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Garani
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Not just that, if you have issues, you contact the person in private, fellow developer in this case, and iron it out. This is just bullying.Educating him how though, they probably just sent him another 20 thousand people to his videos.
Snowdonhoffen
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I don't think we know how much ram PS5 will have for games, or if you're implying it will have 12 GBs@448 and the other 4GBs will be at another speed that's just not the case.
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sircaw
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It's hard when your work gets criticized or you don't get the responses you would have liked, i know this from my own personal experience in terms of the stories i write.
If you believe in the quality of your work though, you need to realize that you can never please everyone, and just walk away from these types of situations.
I suspect though, At Dirt headquarters any publicity for them is good publicity.
Loxus
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The reason I said 2.5 is because it comes from Redtechgaming.
He been saying both the GPU and CPU has features from RDNA 3 and Zen 3.
He have a pretty good track record with his sources.
So far the PS5 has been shown to be feature rich, from hardware to software.
There is no reason to dismiss this.
sircaw
Banned
Are you saying winter is coming, cos remember what happened last time that happened, either someone really hated game of thrones or i need to get my thermal underwear out this year, and fuck me i look sexy in it.
sircaw
Banned
because MS make great games, make bethesda great again
What is the game second row on the right with a zero score? Fable legends?
sircaw
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Empire Strikes Back
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It's a Microsoft game, yes. It's a Xbox Game Studios game? Never. Mojang will outlive Xbox really easily.
That's kinda the point of the whole Bethesda debacle, people are expecting it to be something like Mojang where they make profit of every platform but still take part in things like Game Pass... But no, somehow they are more focused on the ego of "I have it, you don't" to make the most money of it.
Empire Strikes Back
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I just keep remembering that id software guy that complained about the memory in the new consoles... Now he has to work with the XSS forevah!!! That's fucking evil!!
Mr. PlayStation
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captainraincoat
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Variety is a pretty good thing...i enjoyed quite a few of those games...i also enjoyed pretty much every game on this list also...call me a gaming whorebecause MS make great games, make bethesda great again
ps5 is looking pretty good for some real variety this gen and xbox is also set to have some good games
Great time to be a gamer
EDIT of the games on this list i would love to see the Days Gone expanded in the same direction as State of Decay but keeps its strong story....it would be a fun multplayer game
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M1chl
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I saw "Go" unit even on box of X1X/PS4pro, what does it means, GB? It's in different language or something?
Empire Strikes Back
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Snowdonhoffen
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The real reason they bought Bethesda was to punish that dev for...EVER.
Elog
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I think we have three possible CU outcomes in 9 days or so:
1) RDNA2 CUs have a very similar transistor layout with the added RT blocks as RDNA1. Power efficiency etc comes primarily from the new fab node. This would explain the XSX CU layout and naturally the PS5 will also use the same CU layout.
2) RDNA2 CUs have a different transistor layout than RDNA1 which means that the XSX uses the RDNA1 layout but with the added efficiency (as seen in frequency) from the upgraded fab node and other RDNA2 features. PS5 uses the same RDNA1 layout for the CUs with RT added on top.
3) RDNA2 CUs have a different transistor layout than RDNA1 which means that the XSX uses the RDNA1 layout but with the added efficiency (as seen in frequency) from the upgraded fab node and other RDNA2 features. PS5 uses the new RDNA2 transistor layout for the CUs including RT.
Option 3 would explain the lack of RT data in the PS5 github leak. RDNA2 CUs were still in (co)-development and for the test silicon iterations the RDNA1 CUs were used as placeholders to test other functionalities.
I can honestly not say what I think the most likely option is.
1) RDNA2 CUs have a very similar transistor layout with the added RT blocks as RDNA1. Power efficiency etc comes primarily from the new fab node. This would explain the XSX CU layout and naturally the PS5 will also use the same CU layout.
2) RDNA2 CUs have a different transistor layout than RDNA1 which means that the XSX uses the RDNA1 layout but with the added efficiency (as seen in frequency) from the upgraded fab node and other RDNA2 features. PS5 uses the same RDNA1 layout for the CUs with RT added on top.
3) RDNA2 CUs have a different transistor layout than RDNA1 which means that the XSX uses the RDNA1 layout but with the added efficiency (as seen in frequency) from the upgraded fab node and other RDNA2 features. PS5 uses the new RDNA2 transistor layout for the CUs including RT.
Option 3 would explain the lack of RT data in the PS5 github leak. RDNA2 CUs were still in (co)-development and for the test silicon iterations the RDNA1 CUs were used as placeholders to test other functionalities.
I can honestly not say what I think the most likely option is.
MasterCornholio
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Cerny said the CUs were RDNA2 CUs. Maybe this helps with your theory?
FranXico
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He can go work elsewhere.
Elog
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I firmly believe it is either option 1 or 3. My gut actually pushes towards option 3 since that would create a logic to the lack of RT data from the Oberon leaks.
M1chl
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Great thanks : )
MasterCornholio
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That would make sense. I remember a while ago someone said that AMD didn't have the hardware ready which is why it was missing from GitHub. After Marks presentation we know it has hardware based Ray tracing further proven by the use of ray tracing in some PS5 games.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Well Skyrim came out initially on PS3. If you combine those sales with the PS4 sales including the VR version, they are pretty close in numbers. Regardless, ES is the bigger franchise overall when considering all platforms.
List of best-selling PlayStation 4 video games - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I know it's Wiki. You can dismiss it if you wish, but I'm happy to see another source showing Skyrim on PS4 outsold GoW. Sales of the actual game would be the metric. Skyrim doesn't even appear in the top2029
MasterCornholio
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Seems like we are getting news every week about the PS5.
What do you think we will get this week?
I'm guessing maybe another look at the UI since they teased additional features.
What do you think we will get this week?
I'm guessing maybe another look at the UI since they teased additional features.
lepermessiah
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Rocco Schiavone
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I hope this is the week where we get finally Destruction Allstars gameplay.
dimaveshkin
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I hope it's new footage of either Destruction AllStars or BE games running with Game Boost (patch Bloodborne ffs!).
geordiemp
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PS5 can adjust fan speed according to diverse areas that are hot, cold, dusty, and so on with a system update if needed. Interesting
Why is it intersting to you, applies to every console via updates and temps that are seen.
Replace ps5 with another console of your choice, same.
Water is wet.
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MasterCornholio
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Well I hope they tell us which games will benefit from that. Also a list of games that are getting PS5 patches would be nice as well.
AeneaGames
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Nah, if you have too many devices for your TV to handle you would need something like that hdmi hub as well. The kbm switcher is not needed normally but mighty handy when chatting with others in certain games.
The monitor I did like this simply due to my illness but it's rather fantastic, haha
geordiemp
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What is 10GO lol and why does the story end if you dont understand ?
You realise the Navi22 40 CU and 2.4 GHz is using a 192 bit bus, as it will have a bigger L2 cache.
L2 bandwidth data is well over 2 TB/s, its on a different scale to memory bandwidth
, it almost makes memory bandwitdh speed requirement redundant.If you want some simple numbers 3 TB/s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 560 Gb/s >> 448 GB/s > 336 GB/s
L2 data access is over 600 % faster. Does the story end of begin ?
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jasondefaoite
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The original question was would folks be willing to give up GoW for ES, since going forward ES won't be on PlayStation. It's a question for PlayStation owners. Sales indicate your thoughts on this are wrong. The only reason you now mention all platforms is the numbers don't support your argument.
FranXico
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Where did you get that 12 from? The PS5 has the full 16GB at the same bandwidth.
EliteClarity
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First time back for years and everyone is still talking big words
On a side note, I have 3658 pages to read so....Huzzah!
On a side note, I have 3658 pages to read so....Huzzah!
GreyHand23
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Variety is a pretty good thing...i enjoyed quite a few of those games...i also enjoyed pretty much every game on this list also...call me a gaming whore
ps5 is looking pretty good for some real variety this gen and xbox is also set to have some good games
Great time to be a gamer
EDIT of the games on this list i would love to see the Days Gone expanded in the same direction as State of Decay but keeps its strong story....it would be a fun multplayer game
Upset that those games have better looking trees than Next gen Halo Infinite? What do you have against nature?
Dodkrake
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You're wrong but:
Series X = 10GB @560GB/s and 6GB @336GB/s
PS5 = 16GB @448GB/s
End of story i guess
DaGwaphics
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It sounds like the soundtrack is on 8-track in here with the endless repetition.
I guess with all the extra cache (most transistor dense area of a chip) and the better process node, the PS5 APU must be a tiny 12bT design, must really smack the XSX design in transistor density per mm2.
I guess with all the extra cache (most transistor dense area of a chip) and the better process node, the PS5 APU must be a tiny 12bT design, must really smack the XSX design in transistor density per mm2.
Bo_Hazem
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Bo_Hazem fyi PS5 pre orders are available in KSA, but the pre order price is $610 US$ over there, isn't it more expensive than how much you were able to secure a pre order for in your homeland?
Yes they have 15% VAT, that's the final price. We're getting VAT for the first time even next April, and it'll be 5%. Currently, there is no VAT and it's priced at $559.
geordiemp
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It sounds like the soundtrack is on 8-track in here with the endless repetition.
I guess with all the extra cache (most transistor dense area of a chip) and the better process node, the PS5 APU must be a tiny 12bT design, must really smack the XSX design in transistor density per mm2.
No. The 2 die are quite similar, 308 vs 360 mm2, which leaves space unaccounted for with 2 Phy and the 16 CU....
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FranXico
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Wow, awen't you the expewt. You suwe taught them!It sounds like the soundtrack is on 8-track in here with the endless repetition.
I guess with all the extra cache (most transistor dense area of a chip) and the better process node, the PS5 APU must be a tiny 12bT design, must really smack the XSX design in transistor density per mm2.
LivingD3AD
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Your sarcasm detector is a mess
DaGwaphics
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?????????
I don't follow. Looks like there is an allowance of about 52mm2 for those differences. How much room do you figure that both take up (CUs being one of the smaller components of the GPU) and both GPUs having the same ROPs and basic front/back-end as we know so far. It's not like the entire GPU is 40% bigger on the XSX, just CUs. Just trying to get a guess going in my head for how big the iF cache is on PS5.
Bo_Hazem
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That's interesting. But how can they do that with PS4? Maybe they pre-do it in-engine so it's already being in a fixed status instead of being dynamically done? Thanks for the input.
geordiemp
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Its too hard, as even comparing with XSX both have unique audio silicon, XSX as 2 extra PHY memory controller and teh 16 CU, Ps5 has cache scriubbers, XSX has silicon for operating in server mode.
My guess was 16 MB, could be 8 could be more, it will be a multiple of 4 anyway lol.
XSX has 5 MB, which is just scaeld by PHY memory controllers from 4 mB of 5700. Ps5 will likely have more, as why bother with cache scrubbers and cache coherency and super fast 2.23 Ghz would not feed them would not be performant and does not match what we have seen.
Also the ps5 ray tracing would likely not be possible at performance seen on a console if going to RAM but who knows.
Thats my take.
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Elog
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One problem is that we do not know the exact die size of the PS5. We have indirect measurements between 305-325mm2 - big difference for this specific calculation.
Great Hair
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DaGwaphics
Member
True. That's why I was wondering if the PS5 chip could actually be smaller than estimated. I remember original estimates for the XSX chip pegged it a 400mm2. But it could be larger too. The 12b transistors is the only thing official we have from Sony right?
As @geordiemp mentioned, probably too many differences for a direct comparison. But since we have the XSS chip that, in comparison to PS5, features half the memory bandwidth, 40% fewer CUs and just one shader engine at 197mm and then the XSX chip with 25% more bandwidth and 40% more CUs at 360mm2, people ore going to try and make things fit.
KingT731
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This list has very outdated numbers mostly on part that a lot of devs haven't published recent sales figures or at all in some cases.List of best-selling PlayStation 4 video games - Wikipedia
I know it's Wiki. You can dismiss it if you wish, but I'm happy to see another source showing Skyrim on PS4 outsold GoW. Sales of the actual game would be the metric. Skyrim doesn't even appear in the top2029
Lysandros
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That's pretty big if it's true..According to, it may have less than 10GB at full 560GB.
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