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Hudo

Member
While I would love a new switch that runs games a 4K. The single most important thing to me is that Nintendo maintains backwards compatibility going forward. The digital games that I have purchased on the Switch must come forward with me.
This for me as well. While I don't buy games digitally, I still want to be able to stick the cartridges of my games into the next Switch.

For all manufacturers, backwards compatibility shouldn't even be a question. It should be a standard practice.
 

Jooxed

Gold Member
This for me as well. While I don't buy games digitally, I still want to be able to stick the cartridges of my games into the next Switch.

For all manufacturers, backwards compatibility shouldn't even be a question. It should be a standard practice.

Absolutely... at 105 switch games if I couldn't play them on the Switch 2 I would be pretty bummed
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
This for me as well. While I don't buy games digitally, I still want to be able to stick the cartridges of my games into the next Switch.

For all manufacturers, backwards compatibility shouldn't even be a question. It should be a standard practice.

It's a tricky matter really. I get the consumer angle but there is a technical angle. A new system is a new system, and it likely has new chips. It's only fairly recently we've seen consoles stick with effectively the same commoditised chipset from generation to generation with the XBox and PS being effectively PCs, but before that there's been a lot more divergence in architecture. Now if the hardware is significantly different that requires emulation. Software emulation however requires the host machine to be significantly more powerful than the target. The alternative is hardware emulation, ie having chips on board that can do the same job as the predecessor's chipset, but that adds significantly to the build cost, and likely causes compromises with design, battery life, heat, etc.

Now if Nintendo are going with a bump like the one from DS to 3DS then yeah backwards compatibility is probably doable, as there's enough similarity between the systems - let's imagine it's still NVIDIA hardware but they've just taken a new more powerful variant off the shelf. However, if it's a shift to fundamentally different hardware, or indeed a fundamentally different form factor, then backwards compatibility becomes tricky with the former requiring emulation and the latter maybe rendering it impossible (ie if system X uses 2 screens and system Y uses 1 you end up with a horrible mess of 2 screens squished onto 1 as happens when emulating DS games on a PC - just as an example).

Now assuming backwards compatibility isn't offered and companies port their products to the new system, there is a cost to those companies in doing that. Sure not the same cost as initially designing the game, but a cost nonetheless. If they're using something like Unity or Unreal Engine then likely there'll be a pipeline to export from the base project and while that's still some work because they still have to figure out optimisation (ie how many polygons can we display in this scene) and figure out any control scheme changes between systems and so on. If it's a custom engine, they need to build a new version of the engine and port to that. All of this is work and gamers moan at having to pay for work that someone did, as if they're entitled forever to have that work free after buying one thing they did.

I'm pro-consumer, I shop on GOG, I admire Nintendo's choice to go with honest up-front cost instead of microtransactions, I buy physical so I have the option to sell my games 2nd hand if I so choose. I'm not a corporate boot-licker. I am however a programmer, and so I see the issues with this.

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Hudo

Member
It's a tricky matter really. I get the consumer angle but there is a technical angle. A new system is a new system, and it likely has new chips. It's only fairly recently we've seen consoles stick with effectively the same commoditised chipset from generation to generation with the XBox and PS being effectively PCs, but before that there's been a lot more divergence in architecture. Now if the hardware is significantly different that requires emulation. Software emulation however requires the host machine to be significantly more powerful than the target. The alternative is hardware emulation, ie having chips on board that can do the same job as the predecessor's chipset, but that adds significantly to the build cost, and likely causes compromises with design, battery life, heat, etc.

Now if Nintendo are going with a bump like the one from DS to 3DS then yeah backwards compatibility is probably doable, as there's enough similarity between the systems - let's imagine it's still NVIDIA hardware but they've just taken a new more powerful variant off the shelf. However, if it's a shift to fundamentally different hardware, or indeed a fundamentally different form factor, then backwards compatibility becomes tricky with the former requiring emulation and the latter maybe rendering it impossible (ie if system X uses 2 screens and system Y uses 1 you end up with a horrible mess of 2 screens squished onto 1 as happens when emulating DS games on a PC - just as an example).

Now assuming backwards compatibility isn't offered and companies port their products to the new system, there is a cost to those companies in doing that. Sure not the same cost as initially designing the game, but a cost nonetheless. If they're using something like Unity or Unreal Engine then likely there'll be a pipeline to export from the base project and while that's still some work because they still have to figure out optimisation (ie how many polygons can we display in this scene) and figure out any control scheme changes between systems and so on. If it's a custom engine, they need to build a new version of the engine and port to that. All of this is work and gamers moan at having to pay for work that someone did, as if they're entitled forever to have that work free after buying one thing they did.

I'm pro-consumer, I shop on GOG, I admire Nintendo's choice to go with honest up-front cost instead of microtransactions, I buy physical so I have the option to sell my games 2nd hand if I so choose. I'm not a corporate boot-licker. I am however a programmer, and so I see the issues with this.

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Oh, I totally agree on the technical side of things and wrote my take with that in mind. I have experience in porting from platform to platform and how much of a headache that is and how fucked up pipelines usually are (I have never encountered a pipeline that didn't require some fiddling). And I may sound like an asshole but: By trapping consumers into their ecosystems, they have brought that burden on themselves. I have no sympathy for the platform holders here. They have all chosen to go down this path and gate-keep games with account bullshit, then they need to carry that forward, which includes a more complicated pipeline with abstraction layers and/or full on emulators.
 

Jooxed

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Astral Dog

Member
I think Nintendo should make a system that’s just in line and with a feasible output for developers to at least downscale 3rd party games, I don’t think huge power is the answer just compatibility with current engines and easy to use tools so smaller dev studios can port next gen games no problem.

Nintendo currently are on the back foot going into PS5 and XSX purely from a port perspective they need to get something together within the next year to enable developers to port across otherwise its bye bye 3rd party support.
Its not entirely on their hands, lets be honest even if Nintendo hyphotetically comes out today with the latest on mobile tech (already unlikely) it would still not compare to the new CPUs and SSD on the new consoles, this gen the Xbox came with a tablet cpu and was very underpowered when it released, that made easier for devs to downgrade their games, what Nintendo has as an advantage is a huge market that wants an hybrid platform to play their console games on the go. As long as companies don't run out of games to port like the ones on ps4/ONE Nintendo will be fine

Not to say they aren't keeping their eyes on PS5/Series X, they can let the mobile tech mature and focus on the current Switch, until they are confident with releasing a new system at a decent price, but no matter the outcome many gamers won't be happy with a Switch 2 simply because its gonna be a huge leap from it to a next gen home console, and some companies won't prioritize a Switch version.

On the other hand i can see companies releasing more games like MegaMan 11, less ambitious but runing fine on all hardware with the Switch around
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
I hope Atlus doesn't take a decade to show us gameplay after this trailer. As much as I was happy to see SMTV still being alive, the fact is we got another trailer but with no proper gameplay.
 
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Evangelion Unit-01

Master Chief
Just redeemed my last voucher. Decided to grab Pokemon Sword. Was holding onto it because while there are a lot of games I want, I'd like to wait for a sale on most. I figured there would be more upcoming games by now when I bought all the vouchers last year. Never anticipated this crazy virus...

My not at full price list: NSMBU, Luigi's Mansion, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Kirby, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Astral Chain, Octopath, Daemon X Machina, Paper Mario.

Too many good games on this system. Plus Metroid Prime 4, Shin Megami Tensei V + III HD, Bravely Default II, Breath of the Wild Sequel, as well as the rumored Mario Remasters and Metroid Prime Trilogy. Shame I couldn't have used my voucher on one of those upcoming games.
 

Jooxed

Gold Member
Just redeemed my last voucher. Decided to grab Pokemon Sword. Was holding onto it because while there are a lot of games I want, I'd like to wait for a sale on most. I figured there would be more upcoming games by now when I bought all the vouchers last year. Never anticipated this crazy virus...

My not at full price list: NSMBU, Luigi's Mansion, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Kirby, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Astral Chain, Octopath, Daemon X Machina, Paper Mario.

Too many good games on this system. Plus Metroid Prime 4, Shin Megami Tensei V + III HD, Bravely Default II, Breath of the Wild Sequel, as well as the rumored Mario Remasters and Metroid Prime Trilogy. Shame I couldn't have used my voucher on one of those upcoming games.

Pokemon was pretty alright. If you've played any Pokemon you know what you are getting. It definitely doesn't break any ground but its cool to play it on the TV. I enjoyed my time in Galar.
 

Skelterz

Member
Its not entirely on their hands, lets be honest even if Nintendo hyphotetically comes out today with the latest on mobile tech (already unlikely) it would still not compare to the new CPUs and SSD on the new consoles, this gen the Xbox came with a tablet cpu and was very underpowered when it released, that made easier for devs to downgrade their games, what Nintendo has as an advantage is a huge market that wants an hybrid platform to play their console games on the go. As long as companies don't run out of games to port like the ones on ps4/ONE Nintendo will be fine

Not to say they aren't keeping their eyes on PS5/Series X, they can let the mobile tech mature and focus on the current Switch, until they are confident with releasing a new system at a decent price, but no matter the outcome many gamers won't be happy with a Switch 2 simply because its gonna be a huge leap from it to a next gen home console, and some companies won't prioritize a Switch version.

On the other hand i can see companies releasing more games like MegaMan 11, less ambitious but runing fine on all hardware with the Switch around

I mean that’s all true but your neglecting one key aspect of the switch that before launch all speculation was geared towards...The Dock.

I don’t think it’s completely off the wall for Nintendo to release a newer more powerful switch handheld but actually utilise the dock for computing purposes on board ram, HD storage, etc etc just in general if they can find a way to squeeze more power and utility into TV play I would be happier going forward.

I’m happy with my switch I’m happy with the library I was a Wii U owner so I’ve endured dark days you have to give Nintendo credit for the u-turn they’ve made but in order to carry momentum going into next gen there going to have to power up so to speak even if we’re talking about a docking system that beefs up the switch to be nearly as powerful or as powerful as a PS4 and to be honest I think it’s feesible.
 

Astral Dog

Member
I mean that’s all true but your neglecting one key aspect of the switch that before launch all speculation was geared towards...The Dock.

I don’t think it’s completely off the wall for Nintendo to release a newer more powerful switch handheld but actually utilise the dock for computing purposes on board ram, HD storage, etc etc just in general if they can find a way to squeeze more power and utility into TV play I would be happier going forward.

I’m happy with my switch I’m happy with the library I was a Wii U owner so I’ve endured dark days you have to give Nintendo credit for the u-turn they’ve made but in order to carry momentum going into next gen there going to have to power up so to speak even if we’re talking about a docking system that beefs up the switch to be nearly as powerful or as powerful as a PS4 and to be honest I think it’s feesible.
I don't think they will go that route, would be a way to increase the costs/price too much, Nintendo still targets families imagine selling a powerful tablet with those joycon controllers, then including a Dock with extra GPU/CPU? too messy. even then they had to downclock the Switch on Docked mode

I mean the current Dock is basically a piece of plastic
however Nintendo is currently on a good position i don't think that will change, we just need to be realistic with mobile tech limitations and their family ( no system as expensive as a PlayStation) market.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
For me it doesn't matter if Nintendo makes Switch 2 or not, I'm happy with my current Switch. In this entire gen, most of my favourite games I played were no technical marvel when it came to its graphics but I love the games visuals style and gameplay.

I'm pretty sure SMTV wont have high tech graphics even for Switch standard but I know Atlus will nail the art direction, especially after seeing the latest trailer. For me only thing matter is end result, doesn't matter how expensive or cheap their tech is, as long I'm digging the art style then I'm happy.
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
Trying to play any version of SF2 or SF3 with any of the Dpads I own for the Switch might be the most torturous experience of my life. Might end up hanging myself before the night is through :messenger_beaming:
 
Trying to play any version of SF2 or SF3 with any of the Dpads I own for the Switch might be the most torturous experience of my life. Might end up hanging myself before the night is through :messenger_beaming:

It really is a piece of shit, isn't it? Basically gave up on Tetris 99 thanks to the D-Pad on the pro controller. You'd think the company that invented the damn thing would be able to knock out one that actually works on a £60 piece of hardware...

Don't get me started on the Joy-Cons. FUCKING ANALOGUE TRIGGERS?! "What are those?"
Such a regression from the Big N in this gen. Both control options are trash for anything that isn't ARMS.

The Xbox One pad is my new god.
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
It really is a piece of shit, isn't it? Basically gave up on Tetris 99 thanks to the D-Pad on the pro controller. You'd think the company that invented the damn thing would be able to knock out one that actually works on a £60 piece of hardware...

Don't get me started on the Joy-Cons. FUCKING ANALOGUE TRIGGERS?! "What are those?"
Such a regression from the Big N in this gen. Both control options are trash for anything that isn't ARMS.

The Xbox One pad is my new god.
I'm going to have to order an 8bitdo just to play these damn games lol.
 
I'm going to have to order an 8bitdo just to play these damn games lol.

It's weird but I never had these issues. The Xenoblade 2 edition pro controller I think has an improved D-pad? No idea if any of the regular recently made ones do as well though. But the 8bit do thingie is cheaper anyways.
 
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It's weird but I never had these issues. The Xenoblade 2 edition pro controller I think has an improved D-pad? No idea if any of the regular recently made ones do as well though. But the 8bit do thingie is cheaper anyways.
I have an OG controller and a Xeno 2 one. Can confirm the D-Pad sucks on both. What’s worse, the left stick on my Xeno one has slight drifting. Quality control has been a shambles on Switch.
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
It's weird but I never had these issues. The Xenoblade 2 edition pro controller I think has an improved D-pad? No idea if any of the regular recently made ones do as well though. But the 8bit do thingie is cheaper anyways.
I'm using the Smash Pro Controller and I'm finding the Dpad to be subpar in comparison to what I'm used to. On any other d pad this gen I can hit SF inputs with no issues but here it's a nightmare.
 
I have an OG controller and a Xeno 2 one. Can confirm the D-Pad sucks on both. What’s worse, the left stick on my Xeno one has slight drifting. Quality control has been a shambles on Switch.

Guess I'm just lucky then. They really need to fix that going forward, there's no excuse with the prices they're charging for em.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
I beat the god damn eagle in BOTW - don’t know if I’m getting better or the bosses easier but I found flying ganon to be much easier than previous ganons. The dungeon itself seemed smaller and more navigable than the fucking lizard. Only the desert sexist women and their beast to go then I get to go to fuck Ganon up.
 

Cutty Flam

Banned
It really is a piece of shit, isn't it? Basically gave up on Tetris 99 thanks to the D-Pad on the pro controller. You'd think the company that invented the damn thing would be able to knock out one that actually works on a £60 piece of hardware...

Don't get me started on the Joy-Cons. FUCKING ANALOGUE TRIGGERS?! "What are those?"
Such a regression from the Big N in this gen. Both control options are trash for anything that isn't ARMS.

The Xbox One pad is my new god.
The Pro Controller is excellent for some games. But man do the Joy Cons suck. They break and malfunction so easily
 

Cutty Flam

Banned
I beat the god damn eagle in BOTW - don’t know if I’m getting better or the bosses easier but I found flying ganon to be much easier than previous ganons. The dungeon itself seemed smaller and more navigable than the fucking lizard. Only the desert sexist women and their beast to go then I get to go to fuck Ganon up.
The entire Gerudo / Desert area is really well done. I like that level a lot. Was craving more
 

Skelterz

Member
The Pro Controller is excellent for some games. But man do the Joy Cons suck. They break and malfunction so easily

I got the switch day one with Zelda played for about 10-15 mins and realised I needed a pro controller ordered it that morning and it turned up the same evening joycons suck balls.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
I got the switch day one with Zelda played for about 10-15 mins and realised I needed a pro controller ordered it that morning and it turned up the same evening joycons suck balls.

I've been doing just fine with the joycons tbh - I tend to have one in each hand rather than using the bit of plastic to stick them together tbh and they work just fine. They do feel cheap and plastic but they work pretty well. The gyroscope is pretty useful - it makes a huge difference when working with bows.
 

Cutty Flam

Banned
I got the switch day one with Zelda played for about 10-15 mins and realised I needed a pro controller ordered it that morning and it turned up the same evening joycons suck balls.
I played BOTW with Joycons and it was pretty fun I thought. Spent 120 hrs and I still have 60+ shrines left and a bunch of sidequests too. It felt decent enough in Rocket League had it not malfunctioned often and moved for me for a second or two. Happened like every three to four games it seemed

No issue with the Pro Controller yet. Have had it for a month and a half now. Feels amazing. Even better than the Xbox One controller which I didn’t think could be possible. Feels like a dream, that is one solid controller design. The best since the Gamecube controller
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
How fortunate you saved the desert for last. imo it's the best of the four base beasts and like a (albeit small) part of an actual dungeon from previous entries.

I look forward to testing it out. I've already visited the area but I was in the process of getting the various towers etc to open up the map fully - I decided to do the bird one as it just seemed a bit easier. Need to figure out how to get sand shoes, sneak past the guards, etc but hopefully I'll figure it out. Trying to avoid spoilers and guides as much as possible - I had to use a guide for bits of the lizard as it was a nightmare to navigate, my poor tiny brain couldn't cope with it, but otherwise I'm doing solidly ok.

Picked up the you-know-what sword and was a bit surprised it was only a 30. Still, it's handy because of its other properties (not going to say too much - spoilers).
 
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SLoWMoTIoN

Unconfirmed Member
Just to let those that don't know or forgot that you can download and play Pokken Tournament DX for free until August 4th if you have Nintendo Switch Online
Then it really isn't free...I hate that some games won't even let me access data unless I have NSO now. While I can on other platforms for freeeeeeee.
I didn't hang myself, instead I decided to beat my wife and 7 kids



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in Smash Bros.
Chris Benoit pls
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
So the cross-dressing... I imagine that ruffled a few feathers when BOTW first came out!
 
So the cross-dressing... I imagine that ruffled a few feathers when BOTW first came out!

Not that I recall actually. But there was this really bizarre expectation somehow at the time that Link himself would be female. But that was when the Resetera crowd was still here so I guess it figures and they got really fucking angry when it turned out Link was just gonna be...well, Link.
 
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ShinNL

Member
I got the switch day one with Zelda played for about 10-15 mins and realised I needed a pro controller ordered it that morning and it turned up the same evening joycons suck balls.
My tiny Asian hands love the compact Joy-Con grip setup. It's my favorite controller. Too bad the analog is so prone to failure. Had to replace two analog sticks, but keeping the rest in check with WD40: 1 sign of drift = spray = lasts for a while without any drift, instead of getting worse (which made me forced to replace the analog sticks cause they were no longer fixable by spray).
 
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