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[Shmunter]

That secret sauce

I mentioned this in the other thread; being performance mode with imagery reconstruction, I presume PS5 has got hardware for reconstructing free vs XsX costing resources.

Pure speculation, but PS4 had specific checkerboarding hardware like the stencil buffer; no reason PS5 not got something new for next gen.

 

[Stuart360]

2% to 8%. Such a massive advantage LOL.

Yep for a console that has dev tools that are 'way behind PS5's' as many of you have been saying in here for months. And for a japanese studio that gives little shit about Xbox (as shown by their shoddy OneX versions).
1-2 frames advantages for PS4 and Pro over XB1 and the OneX produced 10 page threads on here in the past. I still remember Thelastword making a big deal about Black Ops 3 'having a better framerate' on the Pro than the OneX, and the video he used was a NXGamer vid (of course), and the vid showed the Pro have a 0.3% of a frame advantage over the Onex on a 20min segment lol.

The point for me is that if there was one launch game you would think the PS5 would 'win', it would be Devil May Cry, just because of the history of Japanese studios and their OneX versions of their games. Its still better on XSX though ,which is surprising for me.
Hell maybe some western games will be better on PS5. I already said yesterday that i would pick the PS5 version of Valhalla over the XSX version because the XSX version has some screen tearing.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Is this related to DMC5? What’s the TLDR on that thread?

Haven't read the entire thread but from what I've seen:
- Cherry pick screenshots from both platforms
- Blame the API's
- Blame Capcom
- 8% more frames = massive advantage
- PS5 is giving everything to run the game but XSX isn't even in its final form

 

[v_iHuGi]

Haven't read the entre thread but for what I've seen:
- Cherry pick screenshots from both platforms
- Blame the API's
- Blame Capcom
- 8% more frames = massive advantage
- PS5 is giving everything to run the game but XSX isn't even in its final form

Another hard generation for Xbox Fanboys in the loop.

 

[HAL-01]

Yep for a console that has dev tools that are 'way behind PS5's' as many of you have been saying in here for months. And for a japanese studio that gives little shit about Xbox (as shown by their shoddy OneX versions).
1-2 frames advantages for PS4 and Pro over XB1 and the OneX produced 10 page threads on here in the past. I still remember Thelastword making a big deal about Black Ops 3 'having a better framerate' on the Pro than the OneX, and the video he used was a NXGamer vid (of course), and the vid showed the Pro have a 0.3% of a frame advantage over the Onex on a 20min segment lol.

The point for me is that if there was one launch game you would think the PS5 would 'win', it would be Devil May Cry, just because of the history of Japanese studios and their OneX versions of their games. Its still better on XSX though ,which is surprising for me.
Hell maybe some western games will be better on PS5. I already said yesterday that i would pick the PS5 version of Valhalla over the XSX version because the XSX version has some screen tearing.

Frame the developer as biased against the Xbox so you can pretend the advantage is bigger than what actually shows, wow

 

[Hashi]

How about they answer the ones tagging them, they need a replacement ASAP. Typical damage control. The guy with the smoking XSX:





EDIT: Seems like XboxPL is avoiding him now:

This guy receives threats and insults.

 

[FranXico]

Yep for a console that has dev tools that are 'way behind PS5's' as many of you have been saying in here for months. And for a japanese studio that gives little shit about Xbox (as shown by their shoddy OneX versions).
1-2 frames advantages for PS4 and Pro over XB1 and the OneX produced 10 page threads on here in the past. I still remember Thelastword making a big deal about Black Ops 3 'having a better framerate' on the Pro than the OneX, and the video he used was a NXGamer vid (of course), and the vid showed the Pro have a 0.3% of a frame advantage over the Onex on a 20min segment lol.

The point for me is that if there was one launch game you would think the PS5 would 'win', it would be Devil May Cry, just because of the history of Japanese studios and their OneX versions of their games. Its still better on XSX though ,which is surprising for me.
Hell maybe some western games will be better on PS5. I already said yesterday that i would pick the PS5 version of Valhalla over the XSX version because the XSX version has some screen tearing.

When the weaker console ends up having better framerate, that's newsworthy.
The stronger one performs better, as much as one would expect based on teraflops? Okay, no surprise there.

I have a feeling you are going to brag a lot about diferences of 10% or less this gen, and cry "lazy devs" when it doesn't even reach that much or it goes the other way.

Enjoy your specs, other people play good games elsewhere (120fps, 60fps or 30fps, doesn't matter).

 

[Hashi]

Well, I have a Polish aunt but that doesn't make me understand Polish.

 

[Yoboman]

Yep for a console that has dev tools that are 'way behind PS5's' as many of you have been saying in here for months. And for a japanese studio that gives little shit about Xbox (as shown by their shoddy OneX versions).
1-2 frames advantages for PS4 and Pro over XB1 and the OneX produced 10 page threads on here in the past. I still remember Thelastword making a big deal about Black Ops 3 'having a better framerate' on the Pro than the OneX, and the video he used was a NXGamer vid (of course), and the vid showed the Pro have a 0.3% of a frame advantage over the Onex on a 20min segment lol.

The point for me is that if there was one launch game you would think the PS5 would 'win', it would be Devil May Cry, just because of the history of Japanese studios and their OneX versions of their games. Its still better on XSX though ,which is surprising for me.
Hell maybe some western games will be better on PS5. I already said yesterday that i would pick the PS5 version of Valhalla over the XSX version because the XSX version has some screen tearing.

Dont take the news so hard, Stuey

 

[Stuart360]

When the weaker console ends up having better framerate, that's newsworthy.
The stronger one performs better, as much as one would expect based on teraflops? Okay, no surprise there.

I have a feeling you are going to brag a lot about diferences of 10% or less this gen, and cry "lazy devs" when it doesn't even reach that much or it goes the other way.

Enjoy your specs, other people play good games elsewhere (120fps, 60fps or 30fps, doesn't matter).

I'm not going to brag about anything, i'm not the one downplaying anything, or pretending that 3 of the 4 modes dont exist.
I already said yesteday that i would pick the PS5 version of Valhalla due to the screen tearing in that comparison vid. And if other comparisons show the PS5 better in some games, i'll say i'd pick that version too.
Dont lump me together with your own fanboy tendancies.

 

[Stuart360]

Dont take the news so hard, Stuey

What news am i supposed to be taking badly?, jesus christ some of you really are too comfortable in your Next Gen safe place bubble.
Honestly lol.

 

[prinz_valium]

Series X and Xbox One X blu-ray drive. Both basically the same. That's how Microsoft is saving money.
So that's the second part from the previous gen now in the new console.

 

[Well_Of_Souls]

Ready to roll

So jealous! Another week to wait, here in the UK. At least Demon's Souls and my controller will be delivered today, so I have a full week to look at them!

 

[vkbest]

So jealous! Another week to wait, here in the UK. At least Demon's Souls and my controller will be delivered today, so I have a full week to look at them!

Sony Second-class citizen here too (Spain), the good we will know what are the problems with the console prior to turn on xD

 

[DeadOblivion78]

Haven't read the entire thread but from what I've seen:
- Cherry pick screenshots from both platforms
- Blame the API's
- Blame Capcom
- 8% more frames = massive advantage
- PS5 is giving everything to run the game but XSX isn't even in its final form

Basically nothing changed then. Its the Pro vs X again and the now the gap is even smaller.

 

[SSfox]

It's clear that a lot of these early games are still using last gen I/O paths and aren't optimised for next-gen I/Os as efficiently as they can be. I expect loading times to get shorter and shorter as the gen goes on. First party already showing everyone how it should be done though.

This is 100 time above Odyseey loading on ps4

Really disappointed it don't use dualsens features, will wait for huge sales in that matters.

 

[FranXico]

Series X and Xbox One X blu-ray drive. Both basically the same. That's how Microsoft is saving money.
So that's the second part from the previous gen now in the new console.

The Blu-ray drive really doesn't need an upgrade though. This is fine.

 

[Garani]

Basically nothing changed then. Its the Pro vs X again and the now the gap is even smaller.

And the games are still on PS' side of the camp (no, I am not talking about multiplat. You can play them everywhere).

 

[olga_kurylenko]

I think that 2~8% penalty to PS5 is just vsync penalty. On DF's analysis, XSX version DMC runs with no vsync through VRR. so basically PS5 is almost same realworld performance to XSX . maybe highframe mode is only no vsync mode on PS5.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Basically nothing changed then. Its the Pro vs X again and the now the gap is even smaller.

Yes, but that's not what some people want to hear. They want PS5 running games at 1440p and XSX at native 4K, that's the only way they will feel complete.

 

[DeadOblivion78]

Yes, but that's not what some people want to hear. They want PS5 running games at 1440p and XSX at native 4K, that's the only way they will feel complete.

People also don’t want to hear that superior image quality is more important than hitting a native resolution that doesn’t offer anything but worse performance.

 

[3liteDragon]

This thread isn't closing until we get die shots.

 

[sandkiller]

Anyone with a ps5 and bt headphones can confirm if it works and if 3d audio can be enabled?

 

[ToadMan]

Series X and Xbox One X blu-ray drive. Both basically the same. That's how Microsoft is saving money.
So that's the second part from the previous gen now in the new console.

I was thinking about this before.

Basically the Xsex is overpriced by at least $100 vs the competition.

The Xsex is looking increasingly like a modded Xbone - not necessarily anything wrong with that except it's using bargain basement parts : SSD is gen 3x4 patched to interface with pcie 4 x2, the external drive looks like an intern made it on a Friday afternoon, Xbone labelled chips on the board and other bits from Xbone and the controller is just about untouched.

I mean compare to PS5 - that has the same performance (by any practical standard) in multiplats, actual exclusives, dual sense, more H/W customization and quite a lot of service stuff that is better, and the disk version is same price and the DE is $100 less...

The value proposition for the console is loaded so much to PS5 now, I don't see Xsex maintaining it's relative sales position at that price point.

I think MS should look at a deep discount early next year if they want to stay relevant this gen - they need to match the DE I'd say and probably get to $350 to really have a shot.

 

[Yoboman]

Anyone with a ps5 and bt headphones can confirm if it works and if 3d audio can be enabled?

My bose ones would not connect

But my beyerdynamics are getting full volume plugged in unlike PS4

 

[SSfox]

This thread isn't closing until we get die shots.

So what's the plan once this thread got closed, any Dutch here that got a plan?

 

[Foamy]

Did I just see all the blood on the snow disappearing after a few seconds in AC Valhalla? Surely these consoles are powerful enough that they don't have to do that anymore?

 

[ToadMan]

This is 100 time above Odyseey loading on ps4

Really disappointed it don't use dualsens features, will wait for huge sales in that matters.

Looking at the loading screens I think Ubisofts might have slowed it down on purpose to give the player a chance to play in the limbo space.

They were talking about that with Demon Souls - give the player a chance to "catch their breath" before dumping into a new space...

For dual sense, I'd guess Ubi will patch something to try and get it to sell a bit better on PS5.

 

[Zheph]

Did I just see all the blood on the snow disappearing after a few seconds in AC Valhalla? Surely these consoles are powerful enough that they don't have to do that anymore?

Ask Ubisoft, not Sony nor MS

 

[Sickteddy]

Will this headphones work well with PS5+3D Audio (HyperX Cloud Alpha) ?

 

[Bittermich]

For dual sense, I'd guess Ubi will patch something to try and get it to sell a bit better on PS5.

No, they already confirmed that it’s not in the game.
It wouldn’t matter anyway.

 

[danielJackson]

I was thinking about this before.

Basically the Xsex is overpriced by at least $100 vs the competition.

The Xsex is looking increasingly like a modded Xbone - not necessarily anything wrong with that except it's using bargain basement parts : SSD is gen 3x4 patched to interface with pcie 4 x2, the external drive looks like an intern made it on a Friday afternoon, Xbone labelled chips on the board and other bits from Xbone and the controller is just about untouched.

I mean compare to PS5 - that has the same performance (by any practical standard) in multiplats, actual exclusives, dual sense, more H/W customization and quite a lot of service stuff that is better, and the disk version is same price and the DE is $100 less...

The value proposition for the console is loaded so much to PS5 now, I don't see Xsex maintaining it's relative sales position at that price point.

I think MS should look at a deep discount early next year if they want to stay relevant this gen - they need to match the DE I'd say and probably get to $350 to really have a shot.

PS5 is objectively more innovative next gen console.

Xbox relies more on "more the same, but faster + aggressive marketing talk"

Both strategies have their reasons, but consoles have usually had something new to offer gen after gen. Mainly the controller if nothing else

I have seen PS5 ads, even switch ads but zero xbox ads on tv. So MS continues to forget areas outside of US, difficult to gain sales if they dont even advertise their consoles

Maybe they dont want / need global success? Xbox is so unpopular here that even used one x takes some time to sell for 100-150€ or cant even sell it, yet at USA they sell over the mrsp as used? ( proof https://www.huuto.net/haku/words/xbox+one+x/status/closed , these are closed auctions / buy it nows, most have just ended without nobody buying them, grey band on top when opening them means not sold, blue means it is sold)

This MS strategy of "more the same, but faster" gives the option to buy one x for 100-150€ which is kind of nice, why pay +500€ if there isnt exclusives yet or major features other than SSD? I think I will get one x one day, after they are 50-100€, for BC stuff and few xbox RPGs

Or just get Series X for 200€ used, I would estimate it happens in 2021

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

A marathon morning trying to secure a PS5 with mission accomplished but still waiting a month for it to arrive

 

[sircaw]

Yep for a console that has dev tools that are 'way behind PS5's' as many of you have been saying in here for months. And for a japanese studio that gives little shit about Xbox (as shown by their shoddy OneX versions).
1-2 frames advantages for PS4 and Pro over XB1 and the OneX produced 10 page threads on here in the past. I still remember Thelastword making a big deal about Black Ops 3 'having a better framerate' on the Pro than the OneX, and the video he used was a NXGamer vid (of course), and the vid showed the Pro have a 0.3% of a frame advantage over the Onex on a 20min segment lol.

The point for me is that if there was one launch game you would think the PS5 would 'win', it would be Devil May Cry, just because of the history of Japanese studios and their OneX versions of their games. Its still better on XSX though ,which is surprising for me.
Hell maybe some western games will be better on PS5. I already said yesterday that i would pick the PS5 version of Valhalla over the XSX version because the XSX version has some screen tearing.

the ps5 costs 100 bucks less and has a far better controller and a much more advanced ssd, better sound engine, wifi bla bla bla, these things were not cheap. Its pretty obvious the ps5 is the better-designed console now. there is no question about it.

Come on, dude.

Keep your tiny % vs all those amazing extras plus the ps5 punching well above its weight.

 

[Bojanglez]

This things needs FOLDERS!!!!

I'd prefer categories or groups, so I can have a single game in many. This is something the Xbox OS does very nicely. But Folders are the next best thing.

 

[geordiemp]

https://www.pttweb.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1590679194.A.F5B

Taiwanese Aquariuszi:

PS5 did start much earlier, but the final chip revision started H2 2019.

XSX started the chip verification in H1 2019 and finished in H2 2019.

So all the discussion of XSX being later is not true, Sony chose what they wanted, MS chose what they wanted and each did their own customisation.

I often see a narrative that XSX hing on for RDNA2, and it is not true on the dates.

 

[Stuart360]

the ps5 costs 100 bucks less and has a far better controller and a much more advanced ssd, better sound engine, wifi bla bla bla, these things were not cheap. Its pretty obvious the ps5 is the better-designed console now. there is no question about it.

Come on, dude.

Keep your tiny % vs all those amazing extras plus the ps5 punching well above its weight.

This is the third time now i have seen this 'PS5 cost $100 less' damage control. PS5 costs $500, just like XSX. The PS5 Digital costs $100 less.
As for the rest, cu's are not cheap either.

 

[sircaw]

This is the third time now i have seen this 'PS5 cost $100 less' damage control. PS5 costs $500, just like XSX. The PS5 Digital costs $100 less.
As for the rest, cu's are not cheap either.

my ps5 that i am buying does not cost 500 bucks, what are you talking about.

My ps5 which is a 100 bucks cheaper is still doing the exact thing in that devil man cry video.

its not damage control, its a fact.

 

[FranXico]

https://www.pttweb.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1590679194.A.F5B

Taiwanese Aquariuszi:

PS5 did start much earlier, but the final chip revision started H2 2019.

XSX started the chip verification in H1 2019 and finished in H2 2019.

So all the discussion of XSX being later is not true, Sony chose what they wanted, MS chose what they wanted and each did their own customisation.

I often see a narrative that XSX hing on for RDNA2, and it is not true on the dates.

Both companies had to sync their own R&D with AMD. I find it incredibly naive to think otherwise.

 

[Stuart360]

my ps5 that i am buying does not cost 500 bucks, what are you talking about.

My ps5 which is a 100 bucks cheaper is still doing the exact thing in that devil man cry video.

Yes, the PS5 Digital. The full PS5 with the dirve, like XSX, is $500.
This is disingenuous, and you know it. Damage control in case multiplatform games are better on XSX. The XSX doesnt have a diskless version of the main console.

 

[ToadMan]

No, they already confirmed that it’s not in the game.
It wouldn’t matter anyway.

You're right - it looks like a bad game so I don't think adding dual sense haptics will help it sell. Too much good stuff on PS5 already.

But they can patch it pretty easily. It's just sound.

 

[sircaw]

Yes, the PS5 Digital. The full PS5 with the dirve, like XSX, is $500.
This is disingenuous, and you know it. Damage control in case multiplatform games are better on XSX. The XSX doesnt have a diskless version of the main console.

you know i am right.

And i thought Xbox was all about game pass, that what everyone keeps telling me, do you need a cd for game pass.

there is no other way to look at this, Sony has the better-engineered machine. You cant have all those goodies in it and only have a tiny 2-6% lead, its bad, real bad.

Now i get why i am seeing the Xbox meltdowns in that other thread.

Xbox is overpriced and should be selling their system at least 50 bucks less. Ripping of their fans.

 

[Stuart360]

you know i am right.

And i thought Xbox was all about game pass, that what everyone keeps telling me, do you need a cd for game pass.

there is no other way to look at this, Sony has the better-engineered machine. You cant have all those goodies in it and only have a tiny 2-6% lead, its bad, real bad.

Now i get why i am seeing the Xbox meltdowns in that other thread.

Xbox is overpriced and should be selling their system at least 50 bucks less. Ripping of their fans.

You really are the worst at times, you know that?. Just read your post again, what you just posted, it sounds like salty fanboy drivel.
The only meltdowns i see in the DMC thread is from you lot. What does Xbox fans have to be upset about with DMC?, it was best in 3 of the 4 modes, and the 3 modes that will be played the most by far.
And if Zen 2 8/16 cpu, SSD, and a 2080 l;evel gpu for $500 is 'ripping off fans', then us PC gamers are the biggest mugs of all lol.
Anyway i'm not falling out with you again, so i'm done.

I apologize to Sircaw for saying that. Its just tough in here to discuss stuff at times.

 

[HAL-01]

Yes, the PS5 Digital. The full PS5 with the dirve, like XSX, is $500.
This is disingenuous, and you know it. Damage control in case multiplatform games are better on XSX. The XSX doesnt have a diskless version of the main console.

I think it’s pretty obvious what they’re saying. The entry price for the full next gen experience on Sony’s side is $100 less, with very little in the way of downsides vs an xsx. It’s a better value

 

[MastaKiiLA]

It's not a good look for investors to show the competition continuing to outsell you. It could also potentially reflect poorly on GP subscription numbers if a disproportionate amount of them come from the PC side. In the past, investors were asking why MS continued to invest in the Xbox, when it was just bleeding cash. It's why they consolidated reporting under 1 nebulous gaming sector, as opposed to reporting Xbox financials independently. There's nothing wrong with this, of course. It's smart business management. You won't make yourself look weaker than you have to. Still, it pretty much sets the expectation that the don't expect a change from the current status quo. Sony will probably be the market leader again. NPD data lost a lot of granularity, IIRC (haven't looked at a report in years), so it's all guesswork.

 

[ToadMan]

You really are the worst at time, you know that?. Just read your post again, what you just posted, it sounds like salty fanboy drivel.
The only meltdowns i see in the DMC thread is from you lot. What does Xbox fans have to be upset about with DMC?, it was best in 3 of the 4 modes, and the 3 modes that will be played the most by far.
And if Zen 2 8/16 cpu, SSD, and a 2080 l;evel gpu for $500 is 'ripping off fans', then us PC gamers are the biggest mugs of all lol.
Anyway i'm nopt falling out with you agin, so i'm done.

If you watch those side by side with no giveaways you won't be able to tell which platform is which. The fault is on Capcom for not locking frames to 60 ...

A "win" lol... what a ridiculous thing to say.

Talk about desperation - yeah you've got it bad.

 

[Stuart360]

If you watch those side by side with no giveaways you won't be able to tell which platform is which. The fault is on Capcom for not locking frames to 60 ...

A "win" lol... what a ridiculous thing to say.

Talk about desperation - yeah you've got it bad.

I have played the game, and didnt even finish it as it wasnt for me. I dont care what runs DMC better. But if you are going to fanboy over something, at least try and be fair, and dont pretend 3 of 4 modes dont exist.
As for the 'win' thing, what are you supposed to say when talking about comparisons.

 

[Stuart360]

I think it’s pretty obvious what they’re saying. The entry price for the full next gen experience on Sony’s side is $100 less, with very little in the way of downsides vs an xsx. It’s a better value

Diskless PS5 is better value, no way those drives cost $100, especially for Sony and Microsoft buying them in massive bulk. But thats not the point. The PS5 with a drive, is the same price as the XSX with a drive.

 

[mejin]

 

[Aceofspades]

Yes, the PS5 Digital. The full PS5 with the dirve, like XSX, is $500.
This is disingenuous, and you know it. Damage control in case multiplatform games are better on XSX. The XSX doesnt have a diskless version of the main console.

Dude, PS5 DE is still full fledge PS5 minus the disc drive. And yes its cheaper than XSX and provides the BEST value out of all next gen consoles (XSX, PS5 and XSS). MS should have opted for similar strategy and released a discless XSX rather than a generation-gimping XSS.