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[lostinblue]

I love how everyone seems to have a PS5 here, and therefore advocates that a PS4 version is cancelled so less people are able to play the damn games.

The more people a game reaches, the better, it's good for Sony and it's good for consumers. Same with third parties and multiplatform releases across manufacturers, even if these platforms are inferior to the version you elect to buy!

And it's also very pleasing to me when a lower spec, older console, entering it's twilight years manages to run a game whose main target platform is more powerful - that's the whole third party concept for games on Switch - Switch is a toaster - OG PS4 isn't a toaster yet.

Some X360 ports, after PS4/Xbone came out were really good, I remember buying Rise of the Tomb Raider for it, because I found it cheap. Great port, so who cares? It was the same game, didn't hold the "next gen" version back for existing (ported by separate studio, perhaps even came out late) and the leap from X360 to PS4 was certainly bigger than the leap from PS4 to PS5.


I get it, if these games where really ambitious in some way or another they could be held back by PS4 and one could say what you are saying. But, why is that the case? Why are we assuming that's the case?


I'll even go further and say GT7 should also come out on PS4 - seeing PS4 customers never had a proper numbered GT and instead had GT Sport who was essentially a formless beta test for online play/net code, balance, monetization, engine tech and allowing Polyphony to keep producing and paying off their slow production rate of high quality assets of both cars and tracks without having to ship anything particularly coherent - and that's the whole reason GT7 can happen so fast now - and why there's actually no technical reason why it couldn't be on it (and no, RT isn't it).

 

[Iced Arcade]

Yeah smart business.... Throw away millions and millions of dollars. Lol stay in school.

Honestly you do realize this gen isn't going to do anything ginormous over last gen. Faster loading, more frames higher resolution etc that's what you will be getting. So there is no reason to not produce games cross gen.

 

[Pedro Motta]

These are two highly anticipated sequels to popular first party Sony games and they should both be showcases of what the PS5 can do. They should push the release dates to 2022 and really use the full power of the PS5. HZD was a showcase of what the PS4 pro could do and the sequel could be the same thing for the new gen console and the sequel to GOW could be as well. Don't make the same mistake CDPR did and release versions that are vastly inferior on last gen consoles.

Errrrrrr....no?

 

[longdi]

A lot of people are already shocked by Horizon 2’s graphics, some even going as far as thinking it’s CGI.

You don’t get any better praise than that!

probably like uncharted souped up cutscenes that is offline rendered using a ps5, and played back in .mov form.
so it is closer to cgi than realtime imo.

because we have yet to see such details density in a game or realtime demo running that smooth.

 

[Perrott]

Last-gen version of GOW Ragnarok? What are you talking about lol

 

[Halo0629]

Ps4 still has a few years of relevance, why ignore the 100 mil userbase? After seeing the ps4 gow and the ps5 enhance version it's not really that hard for sony to make both work.

 

[HotPocket69]

Who Gives A Shit - The Thread

 

[BadBurger]

Too much money to be made man. The PS4 and PS4 Pro will probably still be selling like hotcakes this time next year.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Gow will be linear, nothing a ps4 cant handle at 900p.

 

[quest]

Little to late not like they could rescope either game. It is not a huge deal next generation won't really take off until 2 years in like usual. The good stuff 4 years in when second generation games come out for each console. If either game was a true next generation game we would not see them till 2022 anyways they would need that time to make a proper next gen game.

 

[dark_knightmare2]

Sony is selling PS5's at a loss and you also want them to stop selling their exclusives on PS4's? do you want them to go bankrupt dude? they sold their office building in 2013 after the PS3 so they really need that cash.

It doesn’t make financial sense for them to abandon the PS4 with these exclusives but please they don’t really need that cash lol. The days of Sony being strapped for cash have long been over and you don’t need anymore proof than their financial results for the last few years. Sony are in a better place than they have been in a very long time and it’s great for people that are Sony fans.

 

[Troglodyte]

hahahah. Sony cares about their profits.

there is so much ignorance on here with regards to how business works.

No shit. Thats why I stated, "I don't care about Sony profits,".

I mean, its a coherent sentence. There's not much confusion. Do you have a problem with interpretation?

 

[Troglodyte]

Agreed. So many people on GAF have no clue how business works. Some things are just common sense and people lack all logic.

Its not about people not knowing how business works but more about what people want.

I guarantee you don't own a portion of Sony, so your feelings on their profits and business is laughable.

 

[SlimySnake]

Lots of Sony shareholders here. WHy do you all give a shit about Sony's profits?

I would imagine fucking gamers would care about getting the best game instead of hoping for Sony to make the most profits. I swear i live in the twilight zone sometimes.

Yes, those games should be cancelled. ps5 isnt the first console that has had shortages. no one could find the ps2 until the summer of 2001. they released gta3, mgs2, dmcv, silent hills 2, jak and daxter and several other AAA games all the same. And guess what Gaming was never the same again. now imagine if rockstar had released another top down gta game in 2001. we would literally be a decade behind.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

You just spent $499 on your shiny new console and now you are waiting for that big game to justify your purchase, which is totally understandable. But this is just the downside of being an early adopter. I predict that we will not see that “big jump” for another 2-3 years with these next gen consoles.

It makes zero sense for Sony to jump ship on a 100+ million install base with the PS4 especially when they can’t even make enough PS5’s to sell at the moment.

I think both games will be cross gen but the PS5 version will feature a slight bump in graphics with native 4K at 60 fps with fast load times and that is as next gen as it will get for most next gen games right now and that actually isn’t a bad thing at all.

 

[ZehDon]

As SonyGAF will outline in detail, due to their concern for Microsoft's multi-generational approach, the game(s) was designed with the PS4's limitations and so the best you can hope for is nice textures and frame rates. In short: too late now - the games are already limited.

 

[MagnesG]

From 15 million to 10 million to only 7- 8 million (4.5 mil dec 2020 + 3 mil forecasted) for this quarter. You want GOW and HZD to flop or what with that kind of small installbase?

Sony didn't "(We) believe in generations", anymore.

 

[Sorcerer]

I see no problem with Sony doing last gen versions of these games. The problem with Cyberpunk is that CDPR spent no time at all on the Xbox One and PS4 versions, it seems the whole time they were targeting pc. Sony should be knowledgeable enough with their own hardware to make it work.

 

[prinz_valium]

And sell to whom?
There are no many Ps5 out and ready to be sold when the game will launch

 

[THEAP99]

I agree with you. They are two big games that are highly anticipated sequels that should do a lot of crazy stuff and sell throughout the whole generation. But that's not going to happen if they're cross-gen.

A year ago everyone on here would've told you they can't wait to see what they can do with the ps5. But now times have changed and everyone expects and wants cross-gen for some reason. It's fucking weird and disheartening.

 

[Justin9mm]

Its not about people not knowing how business works but more about what people want.

I guarantee you don't own a portion of Sony, so your feelings on their profits and business is laughable.

Your post is laughable

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Lots of Sony shareholders here. WHy do you all give a shit about Sony's profits?

I would imagine fucking gamers would care about getting the best game instead of hoping for Sony to make the most profits. I swear i live in the twilight zone sometimes.

Yes, those games should be cancelled. ps5 isnt the first console that has had shortages. no one could find the ps2 until the summer of 2001. they released gta3, mgs2, dmcv, silent hills 2, jak and daxter and several other AAA games all the same. And guess what Gaming was never the same again. now imagine if rockstar had released another top down gta game in 2001. we would literally be a decade behind.

No one is arguing that the games should be cross gen, we are simply stating why Sony will most likely go in that direction.

 

[bitbydeath]

probably like uncharted souped up cutscenes that is offline rendered using a ps5, and played back in .mov form.
so it is closer to cgi than realtime imo.

because we have yet to see such details density in a game or realtime demo running that smooth.

Exactly what I mean.
It being real and also working on PS4 is quite surprising for some.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Sony doesnt believe in generations. Just cash. With PS5 pulling a loss, they'll have to gimp their titles to recoup the loss.

 

[longdi]

Exactly what I mean.
It being real and also working on PS4 is quite surprising for some.

Yap, i have doubts we will get such playable graphics density with ps5. not with a x-gen port.
Ps5 exclusive dark souls, looked no where as close to that FW trailer.

Im almost waiting to call the trailer bullshot to hell.

 

[bitbydeath]

Yap, i have doubts we will get such playable graphics density with ps5. not with a x-gen port.
Ps5 exclusive dark souls, looked no where as close to that FW trailer.

Im almost waiting to call the trailer bullshot to hell.

We’ll have to see it fully confirmed but Guerrilla Games are usually quite well known for their graphics so it wouldn’t at all surprise me to see the graphics looking even better than what they had shown. Unreal won’t be the only engine going above and beyond this gen.

 

[Golgo 13]

First off, you'll probably get your wish that the games will both be delayed until 2022, with COVID and all still affecting most of the world in huge ways. It's just impossible to develop at %100 capacity when everyone's in different places.

Secondly, there's zero chance Sony is leaving that money on the table, particularly since God Of War sold so well on PS4 (they know they have a huge base of customers there interested in a sequel).

Horizon: FW would actually be a great candidate for true-next gen development in terms of Guerilla's technical expertise and ambition, but again, they've been very clear about it's PS4 origins. So oh well.

 

[The Chairman]

It doesn’t make financial sense for them to abandon the PS4 with these exclusives but please they don’t really need that cash lol. The days of Sony being strapped for cash have long been over and you don’t need anymore proof than their financial results for the last few years. Sony are in a better place than they have been in a very long time and it’s great for people that are Sony fans.

Sony was printing money with the PS1 and the PS2 and then the PS3 drained all that money from them and forced them to sell their building, they also lost a lot of money from their Vaio-brand PC division and had to fire 5000 people, also their TV's, smart phones, movies are not doing so hot either, they will not be able to afford it if the PS5 is a failure. also before anyone jump and say that the PS5 is a success they should wait a few years first since the WiiU also sold out for months after it's release.

Nintendo's Wii U off to sold-out start

Nintendo releases initial Wii U sales results.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Troglodyte]

Your post is laughable

 

[Troglodyte]

Lots of Sony shareholders here. WHy do you all give a shit about Sony's profits?

I would imagine fucking gamers would care about getting the best game instead of hoping for Sony to make the most profits. I swear i live in the twilight zone sometimes.

Yes, those games should be cancelled. ps5 isnt the first console that has had shortages. no one could find the ps2 until the summer of 2001. they released gta3, mgs2, dmcv, silent hills 2, jak and daxter and several other AAA games all the same. And guess what Gaming was never the same again. now imagine if rockstar had released another top down gta game in 2001. we would literally be a decade behind.

Bingo. It's almost like these people care more about profits that they will never experience of a company that doesn't give a fuck about them instead of getting the best possible performance.

Could you imagine if BP made Demon's Souls remake for PS4 also?

I guess people truly want to role play as a Sony/Microsoft executive.

 

[Virt McPolygon]

You are too hung up and graphics. Seek counseling.

I'll relay this message to PlayStation HQ in San Mateo.

 

[Danjin44]

You are too hung up and graphics. Seek counseling.

that basically describes vast majority of people in NeoGAF, almost 90% of threads here are about graphics.

 

[Justin9mm]

Bingo. It's almost like these people care more about profits that they will never experience of a company that doesn't give a fuck about them instead of getting the best possible performance.

Could you imagine if BP made Demon's Souls remake for PS4 also?

I guess people truly want to role play as a Sony/Microsoft executive.

I think you have completely misunderstood.

How do you think the console gaming industry evolves and survives? You really think in the first 2 years of this new current gen that Sony would just abandon a huge PS4 install base and lose 100's of millions of profit they can put back into the company for R&D on future projects etc.

PS5 does not have the install base yet. You are delusional.

Of course I want next gen only games but its perfectly acceptable to support PS4 until the PS5 has fully hit the ground running for the first couple of years.

You truly have no idea mate, if everyone thought like you, the PS4 wouldn't have been as successful as it is and console hardware would not have evolved the way it has.

 

[HellforLeather]

 

[Troglodyte]

I think you have completely misunderstood.

How do you think the console gaming industry evolves and survives? You really think in the first 2 years of this new current gen that Sony would just abandon a huge PS4 install base and lose 100's of millions of profit they can put back into the company for R&D on future projects etc.

PS5 does not have the install base yet. You are delusional.

Of course I want next gen only games but its perfectly acceptable to support PS4 until the PS5 has fully hit the ground running for the first couple of years.

You truly have no idea mate, if everyone thought like you, the PS4 wouldn't have been as successful as it is and console hardware would not have evolved the way it has.

No, you truly have no idea. As a gamer I want the best possible game for the best possible console I own. I don't care about their profits and I don't care about the industry making money. I understand how business works and I understand that they NEED to support PS4 at this point. I don't have to like it. That's the point I am making.

Gaming has turned into some circle jerk where gamers care how much a company makes and/or if company A sells more consoles/games than company B. Just give me the best, most optimized experience we can get.

Now, if they can give us PS5 owners the best possible game and give the PS4 owners the best possible game without compromise. GREAT.

None of us want to pay $60/$70 for a half assed game.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Agreed

 

[xrnzaaas]

It's never happening from a financial standpoint, especially now with PS5 shortages which could last the entire year. They are very high budget games. Except for Days Gone all Sony first party games ran great even on base PS4, I'm pretty sure the upcoming games won't be as bad as PS4 Cyberpunk.

 

[truth411]

Ok I know Horizon is a cross gen game, but where is this idea that the next God of War is cross gen coming from? Did Sony announce that?

 

[Kimahri]

Lol, fuck no. They really shouldn't. Just drop what, 100 million PS4s in favor of just a few million just to please some fans?

Nah, that's not particularly smart.

They can still do impressive PS5 showcases, and keep PS4.

 

[nowhat]

probably like uncharted souped up cutscenes that is offline rendered using a ps5, and played back in .mov form.
so it is closer to cgi than realtime imo.

You are aware that in Uncharted 4 99% of the cutscenes are real time? The are a couple of transitional cutscenes when the scene changes completely, but they last like a few seconds.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

After seeing the Cyberpunk thing Sony might just want to go with the best versions of the game. I am sure that situation made a lot of people rethink their plans.

It’s going to run exactly like GoW did with extra RT and rock steady 4K/60fps on a PS5, that’s it.

 

[ZywyPL]

Those games are being made to make money, lots of it, so Sony does what suits them the best first and foremost.

 

[longdi]

You are aware that in Uncharted 4 99% of the cutscenes are real time? The are a couple of transitional cutscenes when the scene changes completely, but they last like a few seconds.

Im thinking similar to this, super high fidelity mode, closer to GT photomode than playable, but taped and ran as video cutscenes

 

[Yoboman]

Gow will be linear, nothing a ps4 cant handle at 900p.

Why would they go back to linear?

 

[Hudo]

Why should they? The install base of PS4s is quite big and Sony have trouble getting the PS5 out. It's actually an intelligent move to release the games on both platforms as long as that situation persists.

 

[dark_knightmare2]

Sony was printing money with the PS1 and the PS2 and then the PS3 drained all that money from them and forced them to sell their building, they also lost a lot of money from their Vaio-brand PC division and had to fire 5000 people, also their TV's, smart phones, movies are not doing so hot either, they will not be able to afford it if the PS5 is a failure. also before anyone jump and say that the PS5 is a success they should wait a few years first since the WiiU also sold out for months after it's release.

Nintendo's Wii U off to sold-out start

Nintendo releases initial Wii U sales results.

www.usatoday.com

My dude they have a net worth of 138 billion and their stock just recently hit their highest in over a decade. Sonys movies might not review well most of the time but they make money most of the time and their TVs are doing just fine. I mean why are you trying to live in the past and push the narrative that Sony is in trouble especially if the ps5 fails which btw is laughable because there’s almost no chance of that happening. I mean just let it go Sony is doing great and has been for the last 7 years and the years of fanboys pathetically hoping they would go bankrupt is long gone.

 

[phil_t98]

so your saying one of the best looking games STILL in God of War is not good enough for PS5?

 

[Miles708]

Has anyone thought about the fact that maybe, just maybe, Sony will make PS4 versions on their games because it fully knows the PS5 manufacturing problems will likely continue for months and months?

Can't really break even on a 3 million user base.

 

[vkbest]

These are two highly anticipated sequels to popular first party Sony games and they should both be showcases of what the PS5 can do. They should push the release dates to 2022 and really use the full power of the PS5. HZD was a showcase of what the PS4 pro could do and the sequel could be the same thing for the new gen console and the sequel to GOW could be as well. Don't make the same mistake CDPR did and release versions that are vastly inferior on last gen consoles.

Nope, they shouldn’t. First because they announced Horizon 2 for PS4 already, second because business, there is not enough PS5 for AAA being profitable. At least you want get a lesser game proyected to 4-5 million of sales instead 15-20

 

[sunnysideup]

wait these are coming to ps4?

fucking ridiculous.