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[ipukespiders]

Quick resume on multiple titles is cool.
Snap mode was also pretty cool on XBOX One when they used to have it.

Enjoy it while it's there, I suppose.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Two words, 'bottlenecks' and 'latency'.

lol oh this BS again. Exactly which bottlenecks and latency do you think are going to cause an extra 100% load times for the Xbox that Sony eliminated yet Microsoft didn't even think about?

So, without resume :

https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/2020/09/08/what-does-the-ps5-bring-to-kena-bridge-of-spirits

There's a huge difference between resuming a game that's in a suspended state mid-game and starting a game from scratch. The fact that you don't know this, don't even understand the difference, and seem to think that starting a game from scratch would take longer shows your complete and utter lack of technical knowledge on the subject.

Loading a game from scratch will always be much faster as it isn't loading an entire game in from the HDD to memory and putting it in a running state again. It's simply "loading an exe".

Quick resume on multiple titles is cool.
Snap mode was also pretty cool on XBOX One when they used to have it.

Enjoy it while it's there, I suppose.

I guess future PS5 owners should enjoy fast loading while it's there, I suppose, since OtherOS was also pretty cool on PS3 when they used to have it.

Seriously, what the actual fuck is going through some of your heads other than "sonysonysonysonysonysonysonysonysony"?

 

[jimbojim]

lol oh this BS again. Exactly which bottlenecks and latency do you think are going to cause an extra 100% load times for the Xbox that Sony eliminated yet Microsoft didn't even think about?


There's a huge difference between resuming a game that's in a suspended state mid-game and starting a game from scratch. The fact that you don't know this, don't even understand the difference, and seem to think that starting a game from scratch would take longer shows your complete and utter lack of technical knowledge on the subject.

Loading a game from scratch will always be much faster as it isn't loading an entire game in from the HDD to memory and putting it in a running state again. It's simply "loading an exe".

Wut?

Resuming game should be faster, but in this case, loading whole game from scratch from UI to starting a game is about 2 sec. on PS5. So, logic sense resume on PS5 will be even faster. A problem. It bothers you that PS5 has a faster SSD and better I/O? Don't worry, Craig will come, faster than resume

 

[MrFunSocks]

Wut?

Resuming game should be faster, but in this case, loading whole game from scratch from UI to starting a game is about 2 sec. on PS5. So, logic sense resume on PS5 will be even faster. A problem. It bothers you that PS5 has a faster SSD and better I/O? Don't worry, Craig will come, faster than resume

100000000% wrong lol.

When you first boot a game up it isn't using potentially 14GB of RAM with all assets loaded and enemy AI running and so on. When you load a game up from scratch it likely isn't loading any assets other than what's needed for the menu, which is not much. You think that the second you click to open Spiderman that it loads the entire NYC environment into RAM?

Again - the fact that you don't understand this shows that you shouldn't even be talking about this.

 

[jimbojim]

100000000% wrong lol.

When you first boot a game up it isn't using potentially 14GB of RAM with all assets loaded and enemy AI running and so on. When you load a game up from scratch it likely isn't loading any assets other than what's needed for the menu, which is not much. You think that the second you click to open Spiderman that it loads the entire NYC environment into RAM?

Again - the fact that you don't understand this shows that you shouldn't even be talking about this.

Wonder why resuming on my PS4 is faster than loading a game from scratch from UI. Yeah, you have a point..... Naaah

 

[MrFunSocks]

Wonder why resuming on my PS4 is faster than loading a game from scratch from UI. Yeah, you have a point..... Naaah

Resuming a game on the PS4 is not the same as what the Series S/X are doing lol.

On the PS4 and XB1 the games are kept in memory since you can only have 1 game suspended. It literally is running the whole time.

On the Series S/X like you're seeing in this topic, the game is stopped - it is writing the entire RAM to the SSD. Only the game that you're currently playing is loaded in the RAM. If you switch games, it dumps the entire RAM to the SSD and then loads the RAM dump from the other game into RAM from the SSD.

Understand yet?

I'm starting to think you partly got your tag just through lack of intelligence and understanding along with fanboying.

 

[Dodkrake]

4 to 6 seconds to load 8GB of RAM at most.

Best case

2GB/s load time

Worst case

1.3GB/s load time

QUANTUM VELOCITY ARCHITECTURE

 

[jimbojim]

Resuming a game on the PS4 is not the same as what the Series S/X are doing lol.

On the PS4 and XB1 the games are kept in memory since you can only have 1 game suspended. It literally is running the whole time.

On the Series S/X like you're seeing in this topic, the game is stopped - it is writing the entire RAM to the SSD. Only the game that you're currently playing is loaded in the RAM. If you switch games, it dumps the entire RAM to the SSD and then loads the RAM dump from the other game into RAM from the SSD.

Understand yet?

I'm starting to think you partly got your tag just through lack of intelligence and understanding along with fanboying.

Yeah, like Kena dev implied that resume on PS5 will be faster.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Yeah, like Kena dev implied that resume on PS5 will be faster.

We don't even know if the PS5 has multiple game resume yet lol. If it does, no, it will not be faster than starting a game from scratch. The benefit of resume is it keeps your place in the game.

4 to 6 seconds to load 8GB of RAM at most.

Best case

2GB/s load time

Worst case

1.3GB/s load time

QUANTUM VELOCITY ARCHITECTURE

You're forgetting that it has to save the current games RAM to the HDD and then load the other games RAM from the HDD.

 

[jimbojim]

We don't even know if the PS5 has multiple game resume yet lol.

If it will have, nevertheless, resume will be faster.

 

[MrFunSocks]

If it will have, nevertheless, resume will be faster.

It will probably be faster than it is on the Series S/X, correct - but it won't be faster than the 2s boot of Kena.

You really shouldn't talk about these things since you clearly get very confused and don't know what you're talking about.

 

[LittleBusters]

Where does anyone get the idea that PS5 SSD is 3x faster than XSX?

The Xbox Series X 1TB SSD is equivalent to a high-end PCIe 3.0 drive, with a throughput of 2.4GB/s which is doubled to 4.8GB/s by compression. Meanwhile the PlayStation 5's 825GB SSD fully embraces PCIe 4.0 speeds, has a throughput of 5.5GB/s, which could be improved to 8 or 9GB/s with compression

That's ~2x faster uncompressed or compressed.

 

[supernova8]

I'm all for the functionality itself but them not having a single next-gen game to show off for this functionality is not a good look.

inb4 "looool Sony didn't show anything though" - if Sony doesn't have this functionality (and it's not faster) I'll literally buy a hat and eat it.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Where does anyone get the idea that PS5 SSD is 3x faster than XSX?



That's ~2x faster uncompressed or compressed.

The magical "latency" and "bottlenecks" that supposedly Cerny is the only person in the world that knew about adds another 100% increase in load times apparently lol. I'm not even making this up, that's what they believe.

I'm all for the functionality itself but them not having a single next-gen game to show off for this functionality is not a good look.

Probably still a better look than not actually even knowing what the back side of the console looks like, right? Or ever having anyone outside of sony actually hold a console, right?

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Gamers are tired of loading times if you take away a second that’ll go far and wow gamers.

I'm positive it's a language barrier thing but when I read your post it reads as if a bot typed it out.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The magical "latency" and "bottlenecks" that supposedly Cerny is the only person in the world that knew about adds another 100% increase in load times apparently lol. I'm not even making this up, that's what they believe.


Probably still a better look than not actually even knowing what the back side of the console looks like, right? Or ever having anyone outside of sony actually hold a console, right?

Hey it's magic man again.

But seriously Cerny probably knows alot more about designing hardware than you do.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Neat feature. My daughter uses my X1X a ton so this will be nice. I wonder if the loading times are going to be so fast on PS5 that even though this feature isn't explicitly built in, it will work similarly.

 

[ManaByte]

Hey it's magic man again.

But seriously Cerny probably knows alot more about designing hardware than you do.

Both next gen systems (hell even current gen systems) are x86 based devices using AMD CPUs and GPUs with RAM and a NMVe SSDs. They're PCs. Cerny built a PC.

 

[supernova8]

Probably still a better look than not actually even knowing what the back side of the console looks like, right? Or ever having anyone outside of sony actually hold a console, right?

Oh sure I'm absolutely pining to see the back of a machine. It's the first thing I look for when buying a new gaming console.
The Digital Foundry teardown was neat but other than that... they sent out a bunch of empty casings? Cool?

You know full well the only reason they keep going on and on about the machine itself is because they have nothing of note in the games department to talk about. If they do then why aren't they?

If you honestly think this is a good PR strategy then good for you but we'll see how the sales numbers pan out.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Both next gen systems (hell even current gen systems) are x86 based devices using AMD CPUs and GPUs with RAM and a NMVe SSDs. They're PCs. Cerny built a PC.

Cerny didn't buy off the shelf parts and put them in a box. I know what building a PC is like because I did that myself.

Your oversimplifying console design.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Oh sure I'm absolutely pining to see the back of a machine. It's the first thing I look for when buying a new gaming console.
The Digital Foundry teardown was neat but other than that... they sent out a bunch of empty casings? Cool?

You know full well the only reason they keep going on and on about the machine itself is because they have nothing of note in the games department to talk about. If they do then why aren't they?

If you honestly think this is a good PR strategy then good for you but we'll see how the sales numbers pan out.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make? We know MS don't have many first party games coming in the next 1-2 years. That's not being hidden. Third party next gen only games have been shown running on the consoles so what's your point?

Of course the PS5 is going to sell more. Again - what's your point?

 

[DonF]

Let's be real. Most games nowadays have an online component, and this quick resume thing is going to boot you to the main menu in those games.

 

[ManaByte]

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make? We know MS don't have many first party games coming in the next 1-2 years. That's not being hidden. Third party next gen only games have been shown running on the consoles so what's your point?

"Xbox has no games"

 

[supernova8]

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make? We know MS don't have many first party games coming in the next 1-2 years. That's not being hidden. Third party next gen only games have been shown running on the consoles so what's your point?

Why don't they just show those third party next-gen games running on it and doing quick resume then?

Maybe the truth is it would function the same, but if so even more reason to show next-gen stuff (even if it's third party) quick resuming.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Let's be real. Most games nowadays have an online component, and this quick resume thing is going to boot you to the main menu in those games.

Hopefully they've built systems to handle reconnecting to online services. It's annoying that while PUBG is basically always suspended on my 1X whenever I open it up again it kicks me back to the very first screen and says I've been disconnected from online and then I have to go through all the loading screens and menus again. May as well not even have quick resume.

Why don't they just show those third party next-gen games running on it and doing quick resume then?

Maybe the truth is it would function the same, but if so even more reason to show next-gen stuff (even if it's third party) quick resuming.

Because it doesn't matter what the game is? lol

It's loading an entire game state from the SSD to RAM. It doesn't change based on what type of game it is lol. You're clutching mate.

 

[DavidGzz]

Resuming game should be faster, but in this case, loading whole game from scratch from UI to starting a game is about 2 sec. on PS5. So, logic sense resume on PS5 will be even faster. A problem. It bothers you that PS5 has a faster SSD and better I/O? Don't worry, Craig will come, faster than resume

IF you ever get it, this may not even be in their pipeline for now, it would be nice to have on all consoles for sure.

 

[bitbydeath]

So I had to read this three times, in order to be sure to understand 1.what it says there and 2.what you say here.
They are not the same things, not at all.
Now, I might be mistaken here (and forgive me if I am but there is a huge amount of users with that GOW avatar),
but are you the person that the other day was telling me that the SSD demo that sony showed behind closed doors, you thought it is just the ps4 spiderman running on BC?
Yeah, it just doesn't go like this. You will understand more when ps5 is released I guess.


thats SDF life in a nutshell for you

It means you can boot up straight into your save or in cases of MP straight into a match.

Yes to your second question Sony did show Spider-Man fast travel in 0.8 of a second.

 

[supernova8]

Because it doesn't matter what the game is? lol

It's loading an entire game state from the SSD to RAM. It doesn't change based on what type of game it is lol. You're clutching mate.

All the more reason to show it with next-gen titles not current-gen (or even older) ones. Shall we just agree to disagree.. mate?

 

[MrFunSocks]

All the more reason to show it with next-gen titles not current-gen (or even older) ones. Shall we just agree to disagree.. mate?

All the more reason? That doesn't make any sense. Like I said, what the games are is irrelevant, so no, it's not "all the more reason to show it with next-gen titles". That makes no sense.

Again, you seem very confused because you're talking about things you don't understand but acting like you do. Give it a rest mate.

 

[DavidGzz]

All the more reason to show it with next-gen titles not current-gen (or even older) ones. Shall we just agree to disagree.. mate?

How is MS supposed to showcase this on unfinished next gen games? I think you're being a pain because it's MS showing this feature off, if it were Sony with Ghost, TLOU2, etc you'd be ecstatic.

 

[supernova8]

All the more reason? That doesn't make any sense. Like I said, what the games are is irrelevant, so no, it's not "all the more reason to show it with next-gen titles". That makes no sense.

Again, you seem very confused because you're talking about things you don't understand but acting like you do. Give it a rest mate.

I notice you always claim people 'seem very confused' and you think that means you automatically won the argument. You didn't. You are the one who seems more confused. What I said makes perfect sense.

 

[supernova8]

How is MS supposed to showcase this on unfinished next gen games? I think you're being a pain because it's MS showing this feature off, if it were Sony with Ghost, TLOU2, etc you'd be ecstatic.

If Sony did it with current stuff I would say exactly the same thing. I have zero interest in playing PS4 games (or earlier) on a PS5.

 

[MrFunSocks]

I notice you always claim people 'seem very confused' and you think that means you automatically won the argument. You didn't. You are the one who seems more confused. What I said makes perfect sense.

What you said makes no sense. What game they use is irrelevant. It's showing that it can dump the entire RAM onto the SSD and load another games RAM dump from the SSD and restore it.

Why do you say that needs to be shown with a next gen game? What do you think that would prove that showing it working with other games doesn't?

If Sony did it with current stuff I would say exactly the same thing. I have zero interest in playing PS4 games (or earlier) on a PS5.

That's great for you, but I'll be playing XB1 and earlier games likely far more than next gen games. Horses for courses.

 

[DavidGzz]

If Sony did it with current stuff I would say exactly the same thing. I have zero interest in playing PS4 games (or earlier) on a PS5.

Ok then maybe use some logic, the next gen games aren't out and even the launch ones aren't Gold so not sure how they can have a full game downloaded and ready to be suspended. This is just a demo to show the feature off but of course no Xbox thread can go without the bickering and downplaying.

 

[ManaByte]

What you said makes no sense. What game they use is irrelevant. It's showing that it can dump the entire RAM onto the SSD and load another games RAM dump from the SSD and restore it.

Why do you say that needs to be shown with a next gen game? What do you think that would prove that showing it working with other games doesn't?



That's great for you, but I'll be playing XB1 and earlier games likely far more than next gen games. Horses for courses.

They did demo it with three gens of games:

Jedi Fallen Order and Minecraft Dungeons from the Xbox One
Skate 3 from the Xbox 360
Black from the OG Xbox

 

[Aidah]

How do they store it tho? if they slam 16gb of ram full every time and do it for all games would the SSD space for actual games not reduce drastically?

8GB at most for Series S, and it probably gets stored in system reserved space, with a limit.

 

[ipukespiders]

Seriously, what the actual fuck is going through some of your heads other than "sonysonysonysonysonysonysonysonysony"?

What the "actual" fuck are you talking about?
If anything, I'm an XBOX fanboy but they're not immune to criticism. Attack the comment, not the poster.

 

[Hendrick's]

Probably the feature I care the least about.

 

[MrFunSocks]

What the "actual" fuck are you talking about?
If anything, I'm an XBOX fanboy but they're not immune to criticism. Attack the comment, not the poster.

The comment was ridiculous. You were flat out saying that they'll remove the quick resume feature because they removed snap.

 

[SatansReverence]

Do you still think that PS5 SSD/IO is only two times as fast in real world performance, like really?

I expect the PS5 SSD/IO to be 'at least' three times as fast, yes.

Two words, 'bottlenecks' and 'latency'.

That moment the bots slither out of the spec thread and prove just how much a circlejerk of stupidity that thread is.

Do prove to us what latency and "bottlenecks" the XSX/S SSDs apparently have. I'm sure it'll be riveting fan fiction.

But seriously Cerny probably knows alot more about designing hardware than you do.

Oh yes, Mr. Cerny.

Mr. Cerny that was going to make the PS4 a 4gb console but got lucky with the price of ram dropping

Mr. Cerny that made the PS4 Jet, sorry, PS4 "pro" console

Mr. Cerny that designed a "UHD" console that increased memory speed by a whopping 25%(?) but doubling compute and thinking it was a good idea for a 4k frame buffer

But don't worry lads, he spent 2 hours talking about his loberotica, such amazing!

 

[JustP_Gaming]

They showed Spider-Man load in under a second. Also Sony actually showed next gen titles running on the console.

That was not proven to be PS5 final hardware though. The was just an example off what's possible with their SSD.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That moment the bots slither out of the spec thread and prove just how much a circlejerk of stupidity that thread is.

Do prove to us what latency and "bottlenecks" the XSX/S SSDs apparently have. I'm sure it'll be riveting fan fiction.


Oh yes, Mr. Cerny.

Mr. Cerny that was going to make the PS4 a 4gb console but got lucky with the price of ram dropping

Mr. Cerny that made the PS4 Jet, sorry, PS4 "pro" console

Mr. Cerny that designed a "UHD" console that increased memory speed by a whopping 25%(?) but doubling compute and thinking it was a good idea for a 4k frame buffer

But don't worry lads, he spent 2 hours talking about his loberotica, such amazing!

I agree the Pro could have been better but it was release a year earlier at 100$ less than the Xbox One X. As for the PS4 it was a big improvement over the PS3 especially when it comes to ease of development. They got lucky with the ram but at least they went with GDDR5 instead of DDR3 Ram.

Cerny isn't as dumb as you make him out to be. If he was I'm sure they wouldn't use him again for the PS5.

 

[SatansReverence]

Cerny isn't as dumb as you make him out to be. If he was I'm sure they wouldn't use him again for the PS5.

I never said he was dumb. Merely pointed out the fact that he isn't some amazing console designing savant with no peers like certain people around here claim.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I never said he was dumb. Merely pointed out the fact that he isn't some amazing console designing savant with no peers like certain people around here claim.

He still did a pretty good job designing the PS4 though. At least it wasn't a pain in the butt for developers like the PS3 was. But it is true that Cerny probably knows more about designing hardware than 90% of people on Gaf. That's including me BTW I look like a retard compared to him.

No console is perfect in my opinion. Each one has it's flaws.

 

[ExpandKong]

Can I play Halo MCC Halo Reach multiplayer and Xbox 360 Halo Reach multiplayer at the same time so I can armor lock and piss off twice as many people at once

answer me phil

 

[SatansReverence]

He still did a pretty good job designing the PS4 though. At least it wasn't a pain in the butt for developers like the PS3 was. But it is true that Cerny probably knows more about designing hardware than 90% of people on Gaf. That's including me BTW I look like a retard compared to him.

No console is perfect in my opinion. Each one has it's flaws.

There was quite literally not a single thing that was special about the PS4. It was pure luck that they got 8gbs of memory.

Can I play Halo MCC Halo Reach multiplayer and Xbox 360 Halo Reach multiplayer at the same time so I can armor lock and piss off twice as many people at once

answer me phil

Only bad players got mad at armour lock.

 

[MasterCornholio]

There was quite literally not a single thing that was special about the PS4. It was pure luck that they got 8gbs of memory.

That's because your not comparing it to the PS3. The biggest thing about the PS4 was that it was incredibly easy to make games for. A combination of the ICE Teams efforts and Cernys hardware choices made that possible.

 

[MrFunSocks]

That's because your not comparing it to the PS3. The biggest thing about the PS4 was that it was incredibly easy to make games for. A combination of the ICE Teams efforts and Cernys hardware choices made that possible.

No, it was easy because it was literally an APU, RAM, and a HDD. It was a low-mid spec PC. It had nothing to do with the ICE Team or anything special by Cerny.

The XB1 would have been exactly the same only they needed 8GB of RAM, whereas Sony were going to launch with 4GB. If MS only needed 4 they also would have gone GDDR5, but since they needed 8 they had to go with the slower RAM + eSRAM solution. Sony just got very lucky.

 

[MasterCornholio]

No, it was easy because it was literally an APU, RAM, and a HDD. It was a low-mid spec PC.

I have you on ignore since you said you didn't want to deal with me anymore. This is the last time your getting a response from me.

 

[ManaByte]

That's because your not comparing it to the PS3. The biggest thing about the PS4 was that it was incredibly easy to make games for. A combination of the ICE Teams efforts and Cernys hardware choices made that possible.

It was easy to develop for because they used x86, which virtually all devs are familiar with...because it's what Windows PCs use.