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[LucidFlux]

Not joking, and I might be missing something, but was that pop-in around 10sec, in the distance, same street he is swinging in but much farther up the road? From the moment he's on his peak and starts going down again, then in the distance.

Video is blurry as hell for me but it looks like a shadow appearing in the distance.

I'm not sure why people thought that pop-in would suddenly disappear or LOD transitions to not be noticeable until game engines are rewritten to implement REYES style rendering like UE5's nanite.

The only thing that can be done in the interim is to infinitely push out draw distances on objects but even that isn't as easy as it sounds because then that means the lowest LOD of every object in the viewport (or has the potential to be in the viewport in x amount of time) needs to already be loaded into memory. That might eclipse total available memory whereas with the nanite technique, distant objects only covering 10s of pixels would take considerably less memory as only the visible geometry is rendered with the rest culled on the fly. Hopefully that makes sense.

 

[jimbojim]

Everyone here jumps on everything. It's a discussion forum, you are not supposed to keep your observations to yourself.

It is a discussion board, but, observations can be wrong. At least you've correctes yourself

 

[Codexer]

 

[sircaw]

don't hate me Car people but fuck that looks boring.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Thats great news, i'm playing this mess of a game right now and i allready got rid of the popin on my PS4pro by installing and playing of an exernal ssd. framerate and overall feel of the game is stil dodgy as $#%@!

You know what got me excited? it was that evil within 2 runs at almost at 60fps on Xbox Series X for the most part. This is insane jump considering the 30fps performance on current gen consoles. I hope PS5 can do the 60fps as well!

 

[carloseduardocd]

Some good RT reflections in the car, but that's it. Not impressive for me.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Remember talking about the XSX overheating and I had said it may be people putting them into tight and or enclosed spaces and not allowed to breathe?

Then some people here laughed saying no no these people know how and where to store these consoles?

 

[LucidFlux]

Just imagine the pop-in on a slower SSD. From what I've seen the PS5 has been doing a great job where streaming and loads are concerned. Any issues that it's having with it's I/O will be worse on slower I/O systems.

But I don't think it will be game breaking on either platform.

It's really not the SSD but the engine. If you changed nothing else but somehow took the PS5 SSD and I/O and made it twice as fast, there would still be pop-in unless the engine has been updated to take advantage of seamless asset streaming like UE5.

The reason pop in happens is because the asset isn't in memory yet, so no matter how fast it's loaded the object isn't there until suddenly it is.

 

[FunkMiller]

Not joking, and I might be missing something, but was that pop-in around 10sec, in the distance, same street he is swinging in but much farther up the road? From the moment he's on his peak and starts going down again, then in the distance.

If you're talking visible asset pop in, I'm afraid I'm not seeing anything. Going frame by frame, I can't see any objects loading in at any point in the distance. There's some reflection based stuff going on in building windows, as Spidey flies down the street and perspective changes. Do you mean that?

 

[geordiemp]

Not joking, and I might be missing something, but was that pop-in around 10sec, in the distance, same street he is swinging in but much farther up the road? From the moment he's on his peak and starts going down again, then in the distance.

Man its going to be rough when we get to see some XSX games, jeesh.

 

[Insane Metal]

What's with that shitty YT compression? 1080p videos are almost unwatchable!

Apart from that, not a very good looking game. Looks kinda like Dirt5, a bit better

 

[FunkMiller]

Remember talking about the XSX overheating and I had said it may be people putting them into tight and or enclosed spaces and not allowed to breathe?

Then some people here laughed saying no no these people know how and where to store these consoles?

Ridiculous... especially when they have acres of empty space on top of the cabinet.

 

[sircaw]

If you're talking visible asset pop in, I'm afraid I'm not seeing anything. Going frame by frame, I can't see any objects loading in at any point in the distance. There's some reflection based stuff going on in building windows, as Spidey flies down the street and perspective changes. Do you mean that?

I said it was reflections first GTFO, i am now certified technical Genuis or genie.

geordiemp your so out, replaced, SUPERCEEDED BIACH.

 

[LucidFlux]

If you're talking visible asset pop in, I'm afraid I'm not seeing anything. Going frame by frame, I can't see any objects loading in at any point in the distance. There's some reflection based stuff going on in building windows, as Spidey flies down the street and perspective changes. Do you mean that?

I definitely see a shadow suddenly appear down a few blocks in the middle of the street around the 10 sec mark.

 

[Mr Moose]

The car looks out of place to me, is it the lighting or something else?

 

[sircaw]

The car looks out of place to me, is it the lighting or something else?

it should be in destruction all stars.

 

[aclar00]

GameSpot PS5 unboxing video

Did they bring back the digital/pressure sensitive face buttons? Havent heard anything about them, and i remember Sony saying they took it out because no one was using jt...but i miss them. Some games implemented them nicely.

 

[kyliethicc]

Remember talking about the XSX overheating and I had said it may be people putting them into tight and or enclosed spaces and not allowed to breathe?

Then some people here laughed saying no no these people know how and where to store these consoles?

fuck me what an idiot lol

I've seen multiple people unboxing and setting up the PS5 without the stand. They have no idea its supposed to be used vertically too.

Some people.. smh

 

[xacto]

Dealer gaming and Eastwood own both consoles.

@Riky too, just saying.

And still, I think you highlighted the wrong guy

 

[sircaw]

Remember talking about the XSX overheating and I had said it may be people putting them into tight and or enclosed spaces and not allowed to breathe?

Then some people here laughed saying no no these people know how and where to store these consoles?

At least he's got a picture to show your insurance company after the fire, i am sure looking on that they will pay out lol.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I don't think the shadows are RT though. Only the reflections in the game if I'm not wrong.

No I meant that due to the system needing resources for RT, it might be slower on different aspects like this shadow that pops-in.

If you're talking visible asset pop in, I'm afraid I'm not seeing anything. Going frame by frame, I can't see any objects loading in at any point in the distance. There's some reflection based stuff going on in building windows, as Spidey flies down the street and perspective changes. Do you mean that?

No, it's literally on the street itself. Not the building windows. From the moment he is falling. In front of the tree you see all the way in the end. Unfortunately we can't see what's actually beneath him there.

Man its going to be rough when we get to see some XSX games, jeesh.

Lol mate, for someone who keeps bashing Halo Infinite you're quickly irritated if someone asks a simple question about pop-in.

 

[xacto]

fuck me what an idiot lol

I've seen multiple people unboxing and setting up the PS5 without the stand. They have no idea its supposed to be used vertically too.

Some people.. smh

And then they'll yell "OMFG it's running hot!!! And you said it had liquid metal and a big fan!!!"

 

[sircaw]

And still, I think you highlighted the wrong guy

i am giving up sigh, going back to bed, to much god damn excitement.

And trust you of all mammals to notice.

bloody cat.

 

[devilNprada]

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That's not much of a compelling argument, chief. Anecdotal evidence rarely is.

But your 2.5 billion number is coincidentally about the number of people worldwide who own smartphones (2.7 billion)..
Now I guess It's conceivable people own consoles and PC's without owning a smartphone, but it can't be many.
I think his argument is legit...

Another note: Is google technically already controls a vast majority of the gaming world..

 

[ethomaz]

Remember talking about the XSX overheating and I had said it may be people putting them into tight and or enclosed spaces and not allowed to breathe?

Then some people here laughed saying no no these people know how and where to store these consoles?

I believe this guy only put it there to try to show how it is big.
He even tried to hide his Series X.

 

[DrDamn]

don't hate me Car people but fuck that looks boring.

Some people love it. Not all that exciting graphically but the quality of the light transitions (driving from light to shadow and out again) looked very natural.

 

[Dibils2k]

fuck me what an idiot lol

I've seen multiple people unboxing and setting up the PS5 without the stand. They have no idea its supposed to be used vertically too.

Some people.. smh

is this why Series X has a forced stand?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Also remember that Matt and @NXGamer are quite pally. Matt is an expert at talking around any NDAs he may be subject to by posing knowledge he clearly has as questions (it's an artform). Michael (@NXGamer) is far too sensible to throw any potential source under the bus too. I find it interesting though that @NXGamer was giving a few nods and winks in his latest video about Infinity Cache that implies the principles rely on high clock speeds (sound familiar ).

Ahead of the AMD showing tomorrow I'd highly recommend watching @NXGamer video on the subject as it breaks down the principles and importance of minimising cache misses and how this may help.



Remember also



So it will be interesting to see if either of the consoles are 'derivatives', certainly one seems to adhere to at least one aspect of the principles (faster clock rates) more than the other

That is the exact time-frame that I am building a new PC as well, and it too has been a little over a decade since the last one.

 

[geordiemp]

No I meant that due to the system needing resources for RT, it might be slower on different aspects like this shadow that pops-in.


No, it's literally on the street itself. Not the building windows. From the moment he is falling. In front of the tree you see all the way in the end. Unfortunately we can't see what's actually beneath him there.


Lol mate, for someone who keeps bashing Halo Infinite you're quickly irritated if someone asks a simple question about pop-in.

Not irritated, it looks great, better than anything else shown so far, and far off rendering is never perfection with BVH ray tracing also in there.

Just a reminder that XSX games will get scrutiny for the claimed power, thats all, and the standard is spiderman.

 

[xacto]

don't hate me Car people but fuck that looks boring.

Looks as bad and boring as Dirt 5. No particles, no dust/mud on cars... that car looks really out of place on that dirt road, like taken out of the dealership and superimposed on some dirt track...

 

[FunkMiller]

No, it's literally on the street itself. Not the building windows. From the moment he is falling. In front of the tree you see all the way in the end. Unfortunately we can't see what's actually beneath him there.

Yep, see where you mean now. Could very well be pop in of the distant tree, yes. Although, they're monkeying around a lot with the sun's glare on objects everywhere in the sequence, so that could account for it.

 

[kyliethicc]

And then they'll yell "OMFG it's running hot!!! And you said it had liquid metal and a big fan!!!"

I doubt that, it might just tip over and get scratched or something lol.

The stand is intentionally wider than the console (when vertical) for stability. The base has rubber feet under it for grip.

 

[sircaw]

Some people love it. Not all that exciting graphically but the quality of the light transitions (driving from light to shadow and out again) looked very natural.

If people like it then i say go ahead and enjoy it, everyone is different. To me, it looks very bland.

I am not a fan of car games in general so i am probably not a good person to ask, saying that burnout was fun.

There was also a game where you could crash into other cars or a wall for points, that was fun.

Also like riding over people in Carmageddon, Yer i liked that, go figure

 

[kyliethicc]

is this why Series X has a forced stand?

Yeah probably. They built in feet on the side too. And its cheaper to not have to design a way to remove it.

But the Xbox is wide enough when vertical that it shouldn't tip over as easily being a shorter and square box.

 

[kyliethicc]

If people like it then i say go ahead and enjoy it, everyone is different. To me, it looks very bland.

I am not a fan of car games in general so i am probably not a good person to ask, saying that burnout was fun.

There was also a game where you could crash into other cars or a wall for points, that was fun.

Also like riding over people in Carmageddon, Yer i liked that, go figure

You might like Destruction Allstars then? Its just a competition to see who can destroy the most cars. Crash and bash!

 

[xacto]

If people like it then i say go ahead and enjoy it, everyone is different. To me, it looks very bland.

I am not a fan of car games in general so i am probably not a good person to ask, saying that burnout was fun.

There was also a game where you could crash into other cars or a wall for points, that was fun.

Also like riding over people in Carmageddon, Yer i liked that, go figure

You didn't like car crashes in Carmageddon... you liked running people over. Dysfunctional fish

 

[MasterCornholio]

No I meant that due to the system needing resources for RT, it might be slower on different aspects like this shadow that pops-in.

Someone mentioned LOD earlier and I think that's what's causing it because in the other clip that I saw the shadow came in at around the same distance.

It would be interesting to see a comparison between the modes for the LOD.

I noticed you mentioned Halo Infinite but the LOD was horrendous in that game compared to this one. Probably because the build was poorly designed at the time they they've showed it.

 

[Great Hair]

is the fluidity of the players. Life-like for sure.

More like zombies to me, all dancing in unison
I like the commentary during that segment, just perfect encapsulates how bad it is.

 

[sircaw]

You might like Destruction Allstars then? Its just a competition to see who can destroy the most cars. Crash and bash!

100% will give it a go when it comes out, fished strapped in and looking for targets.

Car name Torpedo 1, Driver name, Who needs brakes?

 

[geordiemp]

Video is blurry as hell for me but it looks like a shadow appearing in the distance.

I'm not sure why people thought that pop-in would suddenly disappear or LOD transitions to not be noticeable until game engines are rewritten to implement REYES style rendering like UE5's nanite.

The only thing that can be done in the interim is to infinitely push out draw distances on objects but even that isn't as easy as it sounds because then that means the lowest LOD of every object in the viewport (or has the potential to be in the viewport in x amount of time) needs to already be loaded into memory. That might eclipse total available memory whereas with the nanite technique, distant objects only covering 10s of pixels would take considerably less memory as only the visible geometry is rendered with the rest culled on the fly. Hopefully that makes sense.

I guess you cannot cull everything in the frustum with ray traced reflections as well, so another thing to be taken into account compared to Nanite which is only working on stuff in view.

 

[FunkMiller]

But your 2.5 billion number is coincidentally about the number of people worldwide who own smartphones (2.7 billion)..
Now I guess It's conceivable people own consoles and PC's without owning a smartphone, but it can't be many.
I think his argument is legit...

Another note: Is google technically already controls a vast majority of the gaming world..

Okay, for the sake of argument, let's be more conservative, and completely knock out mobile gamers (though Luna will appeal to them as well, as you don't need to purchase anything else) 1.4 billion game on PCs, with a further 400 million on consoles. That's 1.8 billion. 25% of the world's population. Extrapolate against the 150 million prime subscribers and you get a likely potential audience of 37 million. More than twice what GamePass has on its books at the moment. And that's not counting Amazon customers just with accounts and not Prime, who Amazon can also leverage as they have their details and buying habits. That'll easily be in the hundreds of millions. Additionally, Twitch alone gets over 15 million daily views, all of which feeds into Amazon's ecosystem.

Don't understand what you mean with Google?

 

[sircaw]

You didn't like car crashes in Carmageddon... you liked running people over. Dysfunctional fish

Don't ever visit me, you won't be going home.

 

[RyanEvans21]

More like zombies to me, all dancing in unison
I like the commentary during that segment, just perfect encapsulates how bad it is.

PS5 SSD Working! (2 Seconds or Lower Loading Speed?)

Want to buy it this game, but season is already over.

 

[devilNprada]

1.4 billion game on PC

I don't believe that number though

Don't understand what you mean with Google?

Android smart phones = 1.9 billion of the 2.7

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Meh...looks better than Dirt 5, but still doesn't look interesting...and that music is totally out of place for the footage shown! They just need to bring back Motorstorm and do it up PS5-style!

 

[Codexer]

 

[FunkMiller]

I don't believe that number though

Android smart phones = 1.9 billion of the 2.7

You don't believe a research study conducted by a large, independent organisation with a proven track record?

https://www.dfcint.com/product/video-game-consumer-segmentation-2/

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/314009-3-billion-people-worldwide-are-gamers-and-nearly-half-play-on-pcs#:~:text=3 Billion People Worldwide Are Gamers, and Nearly Half Play on PCs,-By Joel Hruska&text=A new report claims that,in terms of gaming spend.

...oh, and as for the smart phone market? IOS will have Luna on it.

 

[FunkMiller]

This fucking thing is going to look like absolute fried ass on current gen consoles, isn't it?

 

[Zathalus]

Oh come on, delaying the game after it has gone gold?

 

[onesvenus]

Some good RT reflections in the car, but that's it. Not impressive for me.

Can you point where are you seeing RT reflections? I haven't seen all the video but the reflections I saw could be easily done with dynamic cubemaps for example