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Up: Pedro Pascal confirmed to play Joel in HBO's adaptation of TLOU
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carlosrox
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This would be bad too. She looks nothing like Tess.
For me, the actor should at least be able to pass as that person.
People who think being against stuff like this are sexist or racist are morons. It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with at least making an attempt to match the looks of a character.
Spiderman kid as Drake kinda sucks too, but at LEAST he is supposed to be playing a younger version of him.
Why the fuck make "Joel" if he's not even the same race?
Like I said before, why stop there then? Why match anything? Turn TLOU into a comedy in space about aliens.
This shit is idiotic. Stick to the fucking source material. If you're not going to, WHAT'S THE POINT?
Yoboman
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They are actors. You do realise actors can change their accents right?
OnionSnake
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If it's just a 1:1 remake of the videogame what's the point?
Senua
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Dude the issue was a black actor does not resemble Joel visually, it has nothing to do with blacks and whites having different cultures, your posts are cringey as fuck
bitbydeath
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You really asking why Harry Potter and the first few seasons of Game of Thrones was so popular?
Yoboman
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Game of Thrones was as close as possible to a 1:1 remake of the books for most of the first four seasons
Then it turned to shit when they ran out of source material.
So yeah, I prefer them to stick to what made the source material great
OnionSnake
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The books were not 1:1 remakes of Game of Thrones... and I don't watch/read Harry Potter but fans of the series say the same about them...
Like I said above, Game of Thrones was not a 1:1 remake?
bitbydeath
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Yes it was. It followed all the same story beats.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Never said it doesn't exist
I haven't seen them but Avatar The Last Airbender & Dragonball Evolution is your typical Americanised movie trash
Yoboman
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Yes they were. Especially season 1. They did not take liberties reimagining characters as something different. All of the story beats and central characters and themes matched the books.
Its when they began to change things in later seasons that people hated it.
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OnionSnake
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As a book reader we will have to agree to disagree, I was kind of annoyed at a lot of the changes. Hell the characters aren't even the same ages in the books/shows nor do they look the same as described. I think you both chose a very poor example given the LONG pages for each seasons differences from the books even starting with season 1.
Differences between books and TV series
A list of differences such as additional scenes, character appearances, and chronological changes that can be found in the TV series Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. Game of Thrones closely follows the storyline of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels, but there are still...
gameofthrones.fandom.com
This page in particular might help
Characters significantly changed between books and TV series
This page is in the process of being archived Osha the wildling is somewhat different than in the books. She is described as hardly looking like a woman, having a dour face, and being lean and tall, a head taller than Robb Stark. She has shaggy brown hair, and is significantly older than how she...
gameofthrones.fandom.com
See above, there are a lot of changes
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Phunkydiabetic
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Hahaha amazing. At least we got six pages of manchildren whining about the rumor. In fact there will still be another three or four pages of residual whining before the thread eventually dies so let's all soak it in shall we?
bitbydeath
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People weren’t watching Game of Thrones for the additional time filler scenes. What was popular is what was 1:1 with the source material.As a book reader we will have to agree to disagree, I was kind of annoyed at a lot of the changes. Hell the characters aren't even the same ages in the books/shows nor do they look the same as described. I think you both chose a very poor example given the LONG pages for each seasons differences from the books even starting with season 1.
Differences between books and TV series
A list of differences such as additional scenes, character appearances, and chronological changes that can be found in the TV series Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. Game of Thrones closely follows the storyline of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels, but there are still...
This page in particular might help
Characters significantly changed between books and TV series
This page is in the process of being archived Osha the wildling is somewhat different than in the books. She is described as hardly looking like a woman, having a dour face, and being lean and tall, a head taller than Robb Stark. She has shaggy brown hair, and is significantly older than how she...
See above, there are a lot of changes
Yoboman
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Your sources are describing very minor changes like increasing the character ages a few years. What would you describe as a major change in the early seasons?As a book reader we will have to agree to disagree, I was kind of annoyed at a lot of the changes. Hell the characters aren't even the same ages in the books/shows nor do they look the same as described. I think you both chose a very poor example given the LONG pages for each seasons differences from the books even starting with season 1.
Differences between books and TV series
A list of differences such as additional scenes, character appearances, and chronological changes that can be found in the TV series Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. Game of Thrones closely follows the storyline of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels, but there are still...
This page in particular might help
Characters significantly changed between books and TV series
This page is in the process of being archived Osha the wildling is somewhat different than in the books. She is described as hardly looking like a woman, having a dour face, and being lean and tall, a head taller than Robb Stark. She has shaggy brown hair, and is significantly older than how she...
See above, there are a lot of changes
OnionSnake
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Maybe I don't understand what a 1:1 remake is, because Game of Thrones from a books first then show viewer it was not one AT ALL. So much content was cut out of each book with it getting worse as the series went on for sure but it was never one to begin with.
Talisa/Jeyne Westerling is the biggest one and that's season 2. All of Lady Stoneheart being cut out whatever season that would be. The entire greyjoy family being wrong from season 2?
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Papacheeks
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carlosrox
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Noone said he wasn't a good actor. Completely beside the point.
Then there is no reason for Joel to be Joel at all then. Turn Joel into an Asian woman named Shiela.
Why stop there?
Give him a mohawk, make him 80 years old, and make him gay.
Why stop there?
Swap all the genders and races on every single character, and make sure they don't resemble them in any way.
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bitbydeath
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Wasn’t your initial argument that you thought a 1:1 transition would the pointless? Yes the show would have been better if it followed those points too.
The show was massively popular for what it transitioned from the books.
OnionSnake
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Sure I'm not disagreeing that it was successful or good, just that it was not a 1:1 remake... I don't really see the purpose of 1:1 remakes outside of games like Bluepoint or CGI movies which I wish would get the same treatment some games get. Outside of that though if the remake is the same what's the point?
Why does it matter? What point of the last of us story relies on Joel being a white dude? Really all it needs to be is a father who lost a daughter and takes in Ellie. Who cares if he really resembles the game Joel?
Yoboman
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You are only validating our point. When they changed stuff, it turned to crap. When they kept to the source material, it was great
And being a 1:1 remake does not mean keeping literally every bit of dialogue. Thats an impossible standard and wouldn't work on TV. We are talking about keeping the central story beats, themes, character arcs. The characters behaving in a way that is consistent with their book portrayal
Ned Stark was the same character in the book and show. When they tried to do shit like have Stannis kill his daughter in later seasons, that's the kind of character change that is fundamentally different
Yoboman
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I dont think anyone will care if the characters skin colour is all they change. People are concerned with such an outside the box character casting, if real, they will then go on to very outside the box character changes
bitbydeath
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To see it realised under a different medium where others not into the former medium can enjoy it.
OnionSnake
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Maybe I misunderstood what a 1:1 remake was, feel like I'm saying the same thing to both of you so see the above message. Some characters even early on feel quite different though, Little Finger being another notable one with GRRM saying he felt LF was portrayed too aggressive. Either way I misunderstood what 1:1 remake meant so I'll concede on this one
Stooky
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Nah , I sure that majority of people that watched the show never read the books. Im sure that majority of people that watch TLOU will never played the game.
Seems many care its a black dude.....which is dumb. Neil created the darn story and he can change what he wants. As long as the overall feel of the story is the same I dont care who plays Joel as long as his performance is good. And that dude is an awesome actor.
carlosrox
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If it doesn't matter then why change it?
What if the Aladdin remake changed the Genie from blue to yellow?
"Who cares, what does it matter" ? Nah, it's a stupid unnecessary change and a character's visual identity is important. If you're adapting that character, maybe maybe it look like the character? Joel is an aging old white dude with a beard. He's not a 25 year old dude with a pink mohawk. He's not black. He's not a woman. Joel is Joel. Attempt to match the character or make a new one.
Why not make a Tomb Raider movie with a Black Dude named Larry Croft?
Like, seriously, do people actually need to be told this?
Yoboman
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Littlefinger was changed but I think that was a necessary change. Books have the benefit of inner monologues that can describe LF as being untrustworthy while he is quite polite and unassuming in dialogue. I think they had to have him seem a bit sneakier in his behaviour for it to come across on TV
I think Tomb Raider relies on Lara being a woman just like Last of us requires Joel to be a dude(father whos lost his kid). I dont think white dude vs black dude vs asian dude vs whatever really matters. and I LOVE both games
Bernd Lauert
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The TV show is based on a video game. The video game has characters. The TV show should resemble those characters. It's not hard to understand.
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He look more like a Tommy to me
Mayor_McCheeze
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The resemblance is uncanny.
carlosrox
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I guess the people okay with it would also find the original Darth Vader voice equal to JEJ's voice cuz "who cares what someone sounds or looks like as long as the character is the same!"
Ps. JEJ is Black and Anakin is white so have that seat
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OnionSnake
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Think GRRMs issue is that he comes off very aggressive almost comically so, and then the later seasons where he just acts like a complete idiot but that's fan OC basically
You really dont need to make the characters look exactly like them. Its the story that matters. And if Neil wants to change some shit I dont care. Just give me good actors and make the show great.
Also Game of Thrones changes a bunch of shit from the books to TV show and until the last season it was awesome. The expanse has changed a ton from the books and its still awesome. Just appreciate them as their own thing.
Cherry Sonoshee
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Reputation? Clockwork? I posted in one thread(the ME ond) about how idiotic it was to complain about supposed ‘“sjw” stuff.
Take a break? I don’t even have many posts here?.....
Misanthrope? Miserable? Un no.....if anything I’m the one that’s happy because I think games are fine. I’m not obsessed with sjws and the like. My entire point in arguments has been things are good.
So I have no idea what you are talking about.
ComputerBlue
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Bella Ramsey was great in Game of Thrones, the small role she had, but she’s going to be like 18 by the time they start filming this. Maybe she still looks a lot younger than her age but Ellie is supposed to be 13 or so. We’ll see I guess. Then again, maybe the story will start just before the golfing accident.
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Yoboman
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Yeah I thought LF could have been better
Especially as the actor played the exact sort of sneaky politician in the Wire that suited LF perfectly
OnionSnake
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Yep, was excited to see that actor again in GoT but think he was given poor direction or scripts. Oh well, didn't even watch the last season after hearing how dreadful it was.
off duty ninja
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Yoboman
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Look at her. She can pass as 13-14 easily. I'm actually shocked she is that old.
Probably good casting cause they can easily age her up with make-up and diet off those baby fat cheeks for the time jump sequel
Virt McPolygon
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Always played like fiddles lol
Cherry Sonoshee
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Its not hard to understand wanting things to be that way.
But it’s not a matter of should. It’s an adaptation. There’s no rule that it has to be anything. It can do anything it wants.
But also resemble is a vague term. The story could be the same. The premise could be the same. For all you know Joel could be the same character and resemble the original in every way but skin color. Is that not enough? So really what’s the problem? Also as a tv show, it’s not going to be a carbon copy anyway.
If they were turning Joel into a women. Yeah that kind of changes the story or rather the vibe. I think you could do it, but you’d have a bigger hill to climb.
I really don’t think this going for woke points. Will it get woke points from the people some of you don’t like? Sure. But this casting is a real non issue. I never felt race was an important element of the character at all. He could be any race and the story would be the same. Or rather the core of the story would be.
What I really think is you have a production that will try to bank and actually get made because it has a bankable talent.
I thought the same with Scar Jo and the Ghost in the Shell movie. I thought she was perfect casting. The movie sucked, but not because of her and the supposed whitewashing. And the movie probably only existed because she was involved.
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