Agnostic2020
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I don't even understand the direction they wanna take xbox . It seems so out of focus and just throwing stuff out in hopes of it sticking
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Last response, because you are trolling and hating the whole time, I'll just put you on ignore.
That wasn't what I said. I'm saying the windows OS uses 1.5-2.5GB RAM on its own. Which is more than the bare OS of PS4/Cbox One. That's it. Have a great day!
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kyliethicc
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The future 3 pillars of Xbox will beI don't even understand the direction they wanna take xbox . It seems so out of focus and just throwing stuff out in hopes of it sticking
1. Xbox Series S (Game Pass box)
2. PC
3. Mobile phones (XCloud)
Its all about Game Pass Ultimate - GP on xbox, GP on PC, Xcloud.
I think Microsoft knew if they only launched the Series X, they'd sell maybe 25 million units lifetime. Its not worth investing hundreds of millions in R&D to sell 50% less units lifetime than Xbox One.
So they created Series S to have a better chance at the whole venture being profitable. They need the S for market share.
I can see a future where there is no Series X. Just PCs, phones, and the Game Pass Xbox. All will be part of the Xbox Game Pass ecosystem.
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BlueXImpulse
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FunkMiller
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I don't even understand the direction they wanna take xbox . It seems so out of focus and just throwing stuff out in hopes of it sticking
That's because they don't know either.
XBox was royally trounced last generation. So they needed a new strategy. But instead of committing to one clear goal, they've fudged it, trying to play the game at both ends. Put out an incredibly strong console for the hardcore gamers and a budget weaker one for the casuals. This can't work, because video games design is complicated, expensive and time consuming. Devs will always work to the base level. Water always rolls downhill. Devs always program for the lowest base.
You're going to hear the term 'lowest common denominator' A LOT in the coming weeks and months.
Ironically, I think they'd hit a lot more success with either Series S or Series X, but not both. It's confusing to the consumer.
Especially when right over there is another console that is easy to understand.
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VanSiriusGabriel
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It's also about ignorance, not only fanboysm. Even in Italy some websites started the "Xbox Series S better CPU than PS5 wow" shit, and it's very unlikely that in the comment section there isn't one saying "PS5 crap why pay more for less lulz".
Agnostic2020
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Yea but that goes so far. In past 24 hours with backlash from devs , soon people will understand xss is just a cheap weak lower common denominator .
zaitsu
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Run away from reasonable answers to your fantasy xbox world.
And dont put PS4 os on xbox one level.
Ps store is sluggish but beside that its much more responsive than xbox windows.
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ok, so serious thing.
if the xbss is gonna impact your game that much, just fuck xb off and develop for ps5 exclusively. fully take advantage of whatever ps5 offers and push your game further now that you're not having to compensate for xb.
is that no a simple solution?
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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Where can we read that Series S is made for casuals in MS speeches?
What is casual in 2020? People with smartphones.... seriously?
They are going to buy a box instead of an app on the phone to play 5 minutes of The Sims then go back to their Kindle app? The Wii audience? The FIFA, COD, Final Fantasy audience? They buy Playstation, no? 100, 50, 20% are on xbox?
Who and how many people is the casual audience... in America, Europe, Asia? And how many cares about streaming video games on a MS box?
What is casual in 2020? People with smartphones.... seriously?
They are going to buy a box instead of an app on the phone to play 5 minutes of The Sims then go back to their Kindle app? The Wii audience? The FIFA, COD, Final Fantasy audience? They buy Playstation, no? 100, 50, 20% are on xbox?Who and how many people is the casual audience... in America, Europe, Asia? And how many cares about streaming video games on a MS box?
BlueXImpulse
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And miss out on all that money? There's no chance they do that. What's going to happen is they will make Xbox games using Series S as a baseline and upscale. For PS5 it will be made for one spec.
But both will be tied down by the split RAM config on Series S with the anemic bandwidth and small RAM.
OrionNebula
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I don’t know about you guys, but all this endless waiting has got me numb a bit, so it’s gonna take a HECK more at this point than some PS5 banners in some mall in Melbourne to get me excited (that’s the issue with constant waiting... it has its toll on expectations)
We ALL know it’s coming, here
Can we actually get some real fucking details, now?
Or are we to wait all day while Roberto tells us all the countries in the world with an official PS youtube that has a single Private video that’ll turn out to be fucking nada once again?
We ALL know it’s coming, here
Can we actually get some real fucking details, now?
Or are we to wait all day while Roberto tells us all the countries in the world with an official PS youtube that has a single Private video that’ll turn out to be fucking nada once again?
T-Cake
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I wonder if we'll see a potential situation like on the Nintendo Switch. I believe there are some games that need more power than the Switch so they get streamed. So if a next-gen title needs more power than the S can provide, why not stream the X version to those users via XCloud?
kyliethicc
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Man the Series S would be far better if Xbox had just given it 12 GB of RAM with unified 336 GB/s bandwidth. Thats the one thing I keep thinking. Why not just spend the extra $25 and make the system significantly better?
Maybe the S still wouldn't be able to run One X games because it has 50% less CUs, but it would at least have the same amount of RAM and same higher unified bandwidth. That along with the CPU, SSD, and it'd be a solid system.
The 500 GB of storage is an issue for me as a consumer, but for many its fine. And they can always just buy a cheap USB HDD or the expansion cards from Xbox. And there will be a 1 TB XSS someday.
But the cheap memory config in the S wil never make sense to me. Just add 2 GB more and widen the bus, ya cheapskates.
Maybe the S still wouldn't be able to run One X games because it has 50% less CUs, but it would at least have the same amount of RAM and same higher unified bandwidth. That along with the CPU, SSD, and it'd be a solid system.
The 500 GB of storage is an issue for me as a consumer, but for many its fine. And they can always just buy a cheap USB HDD or the expansion cards from Xbox. And there will be a 1 TB XSS someday.
But the cheap memory config in the S wil never make sense to me. Just add 2 GB more and widen the bus, ya cheapskates.
mancs
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Dibils2k
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so if PS5 had a "series S" type model you would buy that would you? good for you i guess
if you are a PC gamer its even better news, at 1080p you would get so much performance from current cards
its bonkers to me that people dont see difference between 1080p and 4k... in movies i agree its not a huge jump since most are filmed on film which already grains the picture or if you watch cable its compressed to shit but gaming? bonkers
FunkMiller
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They're trying to stick out a console that is as cheap as they can make it, because they think the casual and budget conscious audience will strongly respond to it. They literally decided that casual gamers don't care about high end graphics or gameplay innovation, and just want to play their GaaS games, and spend their money on MTXs - 4k res, 60fps, or fresh gameplay loops be damned, who cares anyway?
*boldmovecottongif*
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Handy Fake
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AeneaGames
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That is indeed correct but then one simply needs to look at the raw speed of the SSDs to determine how far they can load things in BC mode and last I checked the PS5 has a huge advantage over the next gen Xboxes in that department.
So BC games will benefit more on PS5..
3liteDragon
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Probably another ad lolPrivate video on PlayStation Latin America
Great so all my PS1 digital games will load fast?
INC
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That film freaked the fuck out of me as a kid, the shakey cam of the devil just mess with my mind for some reason.
Underrated film
Bit like people under the stairs, another great classic horror film
FunkMiller
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My body is ready.
It's incredibly strange to me how little attention is being paid to what actual games are coming out on both these platforms. Everybody seems to be obsessed with CPUs, GPUs and frame rates, and not with what games you can play - and why we're not seeing more of them from XBox.
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INC
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Because there's nothing worth talking about, from either side.
Theres no megaton announcements
Demon souls being a release game maybe........other than that both are bland as fuck
(Launch games)
FunkMiller
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You could well be right on both companies. I know there's rumours swirling around about Sony having some announcements, but rumours are very, very often unfounded, as we know.
BGs
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Is like a test for the possible future.
TheGejsza
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Devs =/= Publisher
Devs are just doing what is told them to do. What is done is decided mostly by some kind of board or publisher. If publisher (mostly based on some kind of calculations) says he wants new Fifa on every platform then it had to be done. But how well it will be done is in the devs hands. Often in early gens it is very hard to estimate what can and cannot be done on specific hardwere so here is the pain in the ass for devs - figure out what can and cannot be done on specific systems - and trust me considering time-constrains - there are not gonna work their ass off, they will do as much as there is needed to be done to run the game. Thats like eternal conflict.
hemo memo
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No news before Monday obviously.
kyliethicc
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I wonder how long it'll be before Microsoft announces the All Digital edition of the Series X ?
xacto
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I think that by this point, and even way earlier, Microsoft knew EXACTLY they cannot compete with Sony as number of consoles sold, or with 1st party games, and they went the Game Pass all the way, and the rest be damned. They know they will SOME consoles, but selling the hardware for them is not the main attraction point. They are a company with nothing to lose with their gaming division.
While they know they cannot be competition for Sony at all, they will still do anything in their power (through their cronies and false advertisement) to throw as many wrenches as they can in Sony's works. From outlets as IGN, DF, Windows Central, and their not-so-bright fanbase, they throw around insane claims, while never coming up with what actually SELLS a console - GAMES.
They don't have them, and they don't care at this point in time. They make all these desperate moves, trying to convince as many people to buy into their ecosystem, namely Game Pass, cause the rest is not there, and for them it's not what makes them tick.
Of course there are deluded people thinking that Microsoft will sell a lot of Series S to all the poor people of this planet and save the world of gaming, but I am sure that at some level even they know this is just a pipe dream. But entities with nothing to lose are just like this - denying, throwing tantrums, foaming at the mouth.
Unfortunately, in this world, where Microsoft thought they could offer some kind of competition for Sony, that is not how things are working out so far.
INC
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Its funny, xbx has a meme of no games (which tbh is fair for launch), but sony hardly has a stellar line up either
Who knows maybe sony do have some unreleased info.......I'd be surprised this close to launch, but who knows
I still think sony big news is gonna be some CoD exclusive bundle, ots the only shooter on release, and all footage has been ps5, so would make sense.
FunkMiller
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This video is fascinating:
...not so much for what it says about the Series S, but rather about Digital Foundry's relationship with Microsoft.
It's easy to criticise DF for an apparent bias towards XBox, but how much of that is determined by the different level of access they have to Microsoft than they do to Sony? They are clearly very close to the team at XBox. To be allowed access to the Series S so early is a clear indicator of that. They don't appear to have anywhere near as close a relationship with Sony.
Does DF appear to favour XBox because of bias? Or because of access? And would things be different if Sony were as close to them? And what does all this say about games journalism and the way journalists present information? Should they be duty bound to be completely impartial, even when they get a lot more co-operation from one manufacturer? Or are Sony duty bound to grant the same levels of access to maintain that balance?
I have my own opinions on this, but it's an interesting thing to think about when we discuss whether games 'insiders' are biased or not, and the reasons why.
...not so much for what it says about the Series S, but rather about Digital Foundry's relationship with Microsoft.
It's easy to criticise DF for an apparent bias towards XBox, but how much of that is determined by the different level of access they have to Microsoft than they do to Sony? They are clearly very close to the team at XBox. To be allowed access to the Series S so early is a clear indicator of that. They don't appear to have anywhere near as close a relationship with Sony.
Does DF appear to favour XBox because of bias? Or because of access? And would things be different if Sony were as close to them? And what does all this say about games journalism and the way journalists present information? Should they be duty bound to be completely impartial, even when they get a lot more co-operation from one manufacturer? Or are Sony duty bound to grant the same levels of access to maintain that balance?
I have my own opinions on this, but it's an interesting thing to think about when we discuss whether games 'insiders' are biased or not, and the reasons why.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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quality analyst when talking software is not QA
Mahavastu
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A few pages ago there was a photo of the series V (?) which seems to be exactly that
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I don't see a bias, they clearly state that the amount of RAM might be an issue, and SSD size might be too small
zaitsu
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WelshBluebird
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Of course to add to this, Microsoft are being a lot more open with everyone it seems.
Look how many people got the Series S and Series X dummy models yesterday. Even ignoring the DF stuff - I can't see Sony doing anything similar.
Indeed even in the past haven't Sony preferred to do their own teardowns etc?
I wonder if this is more of a statement about the different approaches with how open each company is being with the media, rather than specifically just about DF.
prinz_valium
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nvm
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xacto
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There you go, you just answered your own question...
Let us all not forget how much they try to downplay the info they have already got from Sony's console. Let us not forget the previous "analyses" they presented.
It never should mean that when they don't have ALL the information available from one company, they should try to praise the other.
Hell, at this point, every time I watch one of their videos (which is seldom these days) they seem to be actually reading from the script that Microsoft sent them.
Let us all not forget how much they try to downplay the info they have already got from Sony's console. Let us not forget the previous "analyses" they presented.
It never should mean that when they don't have ALL the information available from one company, they should try to praise the other.
Hell, at this point, every time I watch one of their videos (which is seldom these days) they seem to be actually reading from the script that Microsoft sent them.
mancs
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franshish doesn't care he wants feeding like me...
FunkMiller
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I think I'm actually mounting a defence of DF here, rather than a criticism. Better access generally tends to mean more coverage. That can lead some to perceive a bias towards Msft. But if you're getting more attention and access from them, who can blame DF it things feel weighted towards Msft? But then, they do seem to have been more critical of Sony's efforts in the past. Is that because they lack access to Sony? And should that ever be a determining factor for the way you report?
Yep. I think that's the point I'm trying to make. Well done for the summing up.
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kyliethicc
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Look at DF videos by view count, all their biggest videos were around 2013-14. Then dropped off into 2015, 2016.
Then look at how all of sudden their channel got a huge spike in views after they unveiled the Xbox One X in 2017.
Safe to say they're very grateful for such a rejuvenation of their channel's reach and views. Don't bite the hand that feeds.
FunkMiller
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And there's no equivalent for Sony is there? They don't seem to court the YouTubers, the influencers or the insiders. And their NDAs are famously hardcore.
Maybe that's the main reason why we see such a perceived bias across the whole of games media. Msft are allowing more access, which grants them favour.
The fact Sony seem content not to do the same, tells me they are probably more self assured about their relationship with the consumer base, as well they might be, given the market dominance.
I really feel like Sony's philosophy is 'stay quiet, but carry a large stick'.
I'm just wondering when the stick is going to come out...
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