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[jigglet]

Boot up times for games: it's great, no complaints there. Way better than my PC, I have the best Samsung NVMe (970 evo) and it still takes me 1m 40s to load R6 Siege. It proves the point that a game not developed for this tech has shit all benefits.

But switching between games? The demos I saw still took upwards of 17 seconds to swap to a 20 year old OG Xbox game. I was hoping for Alt+Tab level speed. When I'm playing a game with lots of down time on PC (matchmaking, grinding) I often have a second game loaded....which I can swap to in literally less than a second by Alt+Tabbing. So even if PS5 is 50% faster, that's still nearly 10 seconds?! (I know PS5's SSD isn't 50% faster I'm just making a point).

As I said I have one of the top end PC NVMe's and it's slow as fuck so this is not "PC Master Race" BS. I don't expect a single one of my PC games to benefit from next-gen console like loading until well after consoles been optimised for this. I'm just disappointed that nearly 20 seconds of loading time is being billed as "almost instant"?! Instant my ass.

 

[Hendrick's]

Boot up time: it's great, no complaints there. Way better than my PC, I have the best Samsung NVMe (970 evo) and it still takes me 1m 40s to load R6 Siege. It proves the point that a game not developed for this tech has shit all benefits.

But switching between games? The demos I saw still took upwards of 17 seconds to swap to a 20 year old OG Xbox game. I was hoping for Alt+Tab level speed. When I'm playing a game with lots of down time on PC (matchmaking, grinding) I often have a second game loaded....which I can swap to in literally less than a second by Alt+Tabbing. So even if PS5 is 50% faster, that's still nearly 10 seconds?! (I know PS5's SSD isn't 50% faster I'm just making a point).

As I said I have one of the top end PC NVMe's and it's slow as fuck so this is not "PC Master Race" BS. I expect none of my PC games to benefit from next-gen console like loading until well after consoles been optimised for this. I'm just disappointed that nearly 20 seconds of loading time is being billed as "almost instant"?! Instant my ass.

Doesn't it need to take the current game state from ram > copy to SSD, then copy new game state from SSD > back into RAM? Don't see that being instant anytime soon.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

What did you expect? These are current-gen games not designed with SSDs in mind, that still function on the expectation of platter drives being the norm, right at the heart of their code. Just throwing in faster drives means literally nothing for the games unless they're reworked and optimized to utilize such things.

It's next-gen games, leveraging PS5 SSD I/O and the Series' XvA systems, that will actually start showing what their I/O systems can truly do. Even aside that, the fact unoptimized games are still getting drastically shorter load times through raw hardware alone is impressive and appreciated.

 

[Riky]

Quick resume looked good to me, you can even resume after your console has been unplugged. Light years ahead of my Xbox One X at least.

 

[KingXtreme81]

You're talking about an "OG Xbox game" which does not benefit from the Velocity architecture, hence your disappointment. Wait until the next-gen only games to arrive, then swamp between them in order to get the real and full benefits.

 

[Great Hair]

(I know PS5's SSD isn't 50% faster I'm just making a point).

XSX SSD 2.4GB/s | 100%
PS5 SSD 5.5GB/s | 229% +129% "more than double"

Also we have not seen any quick resume on PS5 as of yet, we don't know it even comes with that useless feature. Why would i be running 14 different games at once? This feature is so pointless, i don't get the appeal of it.

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games? I have never done that in the past 20+ years. Why would i?

 

[jigglet]

What did you expect?

Alt+Tab times on my PC basically.

 

[cormack12]

There's so many variables in restoring a game though, from reconnecting to servers for licenses, reconnecting to play servers etc.

Suspend/Resume isn't meant to be alt/tab. It's the equiavlent of quicksave, restart game, load quicksave.

 

[jigglet]

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games?

10? No, but I generally have 2 running. Two on my PC, or one on my PC / console and one on my phone for down time (e.g. match making, or while waiting for squad mates to finish working on their loadouts).

 

[Dolomite]

What did you expect? These are current-gen games not designed with SSDs in mind, that still function on the expectation of platter drives being the norm, right at the heart of their code. Just throwing in faster drives means literally nothing for the games unless they're reworked and optimized to utilize such things.

It's next-gen games, leveraging PS5 SSD I/O and the Series' XvA systems, that will actually start showing what their I/O systems can truly do. Even aside that, the fact unoptimized games are still getting drastically shorter load times through raw hardware alone is impressive and appreciated.

 

[reksveks]

How much ram do you have in your pc?

It's basically apple to orange comparison.

 

[Stuart360]

Its still way quicker than any of my SSD's on PC. And thats awesome for consoles. I think you have to remember where you coming from, like Witcher 3 with its 1-2mil loading, and nearly as long when fast travelling..
I suppose i'm lucky in a way as i'm old enough to remember installing games from a tape on the Amstrad CPC464, that would take like 15mins lol. Losding times have never been something that really bothers me over the years (within reason obviously).

 

[jigglet]

You're talking about an "OG Xbox game" which does not benefit from the Velocity architecture, hence your disappointment. Wait until the next-gen only games to arrive, then swamp between them in order to get the real and full benefits.

Sure, and you know if that's the case then I'd be happy to say that I'm wrong.

What irritates me though is people in this thread calling it a useless feature, but will be sure to jump all over it if MS / Sony does reduce the swap time down to a few seconds. This ain't a useless feature, it's one of my most anticipated, actually.

 

[Riky]

XSX SSD 2.4GB/s | 100%
PS5 SSD 5.5GB/s | 229% +129% "more than double"

Also we have not seen any quick resume on PS5 as of yet, we don't know it even comes with that useless feature. Why would i be running 14 different games at once? This feature is so pointless, i don't get the appeal of it.

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games? I have never done that in the past 20+ years. Why would i?

Most people will have three or four games on the go at any one time, maybe less. Being able to switch between them in seconds is hardly useless.

 

[Black_Stride]

There was literally a thread yesterday that said this feature is actually a piece of shit and people would rather NOT have it all.

Today we have a thread saying the feature is great but I want it to be even faster.

So which is it GAF, i need to know what im shitting on.

Is Quick Resume a shitty feature that no one will use because we only play one game at a time.

Or

Is Quick Resume a great feature we just need it to be even more fasterer!

 

[truth411]

XSX SSD 2.4GB/s | 100%
PS5 SSD 5.5GB/s | 229% +129% "more than double"

Also we have not seen any quick resume on PS5 as of yet, we don't know it even comes with that useless feature. Why would i be running 14 different games at once? This feature is so pointless, i don't get the appeal of it.

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games? I have never done that in the past 20+ years. Why would i?

Its not useless, though 14 is a bit much, I think the ability to Quick Resume between 5 games would be a sweet spot. More than that would consume more SSD space to the OS.

 

[jigglet]

There was literally a thread yesterday that said this feature is actually a piece of shit and people would rather NOT have it all.

Today we have a thread saying the feature is great but I want it to be even faster.

So which is it GAF, i need to know what im shitting on.

Is Quick Resume a shitty feature that no one will use because we only play one game at a time.

Or

Is Quick Resume a great feature we just need it to be even more fasterer!

So do I really need to tell you that the guy that posted that and I are not the same people?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

XSX SSD 2.4GB/s | 100%
PS5 SSD 5.5GB/s | 229% +129% "more than double"

Also we have not seen any quick resume on PS5 as of yet, we don't know it even comes with that useless feature. Why would i be running 14 different games at once? This feature is so pointless, i don't get the appeal of it.

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games? I have never done that in the past 20+ years. Why would i?

My thoughts exactly. I don't need something to make it super quick to switch between games. The SSD alone will make games load so quickly that it will largely not matter.

 

[WelshBluebird]

Why were you expecting alt tab like speed?
Alt tab keeps applications in memory. That means you are limited by how much RAM you have and how much memory each game takes up.
Quick Resume on the Xbox (and any potential PS5 version) literally dumps RAM to the SSD and back again. That means you are not limited by how much RAM is in the system but by the amount of space on the SSD available for the feature.
They are totally different concepts.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

I can get a lot done in 17 seconds

 

[reforen]

Boot up times for games: it's great, no complaints there. Way better than my PC, I have the best Samsung NVMe (970 evo) and it still takes me 1m 40s to load R6 Siege. It proves the point that a game not developed for this tech has shit all benefits.

But switching between games? The demos I saw still took upwards of 17 seconds to swap to a 20 year old OG Xbox game. I was hoping for Alt+Tab level speed. When I'm playing a game with lots of down time on PC (matchmaking, grinding) I often have a second game loaded....which I can swap to in literally less than a second by Alt+Tabbing. So even if PS5 is 50% faster, that's still nearly 10 seconds?! (I know PS5's SSD isn't 50% faster I'm just making a point).

As I said I have one of the top end PC NVMe's and it's slow as fuck so this is not "PC Master Race" BS. I don't expect a single one of my PC games to benefit from next-gen console like loading until well after consoles been optimised for this. I'm just disappointed that nearly 20 seconds of loading time is being billed as "almost instant"?! Instant my ass.

During the demos none of the games took more than 10 seconds to load thru quick resume, what are you talking about? if you are a PC gamer why you care about consoles?

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Man, op is the definition of first world problems.

 

[jigglet]

During the demos none of the games took more than 10 seconds to load thru quick resume, what are you talking about?

Watch the Linus video, he had one that took 17 seconds. The Allanah Pierce one also had a few in this ballpark I think.

if you are a PC gamer why you care about consoles?

I specifically said my PC is slower than these consoles in the OP, and that this is not intended to be a PC MR post, but yet you want to make it one? Fanboy much? I owned every console this gen + PC.

 

[Black_Stride]

So do I really need to tell you that the guy that posted that and I are not the same people?

On Topic.
Ill attest it to needing the write the current state to drive, then read the last games state into memory, then prepare background utilities needed to run the game to actually start up as to why it isnt instantaneous.

 

[CircleOfFire]

There was literally a thread yesterday that said this feature is actually a piece of shit and people would rather NOT have it all.

Today we have a thread saying the feature is great but I want it to be even faster.

So which is it GAF, i need to know what im shitting on.

Is Quick Resume a shitty feature that no one will use because we only play one game at a time.

Or

Is Quick Resume a great feature we just need it to be even more fasterer!

Schrödinger's forum, you have to be outraged and outraged at the same time.

 

[Mistershine.]

Alt+Tab times on my PC basically.

The quick resume is more akin to having several VMs, each running a different game, and saving one before opening another.

In fact that's literally what happens on the xbox as all games are running inside a VM, it's why BC is so easy.

 

[VeganElduderino]

The fucking things are not even out yet and all people do is complain lol

 

[MiguelItUp]

Really? I've actually been impressed but I'm comparing it to the previous console gen, rather than anything in the PC world. That's really what they're hyping. It's fast AF compared to previous gen. That's really it.

The fucking things are not even out yet and all people do is complain lol

The modern age in a nutshell, lmao.

 

[ipukespiders]

Having the attention span of a gnat is a thing.

 

[NullZ3r0]

What you assume is a single operation is likely multiple steps.

Here's what happens (in general) when you switch games on Series X.

• A snapshot of the contents of system memory for the current game is taken and then written to disk.
• The snapshot for the new game is copied from disk and written to memory.

The fact that all of this happens in less than 20 seconds is amazing.

 

[Aggressive Carrot]

The time it takes to switch between older games doesn't bother me. Twenty seconds for a 20 year old is pretty good if you ask me.

 

[The Cockatrice]

First world problems. Jesus fuck.

 

[Concern]

XSX SSD 2.4GB/s | 100%
PS5 SSD 5.5GB/s | 229% +129% "more than double"

Also we have not seen any quick resume on PS5 as of yet, we don't know it even comes with that useless feature. Why would i be running 14 different games at once? This feature is so pointless, i don't get the appeal of it.

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games? I have never done that in the past 20+ years. Why would i?

Please keep that same opinion when its announced for Ps5.

OP: I'll take any improvements over what we had last gen and before. But I've always been skeptical on this ssd "magic". At first it was "no more load times". Now its "almost instant" and the closer to launch we get, the more it will change.

 

[Neo_game]

It is a big improvement but I agree they hyped it way too much as usual. There will be games which loads in few secs. Let us wait and see.

 

[sinnergy]

I thought it would be instant like snes carts ?!

But it’s more like street fighter alpha on snes.

 

[TonyK]

Another person than doesn't understand what quick resume is.

 

[01011001]

the game needs to be written to the SSD and then the other game has to be loaded off of the SSD.

write speeds will be slower on these systems than read speeds. you will notice how the Series X loads a suspended game really fast after it boots up and no other game is running.

in Alanah Pearce's video you can see that after a cold boot, Ori loads up in less than 3 seconds.

when she goes from Crackdown 3 to Ori this goes up to almost 8 seconds.

5 seconds writing the game state, 3 seconds reading the game state

going from one game to the other takes significantly longer

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I think people comparing PC load times should remember that NTFS is probably the main culprit, that file system is heavy.

 

[MarkMe2525]

I feel like this could have been a comment in the next gen thread and not a separate post. Of course it would be awesome for it to be instant but that's not what we are getting. It is still a huge improvement.

 

[CobraAB]

Well, stick with your PS4 or XBox one then.

 

[RPSleon]

XSX SSD 2.4GB/s | 100%
PS5 SSD 5.5GB/s | 229% +129% "more than double"

Also we have not seen any quick resume on PS5 as of yet, we don't know it even comes with that useless feature. Why would i be running 14 different games at once? This feature is so pointless, i don't get the appeal of it.

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games? I have never done that in the past 20+ years. Why would i?

I love when people dont like something, so really try hard to make it seem stupid by exaggerating it like this.
No one is trying to run 14 games.

And it doesnt take more than a few seconds thought to understand how its a useful feature.

Say you have 3 kids and they wanna play different games, good feature for that.

Or say you are playing a game and your friends ask you online to play a few rounds of cod or whatever, you can jump straight back in to your other game right after.

Itll become a feature people use alot.

Half the time on ps4 i have youtube running in the background and switch between that and a game if im taking a break to have some food or whatever.

 

[Xenon]

The demos I saw still took upwards of 17 seconds to swap to a 20 year old OG Xbox

17 whole seconds! The horror.

Speaking of Switch... WTF is up with animal crossing load times?

 

[ReBurn]

i never imagined 17 seconds being too long to swap between games not architected for the feature

for it to be instant when swapping the games would probably have to stay resident in ram all the time. dumping active ram to disk and loading it with cached data is going to take some time. with the technology being the way it is I think 17 seconds is about as good as we can expect

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

XSX SSD 2.4GB/s | 100%
PS5 SSD 5.5GB/s | 229% +129% "more than double"

Also we have not seen any quick resume on PS5 as of yet, we don't know it even comes with that useless feature. Why would i be running 14 different games at once? This feature is so pointless, i don't get the appeal of it.

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games? I have never done that in the past 20+ years. Why would i?

Couple this with the fact that sony is able to saturate the complete 5.5. gigs.

 

[bender]

That Linus video was a bit disappointing. Don't get me wrong, it's really quick but not exactly instant.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

Someone show me a system that can hold and run 5+ games at once, and resume them straight back into gameplay without hitting a single loading screen or menu, or even a game developer logo.

The Series X can do that, but i'll wait for someone else to show me why this features is useless and not worth having. Honestly, complaining about a 10 second wait time to jump straight back into gameplay is the height of first word problems seriously, take a look at yourself.

 

[RoadHazard]

What did you expect? These are current-gen games not designed with SSDs in mind, that still function on the expectation of platter drives being the norm, right at the heart of their code. Just throwing in faster drives means literally nothing for the games unless they're reworked and optimized to utilize such things.

It's next-gen games, leveraging PS5 SSD I/O and the Series' XvA systems, that will actually start showing what their I/O systems can truly do. Even aside that, the fact unoptimized games are still getting drastically shorter load times through raw hardware alone is impressive and appreciated.

That's not relevant to this discussion. This is about quick resume, which means writing the RAM content to disk. That's 100% an OS thing, has nothing to do with new or old games. New games are gonna take even longer most likely, because they will use more RAM.

I expect it to be faster on PS5. Still not instant, that's not possible, but maybe 5 seconds.

 

[Desudzer10]

Waiting 10 seconds should not be a complaint by anybody to boot up a game.

 

[Izumar]

Why do people think quick resume is just from your current play session? They seem to think it is for playing these games at once during one day.

After your first time it is the default way to load your game. That is the idea behind it. It is a save state that skips the splash/select screens in theory.

 

[Pedro Motta]

XSX SSD 2.4GB/s | 100%
PS5 SSD 5.5GB/s | 229% +129% "more than double"

Also we have not seen any quick resume on PS5 as of yet, we don't know it even comes with that useless feature. Why would i be running 14 different games at once? This feature is so pointless, i don't get the appeal of it.

How many times are you all alt+tabbing on the PC between 10 different games? I have never done that in the past 20+ years. Why would i?

You don't need that feature when you can bold boot games in 2 seconds.