martino
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try to say this when ps5 will sell a lot
try to say this when ps5 will sell a lot
Switch isnt console, technically.
It is handheld-tv-out-"console" hybrid and also handheld (lite)
Imo it is not logical to compare that into real home consoles, real as in permanently connected to tv.
I don't think that's true. The Switch just broke a record that was held by the 360, and a big reason why the 360 held that record was because Microsoft were influenced by Nintendo into creating Kinect.Games sell systems. There's no question the ability to make it portable helps too. Though using that to try and devalue its success is like saying the PS2 wasn't really successful because most people bought it to play DVDs.
Good for them but just like with the Wii I don't think it's going to change the market. I think their ability to influence the rest of the market died when the motion control gimmick never translated beyond the Wii. And you can tell how much it died because even they aren't pursuing it anymore.
I don't think that's true. The Switch just broke a record that was held by the 360, and a big reason why the 360 held that record was because Microsoft were influenced by Nintendo into creating Kinect.
It really is the "Chad" console isn't it? The other guys try so hard and Switch effortlessly outdoes them using good fundamentals. Just shows up with good games, nice price and a useful gimmick and everyone loves it.
And the few who don't love it hate it bitterly from the shadows.
Has there ever been such a console? Breaking records left and right yet having almost no impact on the gaming landscape?
I agree, especially with the bolded sentence. I harp about it all the time because I feel like no one else is doing it, but the hardware race has brought us a market where only "safe" games are produced anymore. Now you mostly just have indies taking risks, with few 'AA' games to speak of. I don't think the Switch landscape is perfect in this regard either, but I'm glad that it's there to call attention to the fact that sky-high development costs are not at all necessary for success outside of the indie space.This was my exact thought, particularly after observing the bitter war between the other two consoles this year. All that effort, all that arguing, and in reality, Switch has been the console in sales for the last two years.
That’s with the caveat of older consoles, but I’m not sure it’ll change for PS5.
Personally, I think the industry has trend-followed into much less interesting games, wherein outside of a few superstars, gaming feels like a major regression from the past generations. That does not extend to Nintendo, and that’s the biggest reason why I think they’re doing so well. Gaming on Switch is being hit with a blast of sheer, classic fun.
The versatility of the console is also a genuine step forward. Everyone from children to adults live busy lives these days, and something that can keep up with that, makes gaming a constant, awesome companion.
But it’s mostly the fun, imo. Never underestimate the power of bringing people sheer joy.
Hmm, the Nintendo Switch seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. But why its so popular?
It really is the "Chad" console isn't it? The other guys try so hard and Switch effortlessly outdoes them using good fundamentals. Just shows up with good games, nice price and a useful gimmick and everyone loves it.
And the few who don't love it hate it bitterly from the shadows.
I think it's more of the "companion" console to an extent. A large portion of Switch owners are not "Switch Only"The blue ocean strategy paying off. While Microsoft and Sony bitterly compete for the same piece of the pie, Nintendo is out there, finding fresh catch.
Well deserved success, the switch is a very nice console to own with the sole exception of the online functionality being offloaded onto yourphone.
I think it's more of the "companion" console to an extent. A large portion of Switch owners are not "Switch Only"
My point was that the Kinect proves that Nintendo impacted the market. I wasn't talking about the quality of the Kinect itself.how many tampons have been sold? how many rolls of toilet paper?
the fact that it has sold a lot only proves the need to dispose of human beings more unfortunate, shameful practices
and don't even begin to tell me that kinect was anything but a regrettable cash grab! harumphf!
He's just saying it's better to compare it to handhelds...
I agree with this.
My point was that the Kinect proves that Nintendo impacted the market. I wasn't talking about the quality of the Kinect itself.
I mean there is no reason this would change in the rest of 2020 and at least the first couple of months of 2021.
exclusives
- Pikmin 3 Deluxe
- Mario Kart Live
- Age of Calamity
- Bravely Default 2
- Breath of the Wild 2
- Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury
- Monster Hunter Rise
- Monster Hunter Stories 2
- Rune Factory 5
- SMT V
- Bayonetta 3
The Switch is still at full price, they could drop $50 off the Lite and OG model and still be making a profit on hardware. Lite is what has allowed them to actually expand production since it's simple to manufacture and they could diversify the supply chain into Vietnam. I expect them to get around 30 million sales WW for the year and to outperform the new consoles in the next 4 months(minimum).
With the new consoles competing with each other Switch has carved out its own piece of the market in North America, and we will only see this change as some major games release on the new consoles. So far I don't really see something earth-shattering from Microsoft or Sony announced in the first 6 months for them to outperform the Switch. So we might be looking at around 29 months at the top for the Switch before we can realistically expect supply of the new consoles to be at the needed level and a major title to drop on them.
There is also a potential revision coming in 2021, which could provide further justification to expect 2021 to be similar to 2020 in terms of hardware sales for the Switch. Honestly this year in North America it seems demand is still not met, even at the moment as they are very close to setting records in North America the Switch continues to be resold at about $60 above market value. Animal Crossing's bundle is back in stock, Ring Fit supply is finally sorted now that it's officially launched in China and you no longer need to buy it above market price, Super Mario 3D All-Stars just set a record for a 3D Mario game, Age of Calamity is set to be Koei Tecmo's best selling game in a lot of countries. I won't be surprised if Animal Crossing, Ring Fit, Super Mario 3D All-Stars and Age of Calamity end up very high in the NPD rankings for both November and December. I actually expect that if they keep the AC Bundle for the holidays, New Horizon to end up the best selling game in December.
I must be the only person who isn’t interested in anything remotely Nintendo and haven’t been since the 64
I don't know, I'd be interested in seeing some hard numbers on that.
this hurts @EviLore
They can market it however they want, doesn't make it a home console. Everyone knows it's a portable. If it wasn't a portable, absolutely no one would be astonished by its very weak hardware.It's still a console marketed in the same space as the machines from Sony and Microsoft's machines.
People ranting “bu bu butttt it’s a handheld! Totally not a real console!” in Switch success threads are always great fun.
I mean, it’s the textbook example of being pedantic because you’re a butthurt stan with an agenda.
The way some of you go so vehemently about this, it’s like you’re sweating bullets in fear that Horizon may one day come to a Nintendo system (like you wouldn’t inevitably mock the lower performance of such an already impossible port for decades to come, lol). Some people really act like Switch selling half a unit more than PS4 when all is said and done is gonna open the seven pits of hell.
I can’t be bothered to comb through the Internet to prove it happened, but I‘d be surprised if no one ever called the PSP or the Vita a home console that only lacks TV connectivity, lol.
Switch is just doing well, people. Relax. In a month or two you’ll have your shiny new toy, and this time next year you won’t allow us breathing room with all the PS5 success threads. Let people enjoy things.
They can market it however they want, doesn't make it a home console. Everyone knows it's a portable. If it wasn't a portable, absolutely no one would be astonished by its very weak hardware.
Fact is, many of us are surprised by how good it is as a portable, such a powerful portable, how this portable can play current gen ports, best thing since the Vita, and so on. But it seems to me the narrative changes to suit the situation.
Matter of fact, if it wasn't a portable, it wouldn't have sold half the amount it sold. I'd say even a quarter. What'd be attractive about it then? It'd just be the weakest link with nothing to add. Just solely relying on its games, which I don't think would work. Nintendo always did best with its portables, selling crazy amounts compared to its home consoles. Wii was the only outlier because of the wiimotes.
It'd just be fair if it's properly marketed as a portable device sitting in its own corner eating up sales, just like all its portable siblings before it. Except this time it has no competition. It's the only portable dedicated gaming device.
This comment shows why gamers are a lost cause...
The Switch will probably outsell the ps5 and series X in NOV, Dec,
mcdonalds is also a very popular restaurant. that doesn't mean it's any good
Yeah, I wonder if the next device will be a Switch 2 or a new idea. You'd imagine it would be a Switch 2, but I'm not sure when it comes to Nintendo, they're unpredictable and that's partly why I like them.
I think they can make a really awesome Switch 2, especially with the level of confidence Switch gave them, and of course the available tech that they can leverage.
People people people, please stop buying the Switch... It's over 3 years old and Nintendo still refuses to drop the price or offer a respectable sale on it. I've been waiting for it to drop down to around $200 since it released, but nooOOoo! Ugh Nintendo is such a money whore company. And no the cheapo switch lite version that won't hook up to a tv doesn't count. And my gripe includes game pricing too.
I think Switch will come top in November for units but behind PS5 for revenue.The Switch will probably outsell the ps5 and series X in NOV, Dec,
They can market it however they want, doesn't make it a home console. Everyone knows it's a portable. If it wasn't a portable, absolutely no one would be astonished by its very weak hardware.
Fact is, many of us are surprised by how good it is as a portable, such a powerful portable, how this portable can play current gen ports, best thing since the Vita, and so on. But it seems to me the narrative changes to suit the situation.
Matter of fact, if it wasn't a portable, it wouldn't have sold half the amount it sold. I'd say even a quarter. What'd be attractive about it then? It'd just be the weakest link with nothing to add. Just solely relying on its games, which I don't think would work. Nintendo always did best with its portables, selling crazy amounts compared to its home consoles. Wii was the only outlier because of the wiimotes.
It'd just be fair if it's properly marketed as a portable device sitting in its own corner eating up sales, just like all its portable siblings before it. Except this time it has no competition. It's the only portable dedicated gaming device.
Some people say the Switch isn’t a console, and I see the reasoning, and it makes sense.
From my point of view, when I pick up a controller, hold the home button to turn it on, enjoy pretty (well, mostly first party, lol) games that look fantastic on my 4K display despite 1080p, have access to all the features of a console...
What exactly is the difference? I’m fundamentally gaming in the exact same way I do on the other systems, except I can yank it out and take it with me. Is a console defined by the pixels it can produce? Is the PS3, weaker than the Switch, no longer considered a console?
I can see both perspectives on this, but in my experience, I don’t feel like I’m playing a handheld masquerading as a console. I feel like I’m playing a console that also has portability.
In fact, to me, the Switch feels ‘console first’. It isn’t quite as trim, light, and pick-up-and-play as handhelds like the PSP or GBA, something which the Switch Lite picked up on to great effect. It feels more like a tablet packed with features to keep the console experience (multiplayer, separate display) intact on the go, even coming in at a hefty price versus prior handhelds, and with genuinely surprising visual capability for that segment (especially Nintendo handhelds).
It’s all a matter of perspective of course, but it seemed interesting, and I wanted to weigh in.