SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Impossible! His pinned tweet says no extreme fanboys.
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ErRor88
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I didn't he's using what is to believe a near-production PS5. The game is running on the hardware. I'm I to believe it's not using the 5.5gb/s SSD?
I'm not sure that's logical. Most likely it was because they knew people would compare and wanted to get ahead of that.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well, if you're thinking of claims of "instant access to 100GB", Sony never claimed that.
I think what Sony said was the elimination of load screens. Which I'm guessing that means the games load fast enough to not need them.
yewles1
Member
XBOX ONE all over again...This is a perfectly valid strategy that I can fully get behind.
The problem is that this is in blatant contradiction with what he himself stated barely a week ago:
Xbox boss says generation exclusives are ‘completely counter to what gaming is about’ | VGC
Spencer gives impassioned speech about Xbox’s cross-gen strategy…www.videogameschronicle.com
Both of these (1. every platform is always supported, or 2. each developer can decide for their own game) would be understandable strategies with pros and cons, but FFS they have to pick one and just stick with it. I'm not an Xbox gamer so I personally don't care all that much, but if I were I would be seriously asking what the hell is the plan here and what should I even expect in the near future.
Not to speak of the fact that in that same occasion Phil said more "technical" stuff that goes beyond just "this is the strategy we chose", and becomes even more ridiculous in the light of this last interview:
So... was all of this just bullshit? Because, if supporting a wider range of hardware has no real impact on the games and the advantages of platform specificity are "a meme", then why in the bloody merry round world would a first-party Microsoft developer ever decide that developing for next-gen only is what's best for their game (and Microsoft let them do that)?
This continuous flip-flopping where things are not really important until they are and what the competition is doing is wrong until they themselves do it is retarded, and it doesn't help anyone except for fanboys who need their daily dose of ammunition to throw at some other 12 yo in a comment section somewhere. It's damaging their overall message big time in the long run, and I don't even know anymore if they're just talking shit every other day for the sake of optics or if to some extent they don't really know yet where they want to go and are just throwing out everything and the kitchen sink trying to gauge what will stick on the wall.
saintjules
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ErRor88
Member
Well, if you're thinking of claims of "instant access to 100GB", Sony never claimed that.
I never believed that anything is "instant". Everything has a cost. I'm just saying in reality 2- 15 seconds is acceptable. Nobody wants 30-90 secs of loading anymore.
FranXico
Member
I apologise as I misinterpreted your post as sarcasm.
Yes, minute long loads are going to go away indeed. No matter where we play. That's good news.
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Tripolygon
Banned
1. Not every effects transition is a loading screen
2. Not every slow walk section is a loading screen
3. Not every cutscene is a loading screen
4. Not every crawl through a crevice is a loading screen.
Just because you've been told, transitions can be used to hide loading does not make every effects and transition a loading screen. Just because you've been told a cutscene can be used to hide loading does not mean every cutscene is there to hide loading. Just like how that squeeze through section in that Unreal Engine 5 demo was not placed there to hide loading. This is not there to hide loading either. It could simply just be there because they wanted to create a cool transition between both levels.
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hemo memo
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MasterCornholio
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Well that's disturbing. Makes me wonder if Mr X has any influence in what he posts.
Imtjnotu
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the game doesnt seem to be using the 10TF either so do you think the ps5 isnt a 10TF machine now too?
3liteDragon
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chilichote
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Possible, but since Astro Bot should show the advantages of the new controller, I simply believe that this tunnel also serves a perceived purpose^^It could be Insomniac is better at prefetching the required data need to transition and the 2 secs it geometric rendering.
ErRor88
Member
Ok, this is clearly a transition/loading screen. Which is OK! In reality, loading is reduced not eliminated. I'm good with 2 - 15 secs transition/loading screens.
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There is no good reason to put a transition/loading screen here except for loading. They could effectively put areas in the hub area that goes through the feature of the controller and then reinforce it through gameplay.
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MasterCornholio
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I don't think instant will ever be possible but an elimination of loading screens could definitely happen. That's what I think Sony was going for with their I/O system.
Imtjnotu
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what am i watching here?
hemo memo
Gold Member
60fps
xHunter
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I mean he also follows the other discord/twitter gang too (like people that are sitll convinced that the ps5 doesnt have hardware RT). I would take everything he says regarding the next gen consoles with a huge grain of salt. Dont think he is as neutral as he always claimed to be
geordiemp
Member
Hahahah - he is not a developer, he just paints pictures, no games...absolutely brilliant. Oh my sides.
He has 1 screen called overdose but no game..
Shall we tell that xbox thread, nah, let them keep going, so funny.
ErRor88
Member
This might happen with PS7/XSX 3 with nanosecond access and processing. Until then I'll rock with 2 - 15 seconds.
MasterCornholio
Member
I theory it takes around 2 seconds to fill up the PS5s ram so any loading should be close to that or less.
Gamerguy84
Member
While the Astrobot demo was cool I didn't see anything new. From blowing on the controller to the touchpad, it was all in Astrobot the VR game. Its fun also.
Tripolygon
Banned
This is entirely false.Can anyone address these tweets regarding SFS as posted by someone in another thread by @Bernkastel
Xbox Velocity Architecture - 100 GB is instantly accessible by the developer through a custom hardware decompression block
don't tell me someone that had no idea what they were talking about in this thread suggested that "Perhaps Unreal 5 won't work with the hardware optimizations on XSX" and now a few are entertaining the idea? Fact is it's not true and there is nothing to suggest that nanite won't benefit from...www.neogaf.com
Can the PS5 do similar and will it use similar methods? Will devs happily get somthings running on PS5 using its speed and not use this because they don't need to but will on xbox because they have to? Meaning if similar was used on PS5 it could have more performance but may go unused?
I know people have said partially resident textures has been around ages so is this really all that as claimed below?
What cost does sfs have, cpu ,latency etc...
This guy saying PS5 does it normal way not like sfs.... is he right...?
Virtual texturing or PRT is something that developers have been doing for a long time via software implementation up until PS4 and Xbox One which added hardware support for it. Same way developers don't render everything by culling whatever is not visible, developers also don't load every texture into RAM just because, it is a waste of memory.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Really depends on the game; loading isn't just for data.
Some could be nearly instant though if they don't have a lot of calculations and can start the game before the entire cache is filled. Others might take a few extra second if there's a lot to calculate.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Omg I still remember the rage I would have before thy patched Bloodborne. Those loading times were fucking coma inducing
From is lucky tht game was so fucking good.
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LucidFlux
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It's going to be hard not to look at those sequences the same way we have in the past. However, even if the entirety of RAM could be filled in less than the time it takes to render a frame, artists will still want to stylize gameplay transitions for whatever mechanic their game employs, be it some futuristic looking teleportation like this, a subway train or going to sleep at a fire. It would be more jarring to instantly cut to a different scene. Now I'm not saying PS5 isn't actually doing some loading here, it most definitely is, but without more context it's impossible to say what is going on in this particular demo. Considering what we've already seen demonstrated by R&C and with the specs telling us it should be able to fill RAM in ~2 seconds, there could be any number of reasons this particular sequence runs as long as it does. From a conscious design decision to show off a controller function or it simply being not fully optimized yet, but I highly doubt it's hitting the limits of the SSD when we've already seen faster loading with higher quality assets.
Entroyp
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Omg I still remember the rage I would have before thy patched Bloodborne. Those loading times were fucking coma inducing
From is lucky tht game was so fucking good.
For me it was Doom Eternal. I’m so bad at it and kept dying over and over again until the load times got on my nerves.
Can’t wait to leave all that behind.
Tripolygon
Banned
Yes it is a transition but does not mean it needed to be 7 seconds long to hide loading. That transition could be 1 second or 10 seconds long. Could be a portal you just walk through "instantly". I'm good with 2 to 10 seconds of loading, that's way better than almost every game this gen.
Yup
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MasterCornholio
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I'm just happy that I'm not playing Doom Eternal on a slow HDD. The load times would be annoying as heck especially on Ultra Violence.
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hemo memo
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95% of usage is to hide loading screens. That is exactly why Cerny said that the speed of SSD would change game design all together. Developers design levels around loading screens.
saintjules
Member
This is entirely false.
Virtual texturing or PRT is something that developers have been doing for a long time via software implementation up until PS4 and Xbox One which added hardware support for it. Same way developers don't render everything by culling whatever is not visible, developers also don't load every texture into RAM just because, it is a waste of memory.
Isn't that o'dium?
geordiemp
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Tripolygon
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That's what people are saying.
Snowdonhoffen
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So you can get double the resolution and better everything else with 18% more GPU power I agree with what he says, all logical
I agree with what he says, all logical
saintjules
Member
Yeah, it is. I saw his twitter comments with Schreier on era as well.
BattleScar
Member
So you can get double the resolution and better everything else with 18% more GPU power
Why do we keep posting tweets from this vacant minded gobshite?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yes, though his twitter says co-owner so he might have a business partner. maybe they have hired new people since.
again, he can correct me if im wrong. he's pretty active in the Phil Spencer threads.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Is the other co-owner a pigeon lol?
geordiemp
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Its his wife, he is in the other thread saying he is ill so only him left at studio....and his pidgeons.
Come join, he is in teh other thread, he joined and got upset I called him a painter (I offered to animate for him lol)
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I have actually seen this ratchet was faked take brought up recently. I was pretty surprised because it was clearly a gameplay showcase. Apparently Sony pre-rendered it for the trailer and the gameplay demo that was shown after the trailer was far less impressive since its portal switched to a different place in the same level.
these people actually think Sony wouldnt have setpieces with multiple worlds like the one we saw in the reveal. I have no idea how these conspiracy theories start. it looked like the last thing sony would fake.
Ass of Can Whooping
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geordiemp
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Thread is wild
Even funnier he said why is no one discssion technically, so I went into SFS and PRT+ and lets talk DX12 ult and costs of SFS, and he said he has not time for me, but did have time for 20 tweets about SFS he knows knothing about,.
Priceless.
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Imtjnotu
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We both know this shit comes from the discord and is spread on Twitter....
Handy Fake
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He also said that developers would probably choose to still implement these transition states as flipping from one to the other without it would be very jarring and disorientating for the player.
geordiemp
Member
Sounds right up my street old chap, I have been cooking far too much in lockdown, need to start travelling again. The world beckons.
MasterCornholio
Member
So you can get double the resolution and better everything else with 18% more GPU power
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