. Btw, Halo 4 didn't have best campaign in the series, at the the time it was heavily criticized by fans. Halo 2 and 3 still have the best campaign according to fans and critics alike.
"Making you BELIEVE you were Master Chief"... Did you get that from IGN or something? Lol
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Topher
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Team Andromeda
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No, you're worse than a fanboy and just a troll. BYE
MCC was assembled by a huge number of studios, and Halo Infinite hasn't been released yet. But my point is that poor or chaotic project management is normal for video game studios, especially when they are trying to scale up in scope. Just look at what happened to CDPR with Cyberpunk. Both Halo 1 and Halo 2 were in some form of development hell, and on Halo 2 they had to cut half the game's levels *and* the ending, and stitch what they had together during a year of crunch so bad it almost broke the entire team.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
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Concern
Member
Mcc assembled by a huge number of studios and Infinite seemingly following in its footsteps doesn't exactly look promising is my point. Couple that with how hard they hyped up the gameplay showcase we saw, it seems they are out of touch with what actually is graphically impressive.
michaelius
Banned
The irony of ridiculing diversity at 343 while having a Barack Obama avatar wasn't lost on me. Maybe just think of him next time you baselessly discredit female hires at game companies as "diversity outreach".
Concern
Member
Negotiator101
Member
Thanks for that, it seems its more of keeping with the Halo feel as opposed to the graphics. Did go on further to say if someone who worked on Halo 5 came in to work on Infinite, they'd find it a pretty foreign work environment. That is pretty telling that the game is using very different tech from previous games.Google is your friend: https://www.halopedia.org/Slipspace_Engine
Around the release of Halo 5: Guardians the engine was secretly worked on, and took several years to develop. The Slipspace Engine demo at E3 2018 was the culmination of the ten-years of work.[1] While the engine is largely new, remnants of the old Blam! engine remain.[2]
Link with timestamp should work.
But yea, it's been known for a while now that Bam! was used for halo 4, halo 5 and 343 was modifying it, then rebuilt parts of the engine like lighting, materials, physics shit like that. But base code is from a older engine which I've heard from what Jason Schrier reported on that it was the biggest issue in development, hence rumors that the demo wasn't from an internal build of the game but from contracted group who was working with 343.
It makes sense to get engine people from Coalition to help do engine optimization, since thats the main issue they were having.
Sure "Concern".Ok "Greggy"
Dregnel
Member
that girl on the left is definitely the daughter of tetsuya nomura, with this we can confirm the purchase of SE by microsoft.hope he is not too tough on these angels
Dural
Member
And they were very good technically, that's what I can't understand about Infinite. How do you go from making a couple of technical marvels like Halo 4 and 5 then put out the Infinite demo?