Agnostic2020
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He is not technical . Don't argue with facts . He loved fud about ps5 which is a trait of some xbox hard-core fans . Fake info about ps5NAND should not be cooled when in use. It would degrade them faster.
He is not technical . Don't argue with facts . He loved fud about ps5 which is a trait of some xbox hard-core fans . Fake info about ps5NAND should not be cooled when in use. It would degrade them faster.
Internal components reaching dangerous temps is not something I would call a minor issue.Very minor, just some RAM chips. Click baity title.
MS said that they will tune it, because now there is almost zero point having the console in the sleep mode, when SSD boots up the system that fast.could be wise to wait for the ps5 mini or pro. This choice of cooling worries me. Isnt a new guy was handled to design ps5 cooling? I like to see publication scrutinize him more.
sounds like a lazyboy.
do you mean SX 'sleeps' at 30w?
how weird, i guess that figure measured was still not deep sleep, but while turning to initial sleep.
Was just going to say, NAND is meant to stay well warm and just fluctuate.NAND should not be cooled when in use. It would degrade them faster.
GDK is not new, devs have stated they've had it since February.Series X GDK (game dev kit) is still in development, devs have had less time with it, and it's new. The Series X is the superior console, unless you think Sony has managed to alter the laws of physics.
NAND should not be cooled when in use. It would degrade them faster.
Want your SSD to last? Keep it cool, says new study from Facebook
Facebook’s servers house a massive amount of data, so it should come as no surprise that they regularly publish research reports using that data on everything from relationships to the color of the infamous dress. In this case, the study was not about the data itself, but the effect it has on the SSDs that it’s stored on. The researchers found that it wasn’t usage, as is commonly believed, that wears down flash memory, but temperature that has the most effect on data integrity.
Really? Because why else you have such a big cooler on PC SSDs?Was just going to say, NAND is meant to stay well warm and just fluctuate.
And they've had the PS5 dev kit longer. And the version they can use to actually publish games was only made available to developers in June. And still, it's a work in progress. Keep trying.GDK is not new, devs have stated they've had it since February.
Why would you assume that people have heard of him? Is he supposed to be as known as Digital Foundry or Nx Gamer? I’m on GAF almost everyday and I have never heard of him.Can’t wait for Sony fanboys to be like “who is gamers nexus? Never heard of him”.
could be wise to wait for the ps5 mini or pro. This choice of cooling worries me. Isnt a new guy was handled to design ps5 cooling? I like to see publication scrutinize him more.
That doesn't translate to better perf automatically. It's harder to utilize higher count CUs than lower count ones. Also, PS5's GPU runs at 22% higher clock speed. So it has a 22% advantage in pixel fillrate and rasterization rate, etc. XSX GPU doesn't have a clear cut GPU advantage. And we can see that in more than one game's performance.More compute units in the GPU and therefore more ray accelerators and shaders
0.1 GHz. So basically the same.faster CPU
greater bus width and more memory bandwidth.
There is VRS apparently according to a dev from Activision. GE is a new hardware feature that brings primitive shaders which is likely mesh shaders with a different name. There is likely SFS equivalent too but they haven't disclosed any of them. MS is talking but showing nothing whereas Sony is silent and just letting the games do the talking.Not to mention hardware features like VRS, mesh shaders, SFS, and ML silicon that are not present in the PS5.
nand should not be over cooled in use. there is a optimal temp, but you definitely dont want it to hit 80-90c
It can vary based on the background workload. On idle in the menu, it's 47W according to DF.add this: ps5 uses 100w just at the xmb menu!
that is your 4k hdr fancy menu. wtf..
More CU (and therefore shaders etc.) on the the same architecture is always better. Unless you think a 6800 will out perform a 6900xt. Clock speed do not give the boost you think they do compared to having more cores in the GPU do the paradigm of parallelization. The rest of your post is speculation as is per usual about "hidden features". And primitive shaders are not the same as mesh shaders lol.That doesn't translate to better perf automatically. It's harder to utilize higher count CUs than lower count ones. Also, PS5's GPU runs at 22% higher clock speed. So it has a 22% advantage in pixel fillrate and rasterization rate, etc. XSX GPU doesn't have a clear cut GPU advantage. And we can see that in more than one game's performance.
0.1 GHz. So basically the same.
As for the bandwidth, only 10GB of the pool is at an advantage, the other 6GB is -25% slower than PS5.
There is VRS apparently according to a dev from Activision. GE is a new hardware feature that brings primitive shaders which is likely mesh shaders with a different name. There is likely SFS equivalent too but they haven't disclosed any of them. MS is talking but showing nothing whereas Sony is silent and just letting the games do the talking.
Really? Because why else you have such a big cooler on PC SSDs?
You just googled this subject for the first time in your life and made your mind within 1 minute of research. Search some more.
Why would you assume that people have heard of him? Is he supposed to be as known as Digital Foundry or Nx Gamer? I’m on GAF almost everyday and I have never heard of him.
Well obviously, but in this thread, there is a notion that NAND should be warm during operation, but I don't think that's really a the case with any semi conductor.To keep performance from down-throttling in extensive use. The same product will be installed in hundreds of different configurations. They need to cover all kinds of cooling or lack there of.
you show me which other studies have nand flash of ssd needs to run beyond 'warm' temps?
It helped his PS5 run 5C cooler in the limited benchmarking he performed. Honestly if you can I don’t see how it could hurt.should i use my ps5 with the plastic off, then?
Right back at ya, buddy.And they've had the PS5 dev kit longer. And the version they can use to actually publish games was only made available to developers in June. And still, it's a work in progress. Keep trying.
Yea like I said before... thoe panels are coming off if I get one and they are going into the garbage.
Well obviously, but in this thread, there is a notion that NAND should be warm during operation, but I don't think that's really a the case with any semi conductor.
We keep saying it but it's true... you were missed...When I first saw the PS5 design I said “that looks like it’s gonna get hot” mostly due to the look of the panels.
Im either gonna try to find modified ones with vents/holes or or consider leaving them off
This is the voice of gaming Jesus, the true lord of the gamers.tl;dr?
Oh definitely thermal flex is bad, however semiconductors suffer in higher heat, because they have less resitance and thus are more vulnerable towards spikes in voltage and etc. Can you please throw me some article about NAND and temp, if you have one? : )You would be wrong. Fluctuating temperatures is what damages most IC due to heat/cooling cycles of expansion. Nand is another matter with other issues. It should not be cooled if in its normal operation it does not surpass its rated temp.
I could've sworn though it's recommended to keep them on because taking them off could ruin airflow? Hopefully someone does rigorous testing playing with them offIt helped his PS5 run 5C cooler in the limited benchmarking he performed. Honestly if you can I don’t see how it could hurt.
Also, it's hilarious that the PS5 has better thermals with the panels off
I’d take a setting in the UI to prefer slightly cooler operation at the expense of a bit of noise.I'm all for a little extra noise from the fan if it helped with memory cooling. Rather have a noisy (or a slightly audible) console than a dead one.
If you don’t have a gaming PC or built one you wouldn’t know who he is. Don’t worry lol. Steve isn’t a Jim Sterling level of personality.Why would you assume that people have heard of him? Is he supposed to be as known as Digital Foundry or Nx Gamer? I’m on GAF almost everyday and I have never heard of him.
6800's frequency doesn't run 22% higher than 6900 XT though. What's the point of that comparison?More CU (and therefore shaders etc.) on the the same architecture is always better. Unless you think a 6800 will out perform a 6900xt. Clock speed do not give the boost you think they do compared to having more cores in the GPU do the paradigm of parallelization. The rest of your post is speculation as is per usual about "hidden features". And primitive shaders are not the same as mesh shaders lol.
Oh definitely thermal flex is bad, however semiconductors suffer in higher heat, because they have less resitance and thus are more vulnerable towards spikes in voltage and etc. Can you please throw me some article about NAND and temp, if you have one? : )
Oh noooes i feel there is a thermalgate incoming. A lot of ps5 have artefacts at the moment. Sounds like the memory is getting to hot
No no, I am asking due to my PC, this is like a OT, I have actively cooled SSD and now I am conteplating if that's a good idea... Because one of my SSD shit the bed and that was also actively cooled. DIY obviously.They suffer with Heat because it shortens the electrical wave which means you have to increase the voltage for the same effect. This in turn increases the wattage which in turn increases the cooling needs. Electric migration only occurs in EXTREME voltages and temps.
Once you design a product, all these factors are estimated, including costs of RMA from malfunctions.
People are trying to dramatize what isn't a problem and giving ill-intended opinions to other people to not buy the product. Its moronic and evil.
The massive 120mm fan is right next to it and is blowing air onto those SSD NAND flash memory, genius. Your concern trolling is showing.yes it is weird to see sony chose not to cool the ssd nand flash and the gddr6.
just a few dabs of thermal paste and spread to the steel internal chasis.
here is your nand 'cooling' in ps5...
doesnt even have direct contact with the main big heatsink.
what statistics do u have to show that?
The massive 120mm fan is right next to it and is blowing air onto those SSD NAND flash memory, genius. Your concern trolling is showing.
You have no clue about hardware do you? This is how memory in nearly all GPUs is cooled.no.
see my screenshot above.
if that was done on a pc gpu, shit will hit the fan i say!
How is that hilarious? Even the vast majority of PCs have better thermals with the panels off. Even XSX will have better thermals with its outer shell off.Also, it's hilarious that the PS5 has better thermals with the panels off