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Up: Pedro Pascal confirmed to play Joel in HBO's adaptation of TLOU
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Boss Mog
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It would be kind of hard not to see him as Negan in another post apocalyptic survival show.
TheMooMan
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If you woke up the opposite race tomorrow, would people perceive you differently?
Tickle My Tendies
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This news is going over about as well as I would have thought.
As for who I would cast as Joel, I kinda like Jon Hamm. I just watched him in Baby Driver, so maybe some recency bias.
As for who I would cast as Joel, I kinda like Jon Hamm. I just watched him in Baby Driver, so maybe some recency bias.
Boss Mog
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Who's to say? Is being black a small aspect of Blade's design? But way to dodge the question.
But actually yes, I'd say being white is a large part of Joel's character, He's sports a beard, talks with a Texas southern accent and wears a flannel shirt. If you were to describe somebody like that to me I'd assume the guy was white, because I just haven't come across many black guys that would fit that description.
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Senua
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Yoboman
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He is a below average actor though
He should be casted instead ^^
RasAlGhoul
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Top notch actor. Weird casting choice though.
Senua
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He was awesome in True Detective
Cherry Sonoshee
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But I thought this place didn’t care about identity politics?
Dude is a great actor with great subtle intensity. I see no problem with an adaption making changes especially when Joel’s race was not important. And besides he is hardly some decades old established character. I think Jamie Lannister would have also been great casting, but see no reason for the predicable whining.
Dude is a great actor with great subtle intensity. I see no problem with an adaption making changes especially when Joel’s race was not important. And besides he is hardly some decades old established character. I think Jamie Lannister would have also been great casting, but see no reason for the predicable whining.
balls of snow
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This whole thing is dumb af. Last of us is already a cinematic game with world class motion capture acting. Why why why.
Senua
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Drucky boy sure does!
OnionSnake
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Seriously
DeadOblivion78
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Both sides are pathetic.
bitbydeath
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Because people always want the actors to look the same as their original adaptations, quite simple really.
Wizz-Art
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You must be colorblind.
Perrott
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I mean, why not? I don't give a shit about the man's looks, after all his character arc has nothing to do with his skin color.
Senua
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LaughingStock
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carlosrox
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People are defending this shit?
Skin color is literally a part of many characters. And it goes both fucking ways.
Gender and racial swaps going EITHER WAY are stupid as fuck.
I don't want a Male Samus. I don't want a Black Link. I don't want a Female Mario. Etc, etc, etc.
Make new characters if you wanna change shit up.
For SOME characters like James Bond an argument could be made that a racial swap would be interesting. But even then, what is the actual point? Just leave these characters as they are.
And why's it always black? Do only blacks and whites exist? Where's the asian/Latino swaps?
This shit is idiotic, not sure how people can't see it.
Skin color is literally a part of many characters. And it goes both fucking ways.
Gender and racial swaps going EITHER WAY are stupid as fuck.
I don't want a Male Samus. I don't want a Black Link. I don't want a Female Mario. Etc, etc, etc.
Make new characters if you wanna change shit up.
For SOME characters like James Bond an argument could be made that a racial swap would be interesting. But even then, what is the actual point? Just leave these characters as they are.
And why's it always black? Do only blacks and whites exist? Where's the asian/Latino swaps?
This shit is idiotic, not sure how people can't see it.
TheTurboFD
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I’ll take Hugh Jackman as Joel instead
Perrott
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Well, in this case the original adaptation it's a random male videogame protagonist from the 360 generation.
Sometimes fresh takes on old stuff works out best when bringing something to another medium, like Will Smith as Deadshot in the DCEU imo.
Senua
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Neil wants his woke points dude, the actor is fantastic, but not for this role. simple. Why not write a new character?
TheMooMan
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After playing as Joel for 20 hours, of course swapping his race matters. What a ridiculous argument.
MayauMiao
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Lets turn Ellie into a boy. I have the perfect casting.
Even the name fits: Elliot.
Elliot is perfect as Lev.
bitbydeath
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I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a casting thread before but everyone always asks for people that look similar to the characters.
You coming in here with your opinion of why not just make the ocean a desert doesn’t mean anything in the scheme of things.
Revolutionary
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Great actor, but I don't see the point in changing race unless they're trying to change TLoU into some kind of racial allegory...
...that's totally what they're doing, isn't it?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised after HBO Watchmen (aka Damon Lindelof's White Guilt)...
...that's totally what they're doing, isn't it?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised after HBO Watchmen (aka Damon Lindelof's White Guilt)...
Yoboman
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Neil does casting for HBO now?
Perrott
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This is an original adaptation to another medium, whatever experience you had with the games doesn't matter.
You could have a point if we were talking about a race swapping within the same medium and series, as it happened with Deadshot who was white in Batman: Arkham City and now black in Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, which is stupid considering how both games are set in the the Arkhamverse.
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Senua
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Replacing a minority character with a white dudette? are you mad? Yikes dude, just literal yikes.
Yes and if they don't follow his every word he undoes his fruity top knot and goes fucking super saiyan, so they stay in check.
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Oddvintagechap
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The moment I saw the title. I was ready for snowflakes to fall. Im not even sure how’ll it work. But I love it. I assume they are just asking all the best actors. Hoping one will bite.
White-fire
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I am not caucasian so I’m approaching this from a mindset as a minority. The only problem I have with situations similar to this is the fact that the casters who make these decisions are double minded in their beliefs, and it often looks political. The reasoning for this decision is that Joel’s whiteness is not inherent to his character, and that he could have been any race or any color and it would have fit. That’s a valid point (although the degree to how closely his race is aligned to his character is certainly up for debate since it is jarring to see such opposite figures in your mind, such as someone tall next to someone very short).
The problem that arises is when you extend that logic in an egalitarian way. Any character whose identity is not directly tied to their race should be able to be cast as a different race if the people making such decisions believe that they found the best person. However, in our modern culture this can never be. Anyone who lives in the modern Twitter and Hollywood culture would know that race is usually only expendable if you’re white. If I was white I’d probably be somewhat irked by that since that attitude is mostly a way to put down and reduce the value of being white, instead of appreciating everyone for what they are. But it goes beyond that since the logic gets more twisted where minority characters are seen as protected and off limits for recasting because of their “marginalized status in society”. And therefore these completely fictional characters are barred from being recast while white characters are free game, despite the fact that opportunities for black actors and actresses have never been better. The culture and these studios protect these characters needlessly despite real life painting a completely different picture, it’s a huge disconnect.
Again, this should not be an issue and casting any character for any race should not matter. The only intent one should look at when seeing if an injustice was committed is if they were intentionally being malicious in their casting choices and changed a character’s race out of racism. However, this very well could have nothing to do with race and it shouldn’t, yet their ethos makes it inherently so based on the mindset of the “do gooders”.
The problem that arises is when you extend that logic in an egalitarian way. Any character whose identity is not directly tied to their race should be able to be cast as a different race if the people making such decisions believe that they found the best person. However, in our modern culture this can never be. Anyone who lives in the modern Twitter and Hollywood culture would know that race is usually only expendable if you’re white. If I was white I’d probably be somewhat irked by that since that attitude is mostly a way to put down and reduce the value of being white, instead of appreciating everyone for what they are. But it goes beyond that since the logic gets more twisted where minority characters are seen as protected and off limits for recasting because of their “marginalized status in society”. And therefore these completely fictional characters are barred from being recast while white characters are free game, despite the fact that opportunities for black actors and actresses have never been better. The culture and these studios protect these characters needlessly despite real life painting a completely different picture, it’s a huge disconnect.
Again, this should not be an issue and casting any character for any race should not matter. The only intent one should look at when seeing if an injustice was committed is if they were intentionally being malicious in their casting choices and changed a character’s race out of racism. However, this very well could have nothing to do with race and it shouldn’t, yet their ethos makes it inherently so based on the mindset of the “do gooders”.
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LaughingStock
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Elliot should be playing Joel. And Mahershala Ali should be Ellie.
TheMooMan
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Your argument fails the moment they use the same character.
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