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Digital Foundry Xbox Series X Back-Compat Tests "Hugely Impressive"
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
These are still consoles with hard coded settings. They were never intended to scale to this level, nor are there settings you can change. Why do I even have to explain this?
Dolomite
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Are you referencing the DF BC analysis? Didn't watch it yet so idk if they sampled Monster hunter
splattered
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I know a lot of this stuff is still in a working state and not final... curious if there will be further improvements on this stuff to up performance for these titles. I wonder how hard it will be for devs to go back and increase framerate caps or unlock them etc. I'd love to see this across the board for all titles.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
This is good too see. While it's unrealistic to expect all backwards compatibility games to have this level of improvement, this is a great step forward for consoles.
Mr. PlayStation
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And this performance gain isn’t even from the true next gen gpu architecture leap with the velocity thingie. This is just brute forcing gpu and cpu. This is just a small taste for what’s to come. Series X is looking mighty fine. If Microsoft on a system level enable the removal of frame rate/resolution cap in games, we would even be seeing 4K 60fps on say rdr 2. It’s probably the only BC game that I want to play back all over again but at higher frame rates
Stuart360
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not bad
Thats hugely impressive to say no optimization has been done here, its literally standard BC.
The game cant hold a locked 60fps, or even get close, on a 2080ti and 8700K at 5.3ghz -
Yes the PC port blows a bit, but still.
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Nikana
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Si. But now rereading the tweet he has to be talking about resolution mode as frame rate mode is not 4k.
FunkMiller
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This is an excellent point.
XSX shows Sekiro running at 60fps. If it had also shown a new game I want to play at some point before now, I would have definitely made more effort to secure a pre-order.
It's both valid to say that the XSXs backwards compatibility is an excellent showcase for its power, and also that backwards compatibility doesn't sell that many consoles - new games do, and that's what we need to see from XBox.
Nikana
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Umm what were they supposed to do different? There's a big difference between a 10% upclock on the Pro's cpu and the 400%+ uptick they are going to get on Ryzen. Hell, given the IPC differences they'll probably get more uplift on PS5 running clocked-down to PS4 speeds than Pro gets!
Its not like there are night-and-day differences between base PS4 and purose built Pro versions of any game I can think of. Its typically a higher res with a marginally improved frame rate.
Rusty Shackelford
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Microsoft and Digital Foundry are like...
Md Ray
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As Richard pointed out that there's doubling of TFLOPs, but not everything in the GPU is getting a straight 2x multiplier. Mem bandwidth for e.g. which is only a 1.72x increase over One X which I suspect is why there are frame-rate dips beneath 60fps on Series X in titles like MHunter, Hitman 2 at 4K with unlocked frame-rate. They also say that it's because they aren't fully taking advantage of the RDNA 2's architectural benefits.
PS5 will have no such problems as its memory bandwidth and TFLOPs are getting a 2.05x and 2.45x boost over PS4 Pro, respectively. So PS4 Pro games with unlocked frame-rate will stick to 60fps more doggedly on PS5 than Series X does in back-compat.
Craig of War
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Xbox Series X back-compat tested: up to double the performance in the most demanding games
UPDATE: Sometimes, we just can't leave well enough alone. I returned to Xbox Series X to take a look at more Xbox One a…
www.eurogamer.net
From the Article:
System level feature can be toggled on/off:
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Andodalf
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Sure, a 1440p Pro game on PS5 will probably run better than it's 4k OX version does on SX
Wildstar75
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This video sucked for me. He mostly covered the same games everybody else did. Nice to see DOA at least. He mentioned nothing regarding the Machine Learning HDR improvements other then they exist. He didn't come back and address that there was once a promise of resolution boost for fixed resolution games. He did hint of a possible 120FPS boost in the future but with nothing to back it up. Way too little information for the amount of time to watch it. The elephant in the room was not Sekiro for me, it was Deep Learning Super Sampling. Nothing about this video makes me scream I am happy I preordered a Series X.
Senua
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kingpotato
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It is definitely better with actual HDR implemented, but seems good that they are pushing to continuously improve the visuals on older titles like this.
bender
What time is it?
PS2 on PS4 was a mess (forcing end users to purchase games again be the biggest gaffe) but I'm assuming if there was demand, we would have seen more than a handful of games. No PS3 BC was disappointing but acceptable (once) as the switch from Kutaragi to Cerny as chief engineer and the drastic architecture changes most likely meant PS3 emulation was impossible. No PS2/PSOne support was more disappointing but maybe they just drew a line in the sand.
PS4 -> PS5 would be less understandable considering everything on PS4 was available digitally and the architectures are in line with one another. I do hope we see some "boost mode" like gains. PS4 is where my digital library exists and repurchasing games/reinvesting time into games is mostly out of the question. I don't have a lot of faith that the solution will be as nice as what Microsoft offers (Forza on Xbox One X via BC was amazing) but maybe Sony has a few cards left to show.
Depending on the age of the game, yes. The community almost always has you covered though.
As consoles go into a stable architecture route and maybe more mid-generation upgrades, I'd expect more graphical options on consoles games that will more easily take advantage of more powerful hardware down the line (variable resolution, uncapped frame rates, etc).
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it depends how the games are coded, anything with a variable res will in theory consistently max at whatever the highest variable res was originally, ie 4k. same applies to the framerate, a fixed/capped 30fps game will run at 30fps without a patch.
Andodalf
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..... Wut?
Insane Metal
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?????
What the fuck are you guys talking about? How is that downplaying? It is explicitly saying that the games have improved A LOT without even using the new features of the GPU, without an update.
My username is Insane but clearly you guys are insane and not me. Stop with this persecution complex.
Nikana
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Think he's referring to he HDR effect some tvs add for non HDR content. Not at all the same thing but I think that's what they are getting at?
xion4360
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they didnt say "all" they said most....and it will be disabled by MS in cases were it doesnt work well.
its often terrible and quite often NOT available in game mode...
its often terrible and quite often NOT available in game mode...
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LordOfChaos
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They should add a game based toggle to it. It helps some games but doesn't work well in others, going back to one system level toggle might be annoying. Maybe a list of every game you've played with a checkbox next to it or something.
Senua
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At ultra settings...sure.I hoped XSX will run hitman 2 at 4K 60fps, but after looking at benchmarks it makes sense why there are dips below 60fps. Guys we would need something like 3080 to really run all current gen games at 4K 60fps.
Calverz
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I agree. The content will come soon enough im sure. They need a demon souls.
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bender
What time is it?
Let's do this Marines!
And for the first time, I'm a little bummed about my 3rd party platform of choice this past generation. I've yet to tackle Iceborne.
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What? All MS has shown today are games that have a performance mode. The ps5 will do exactly the same in games with that option.
a multicultural team of v
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How would it be different? It is just interpolating colors either way, not sure why there would be a difference if the TV does it or the game (maybe other than lag)?
It makes sense that it would vary so much game to game, it just depends on how the particular colors get mapped to the new colorspace. Not really sure why I would ever want to use this though, especially if there was good art design in the first place.
Wildstar75
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That benchmark used ultra settings on PC. Xbox One X settings were below that.I hoped XSX will run hitman 2 at 4K 60fps, but after looking at benchmarks it makes sense why there are dips below 60fps. Guys we would need something like 3080 to really run all current gen games at 4K 60fps.
pawel86ck
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Keep in mind B4BPCgamer OC'ed his 2080ti to 18TF, and PC version is probably running at higher settings.
That's probably why FPS was around 60fps on average, rather than 45-50fps.
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Rikkori
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That's low/medium. It's still console settings, just uncapped. Remember there's a huge gulf in performance for different settings levels:
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Punished Miku
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Xbox Series X back-compat tested: up to double the performance in the most demanding games
UPDATE: Sometimes, we just can't leave well enough alone. I returned to Xbox Series X to take a look at more Xbox One a…
Really cool to finally see it in action. The backwards compatibility is one of the main selling points for me.
Boris The Spider
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This is all well and good but I'm still scratching my head wondering where I'm going to put these new consoles in my AV cabinet. The PS5 *might* squeeze in if it breathes out and tucks it's tummy in but I have a feeling I am going to have to dangle the XSX from the ceiling via a bit of string.
On topic, it does look pretty impressive to me. My LG 65" C9 is ready and waiting!
On topic, it does look pretty impressive to me. My LG 65" C9 is ready and waiting!
xion4360
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has sony stated that games running in BC mode will take advantage of the PS5's hardware? as far as I know they havent done that...apparently they are trying out a boost mode for some games but even thats no confirmation of the full clocks and whatnot running BC games.
Nikana
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One is an AI based learning algorithm that uses things like heat maps along with other features to help create a more believable HDR implementation where as the HDR Effect like on LG oleds simply look at colors and dynamics to try and fake it. They both are fake but one is using more more sophisticated tech.
CatLady
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It's amazing and wonderful what Xbox has accomplished with BC this gen and promises to be even better on the Series X.
The PS5 BC pales in comparison and warriors get angry and triggered when discussion turns to how great the Series X BC is going to be.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Yep. I'm just going to have to change my 10+ year old entertainment system (May try to see if I can work some magic with the shelves first). It was kind of due for it anyway, but it's absolutely obnoxious.
I actually can fit them horizontally, but... yeah. These consoles look awful horizontal.
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Compatibility mode.