Thirty7ven
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Sony created the console of tomorrow and MS perfected the console of yesterday.
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Dirt 5 devs: Next gen GPU differences don't impact development, but have efficiencies when optimising and tuning
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sircaw
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This is basically the truth.
Microsoft have missed out this generation on pushing innovation forward. Lucky We have Sony to thank for doing that or else we would be standard and stagnant.
Insane Metal
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They should've named it the RetroBox. Or Xbox Series Retro.
mitchman
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PS5 GPU is up to 22.5% faster with rasterization, pixel fill rate, cache bandwidth, better CU to cache ratio, and it has advanced hardware features such as fully programmable Geometry Engine and Cache Scrubbers. So it's not clear which will actually perform best in all games and chances are PS5 will perform better with higher triangle counts and games with a lot of assets loading as you do not need to stall the GPU for every replaced asset.
Bo_Hazem
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My post was assuming bigger caches or other HW, actually. Didn't touch into API/optimization as PS5 is vastly easier than any console ever to optimized for according to various developers and many have already confirmed it
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geordiemp
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My post was assuming bigger caches or other HW, actually. Didn't touch into API/optimization as PS5 is vastly easier than any console ever to optimized for according to various developers and many have already confirmed it
True but the quote still deos not say which console took more effort and why, so the whole thread is meaningless lol
Its not long now before we see 3rd party games running probably next week.
Thirty7ven
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Md Ray
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I like how when Series S and X's massive specs differentials are brought up, you say resolution will be the only difference between them. When PS5 and XSX specs are brought up then it becomes a difference of "more sophisticated particle effects", "more complex animations" and "better physics and AI"
Give me a break.
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MasterCornholio
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I think the argument here is that the two will be very close. It's not like you are going to get a 40-50FPs advantage in the XSX like some people are saying.
Bo_Hazem
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DarkMage619
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Based on arguments here I expect the PS5 to outperform the XSX. I am looking forward to the 3rd party head to heads. 'PS5 is the system of the future.'
sircaw
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People should be allowed to discuss stuff, you should be allowed to comment and criticize these billion-dollar companies.
If you don't like what Sony has done or made or see issues in their console, please feel free to criticize them, If they have done something poorly then please go full steam ahead and say it like it is, i will even support you in this if its a valid point.
No company should be immune from scrutiny.
MasterCornholio
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The theory is that the PS5s I/O will be faster. And in theory the PS5s GPU does have some advantages over the XSXs. What those advantages will translate to I'm not sure yet.
Definitely not expecting a massive brutal difference between the two unless you have something that proves that.
Bo_Hazem
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It means much higher quality assets/models/textures, if the devs don't cheap out and do parity to avoid the backlash.
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sircaw
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If the Ps5 gains parity with the new xbox then the Ps5 is the better machine.
how many times have we seen people state the xbox is so much more powerful than the ps5, crushing the ps5 in cpu, gpu and ram. Its been the main narrative for xbox people for ages now.
This is what it boils down too. If the ps5 and xbox reach Parity on multi-plat games, that means the ps5 is a better designed and better thought out machine, why.
ITs a 10.3 tflop machine trading blows with a 12 tflop machine. Think about that statement for a second
If sony can achieve Parity and also spend money in making the best controller with more advanced haptics, better sound engine, better ssd, more future proof wifi, supporting VR, the dashboard in 4k(its 2020 goddammit), they even put a mic in their controller. Goddammit.
And the best part, we have not even got to the games yet,
If its Parity for the xbox its a disaster, they put all their eggs in that 12tflop basket, i expect to see huge difference, not Parity.
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bitbydeath
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Actually seeing what PS5 is capable of has been a huge feather in its cap.
MasterCornholio
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It would be a disaster for Microsoft from a marketing point of view. Especially after they spent all that time telling people that they have the most powerful system. However I don't believe they would make that claim if they didn't believe it themselves.
We will just have to wait and see what the differences will be.
longdi
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Albert no longer works for MS.
He is still in the industry, hence i believe he will prefer to maintain some Pro Cred than be seen as a FUD machine.
Im excited the truth will be out in 3 more weeks. I expect Series X games to have a more stable fps and lesser variable dynamic shading/res. With the caveat that it's well known XDK is further behind SDK, so even launch games may not tell the whole story.
I think we will get more clues next week at Big Navi event, let's see its game clocks on a standalone card, with its own dual/triple fans and >1kg heatsink, and own pcie power.
Tajaz2426
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I thought that at first also, but games like COD and Ubisoft games seem to hit 4K on both. I think it will be very close no matter what.Albert no longer works for MS.
He is still in the industry, hence i believe he will prefer to maintain some Pro Cred than be seen as a FUD machine.
Im excited the truth will be out in 3 more weeks. I expect Series X games to have a more stable fps and lesser variable dynamic shading/res. With the caveat that it's well known XDK is further behind SDK, so even launch games may not tell the whole story.
I think we will get more clues next week at Big Navi event, let's see its game clocks on a standalone card, with its own dual/triple fans and >1kg heatsink, and own pcie power.
sircaw
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i personally think they made that claim thinking that Sony would just build an almost identical machine like them, which i think at the time would be a fair assessment.
They did not take into account the extra lengths that Mark Cerny was prepared to take to try and push innovation.
Personally, i think the new xbox is great, if someone gave me one i would happily stick it on my desk and use it to play games, there is nothing wrong with it.
The difference is, i think, Mark Cerny went well and beyond the COD in designing the ps5.
Remember that 1 dollar quote from that person saying i bet you in a few years time people will be talking about the ps5 bla bla, i cant remember it exactly but i think you might.
The difference between the two machines is Mark Cerny's Genuis and vision.
BigLee74
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Doesn't mean to say your good self and your hareem should waltz into every thread and shit on xbox, because that is what you are doing.
This is a thread about Dirt 5 and how next gen GPUs haven't affected development.
But no, all of a sudden its about how the new Xbox is a last gen machine, and Sony is an innovator.
GTF with that nonsense, because boy is it tiresome.
sircaw
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No one is waltzing into any thread, people are discussing things and trying to do it with logic, but because its not the all-singing dancing conga line that you want, it somehow upsets you.
Read my comment above yours and stop trying to make everything so fanboyish.
MasterCornholio
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I think the reason why some are having trouble understanding how the PS5 is built is because it's very different from any previous consoles that they made. It could end up working for them or it might fail. But so far I like what I've seen of PS5 games and hopefully that continues.
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Sejanus
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Agree for the third parties or same res/frames but better rt/aa for xsx.Albert no longer works for MS.
He is still in the industry, hence i believe he will prefer to maintain some Pro Cred than be seen as a FUD machine.
Im excited the truth will be out in 3 more weeks. I expect Series X games to have a more stable fps and lesser variable dynamic shading/res. With the caveat that it's well known XDK is further behind SDK, so even launch games may not tell the whole story.
I think we will get more clues next week at Big Navi event, let's see its game clocks on a standalone card, with its own dual/triple fans and >1kg heatsink, and own pcie power.
But I also want to see what amd for rdna2.0 will present.
sircaw
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Yer, also the problem is we are so used to believing the Tflop narrative. We are humans normally judge things by bigger is better kinda mentality.
There are so many more intricate things going on with these machines now, that old measurement needs to die.
We have seen so many game developers and tech people saying STOP USING THAT METRIC.
MasterCornholio
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Honestly the simplest way to show off a systems capabilities is with games. Won't be long until everything gets studied under a microscope.
bitbydeath
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BigLee74
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What, this one? Your response to someone claiming Sony had made the console of tomorrow and Xbox perfected the console of yesterday?
What has any of this got to do with Dirt 5 performance and development?
Yeah, EXACTLY. SFA. Same with all the snarky comments like 'Ex Box', 'RetroBox' etc that came after it.
As said, this last page has read like the next gen thread. We don't need another one shat up in a similar fashion, thank you very much.
Of course, as ever, please do continue to act all sanctimonious. I would expect nothing less.
sircaw
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And that's the one and that's what i have been saying.
BlueXImpulse
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I agree with the fish.
sircaw
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Are you understanding basic posting, are you even reading what people are writing, or are you just raging at a screen for nothing.
Let me Break it down for you again, your failure to read basic stuff is affecting your judgment and logic here.
If Sony's 10.3 machine reaches parity in third-party games with Microsofts 12 flop machine, that means
Sonys machine is the better One.
Why would sony's machine be better you ask? Because its getting the same results while at the same time using a slower cpu, a weaker gpu and slower RAM TO ACHIEVE the same effect. This ain't witchcraft dude, this is engineering.
Why is this so difficult for you to understand this poiint. Mark Cerny must of made a hell of a lot of custom silicone advancements to close that gap between those specs.
does the statement above sound wrong in any way?
I am not trying to shit all over your machine, i have already said its a good machine but the fact is a fact. The xbox is on paper meant to shit all over the ps5 but its not.
So far, what we have heard from developers, its parity.
I have said nothing wrong or far-fetching, you need to stop acting like someone burnt down your home and kidnapped your kids everytime someone does not say something positive about microsoft.
Closer
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Biting dicks off = blowjob?
geordiemp
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How do you know which GPU is stronger and which is weaker ?
Cahes and architecture make as much difference as TF.
An Infinity cache 23 TF part will perform and challenge a 30 TF part, we will see that in 4 days. Tune in.
You and I dont know whcih has the stronger GPU yet, and indeed which worlkloads they perform best over, as it wont be the same.
These 2 consoles are chalk and cheese. Polar opposites that share some of the same building bricks, one built a house and the other a bungalow..
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sircaw
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I want the one with Amanda Cerny in it.
MilkyJoe
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Silent Viper
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Md Ray
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Why would it sound logical to him? He looks like a firm believer in the 9TF FUD.
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Silent Viper
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He works for Amazon. Not getting paid from MS. He worked on hardware on with Xbox team and has knowledge. On What basis you rejecting what he saying? We need to trust what you saying coz your username is in gold?
Riky
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Not really and I'll tell you why.
Sony have made a machine with a less powerful GPU, slower CPU and slower peak memory bandwidth (substantially slower). These are the metrics that have always made software look nicer and run better, that hasn't changed.
On top of that they made a bigger console, that needs Smartshift and variable clocks to get to that less powerful metric. We will see which runs quieter and cooler, I'm very confident XSX will be quieter because Sony are talking about fan speeds before launch. Heat they may be equal because of the ridiculously large heatsink they have had to use and then shape the console as well with flaps to cool, making it even bigger.
Basically they are the ones who made a standard console, Microsoft have reinvented the console in a new form factor that made it more powerful in a quieter smaller form factor, at the same price. Sony got out engineered.
This doesn't mean I think PS5 is bad, it's probably great, when it has the sort of games I'm interested in I'll buy one like every other playstation console. A remake of a PS3 game and a cross gen Spiderman add on don't cut it for me personally but each to their own.
I've had every other Playstation console at launch but not this time, I'll wait for a slim version or a Resistance/Killzone game.
Dabaus
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Why would it sound logical to him? He looks like a firm believer in the 9TF FUD.
Bro it was sarcasm.
sircaw
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he's talking about Rikys reply, not urs m8
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