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[SleepDoctor]

There are other games, smart ass, not desperate at all. Gotta ask again, why so salty just because MS is not the first one doing it?

Only one coming off quite salty is you running in an Xbox thread screaming "crossbuy crossbuy" and throwing ad hominem attacks cuz no one cares about your emotional breakdown over smart delivery.

Ollie ollie and Dont Starve were great crossbuy titles but hey get fucked on a TLOU free upgrade .

 

[a multicultural team of v]

The side effect of this is that the previous gen version of the games aren't going to ever get cheaper, because then they would be a low cost backdoor into the next gen versions. So if the next gen version is coming 6 months later I am going to guess MSRP will stay $60 until then.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Only one coming off quite salty is you running in an Xbox thread screaming "crossbuy crossbuy" and throwing ad hominem attacks cuz no one cares about your emotional breakdown over smart delivery.

Ollie ollie and Dont Starve were great crossbuy titles but hey get fucked on a TLOU free upgrade .

I was answering to some posts asking if Sony would do that, I simply stated the facts. It was Xbox fans who began all this bickering.

 

[Tulipanzo]

It's very positive to see both companies supporting cross-buy; hopefully more publishers get on board

 

[Die Namek Ability]

And that's a bad...why?

It's like saying people shouldn't be able to play their older Steam games when they buy a new PC.



Let us know when Sony uses it for a big AAA game and not an indie.

I never said it was a bad thing. I actually highlighted it as a good thing. My thought was this is something that will be difficult for Microsoft to maintain going forward and potentially (IMO) could limit flexibility moving forward.

 

[SleepDoctor]

It's very positive to see both companies supporting cross-buy; hopefully more publishers get on board

Its a good look when EA who said they wouldn't, backed down and said Madden would support it.

 

[Zimmy68]

I want to buy control and the jedi game but i'm not looking to buy it twice, and they haven't said anything about next gen upgrades yet

A Control dev posted on Reddit today that Control is coming to PS5 and XSX which gets me more confused.
Will the digital copy of Control that I own now play in the best version when upgraded to XSX?
I assume so but why announce it?
I'm guessing studios will get around free upgrades by releasing different skus (Control Extra Special Edition).

 

[jshackles]

I don't think anyone here is delusional to the point where they are denying that Cross Buy didn't exist or that Sony didn't "do it first" (who cares).

But Microsoft is definitely putting the pressure on this time around. Full first party support, even for games that released last year like Gears 5. Disc based support, which is similar to the Xbox One's BC program but amazing to see it play out like this for non-digital copies. These are massive improvement's over Sony's limited implementation.

 

[Tulipanzo]

Its a good look when EA who said they wouldn't, backed down and said Madden would support it.

Yeah, careful with that, apparently it's only around summer 2021. So still, cross-buy, but for a limited time.

 

[ManaByte]

Yeah, careful with that, apparently it's only around summer 2021. So still, cross-buy, but for a limited time.

No EA revised it to say it lasts until the next game comes out.

 

[Tulipanzo]

I don't think anyone here is delusional to the point where they are denying that Cross Buy didn't exist or that Sony didn't "do it first" (who cares).

But Microsoft is definitely putting the pressure on this time around. Full first party support, even for games that released last year like Gears 5. Disc based support, which is similar to the Xbox One's BC program but amazing to see it play out like this for non-digital copies. These are massive improvement's over Sony's limited implementation.

The interesting thing is that Sony's cross-buy couldn't really work with discs, because PS3, PS4, and Vita existed as wholly separate systems with no BC.

Thankfully both seem to be going with disc support right now.

 

[Tulipanzo]

No EA revised it to say it lasts until the next game comes out.

My bad! Still, would kind of hope most games are permanently cross-buy and this is just EA being EA.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Yeah, careful with that, apparently it's only around summer 2021. So still, cross-buy, but for a limited time.

Regardless im not worried about EA. I don't buy any of their games besides one (ufc). Its just a good to see big publishers supporting it in some way.

 

[Infamy v1]

I was answering to some posts asking if Sony would do that, I simply stated the facts. It was Xbox fans who began all this bickering.

But you didn't answer their question. The question is will Sony have a Smart Delivery equivalent, where you buy a game one time and it works cross-gen, and the technology gives you the version based on the console you're running with all the added enhancements and features, i.e., not BC.

Like he said, you instead came in here and started saying Sony has been doing cross-buy since the PS3 days, which is very misleading and a real stretch, not to mention it doesnt answer the question at all and is just console warrior fodder.

Just about everyone expects Sony to release a PS5 TLoU2 Remastered and Spiderman Remastered, for a price. If Sony decides to instead give these for free because you own the titles, that would be great, but it seems highly unlikely.

 

[jshackles]

I'm guessing studios will get around free upgrades by releasing different skus (Control Extra Special Edition).

There has been some precedent for this in the PC space where forward compatibility like this is the norm. And in nearly every case, the backlash against the publishers was so much that many of them walked it back and gave existing owners the upgraded version for free.

 

[Neo Blaster]

But you didn't answer their question. The question is will Sony have a Smart Delivery equivalent, where you buy a game one time and it works cross-gen, and the technology gives you the version based on the console you're running with all the added enhancements and features, i.e., not BC.

Like he said, you instead came in here and started saying Sony has been doing cross-buy since the PS3 days, which is very misleading and a real stretch, not to mention it doesnt answer the question at all and is just console warrior fodder.

Just about everyone expects Sony to release a PS5 TLoU2 Remastered and Spiderman Remastered, for a price. If Sony decides to instead give these for free because you own the titles, that would be great, but it seems highly unlikely.

With crossbuy, you make a single purchase and that game is added to your PSN account. When you access your account from a specific device, the game suited to that device is then downloaded to it. I can't make myself more clear than that.

Yes, there were a lot of games that could have used it, but Sony isn't the only company to blame for that, it's up to the third parties just like Smart Delivery. I really hope this time everyone will follow suit for the benefit of gamers.

 

[ManaByte]

With crossbuy, you make a single purchase and that game is added to your PSN account. When you access your account from a specific device, the game suited to that device is then downloaded to it. I can't make myself more clear than that.

Yes, there were a lot of games that could have used it, but Sony isn't the only company to blame for that, it's up to the third parties just like Smart Delivery. I really hope this time everyone will follow suit for the benefit of gamers.

Crossbuy gives you two versions of the game based on the consoles.

Smart Delivery is like how it currently works with the Xbox One S and Xbox One X where there is ONE version of the game, but the system smartly delivers the correct files and assets based on the device that it's installed on.

 

[SleepDoctor]

But you didn't answer their question. The question is will Sony have a Smart Delivery equivalent, where you buy a game one time and it works cross-gen, and the technology gives you the version based on the console you're running with all the added enhancements and features, i.e., not BC.

Like he said, you instead came in here and started saying Sony has been doing cross-buy since the PS3 days, which is very misleading and a real stretch, not to mention it doesnt answer the question at all and is just console warrior fodder.

Just about everyone expects Sony to release a PS5 TLoU2 Remastered and Spiderman Remastered, for a price. If Sony decides to instead give these for free because you own the titles, that would be great, but it seems highly unlikely.

The issue is people will bitch and complain but still support the shit just like with microtransactions.

If everyone voted with their wallet, we'd no doubt see more companies follow suit. Just look on pc. Every game, if not almost every game that gets an upgraded version is given free to owners of the original. Just look at the Mafia trilogy on pc for example.

I usually stop buy games this late in the gen cuz of it. I honestly hope Sony does support it cuz GoT will be my last purchase this gen and I'd love to get it upgraded free if they do it.

 

[eastwood333]

Excellent news. This is why Xbox is my main platform and why I buy all multiplats on it. I'm playing Morrowind in 4K on my XB1X right now. KOTOR will be next. And the thought of XSX offering even more upgrades like 60fps-120fps, native 4K, faster loading, HDR on top of having the best next gen multiplats given its the most most powerful next gen console.

MS deserves so much credit for this

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

"Up to individual publisher"

So we already know EA not gonna do it, most likely . Anyways, this is one MS's strongest strengths for next-gen and I'm glad it's something they are doing. Makes the ecosystem incredibly attractive.

 

[Matsuchezz]

And that's a bad...why?

It's like saying people shouldn't be able to play their older Steam games when they buy a new PC.

Let us know when Sony uses it for a big AAA game and not an indie.

I believe Bungie confirmed that Destiny will be Smartest Delivery on PS5.

Bungie details Destiny 2’s next-gen future, including free PS5 and Xbox Series X upgrades

Along with 60fps and 4K gameplay

www.theverge.com

As part of that commitment to supporting Destiny 2 on both current-generation and next-gen consoles, Bungie has also announced that current Destiny 2 owners on PS4 and Xbox One will get free upgrades to the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X versions of the game for all existing content.

I would want that on PS4 games released this year and that is it, I rather have Sony develop new games instead of patching older games.

 

[pasterpl]

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I would want that on PS4 games released this year and that is it, I rather have Sony develop new games instead of patching older games.

They're big enough to do both.

Patching older games is nowhere near the funding resources required as outright developing new software. If there's a substantial cost in it's manpower and hours needed given the library size, but that's about it.

Let's not act like having less options here is somehow inherently a good thing.

I want to buy a series X and play a game that pushes the hardware.

Sadly for some that's a real controversial proposition.

And you're getting that. At launch, even.

Again, this disingenuous attempt at trying to somehow convey choice of options to the customer as a negative, isn't working out. These are massive companies with the resources to do both, they aren't financially cash-strapped to choose. Same goes for Nintendo, even.

It's like saying people shouldn't be able to play their older Steam games when they buy a new PC.

...or watch their DVD collection when they buy a new Blu-Ray player. Somehow BC is seen as a negative only in gaming, kind of shows the immaturity of the medium in some ways still relative to others like film, music etc.

 

[Tulipanzo]

Hold up, is this new info?

 

[Codes 208]

Hold up, is this new info?

technically no? More of a reconfirmation of what they discussed a couple months ago.

 

[Tulipanzo]

technically no? More of a reconfirmation of what they discussed a couple months ago.

Then why do they have a new article? I genuinely thought I was posting in an older thread lol

 

[GHG]

Any publishers or developers that make this conditional or opt out of this are dickheads.

That is all.

 

[ManaByte]

Then why do they have a new article? I genuinely thought I was posting in an older thread lol

The article confirmed an XSX version of Gears 5 and gave a list of the games supporting Smart Delivery. So it is new.

 

[Tulipanzo]

The article confirmed an XSX version of Gears 5 and gave a list of the games supporting Smart Delivery. So it is new.

Didn't we know about that from months ago? Saw it on DF

 

[Codes 208]

Then why do they have a new article? I genuinely thought I was posting in an older thread lol

Because they gave a new example i guess?

 

[martino]

I believe Bungie confirmed that Destiny will be Smartest Delivery on PS5.

Bungie details Destiny 2’s next-gen future, including free PS5 and Xbox Series X upgrades

Along with 60fps and 4K gameplay

www.theverge.com

I would want that on PS4 games released this year and that is it, I rather have Sony develop new games instead of patching older games.

if one gaas is not, imo it is dead.(at least to me) (even if it's already the case for destiny 2 in my case, it will re-die)

 

[ManaByte]

Didn't we know about that from months ago? Saw it on DF

They used Gears 5 as a tech demo. They never said it would be released until now.

 

[Codes 208]

So here’s my hot take on the situation I believe that they are trying to blur the lines between this and next generation so by this fall there’s no longer going to be Xbox one and Xbox series X versions but rather just Xbox exclusives because they’re going to run on both hardware whereas on PlayStation you might see PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 versions as separate copies

 

[Rolla]

And you're getting that. At launch, even.

Again, this disingenuous attempt at trying to somehow convey choice of options to the customer as a negative, isn't working out. These are massive companies with the resources to do both, they aren't financially cash-strapped to choose. Same goes for Nintendo, even.

So...

Can I have a new AAA exclusive that isn't anchored down by hardware that will be 7 years + old?

If not then don't tell me about choice. I'm not into PR or the framing of my want of a next generation game on a next generation console as disingenuous. Thank you.

 

[Elder Legend]

Amazing stuff. Props to MS on consumer's investment and BC suppprt. Now let's see those party triple A monsters this July . Can't wait.

 

[ManaByte]

So...

Can I have a new AAA exclusive that isn't anchored down by hardware that will be 7 years + old?

If not then don't tell me about choice. I'm not into PR or the framing of my want of a next generation game on a next generation console as disingenuous. Thank you.

Claiming a specific XSX version of a game is anchored down by 7 year old hardware is disingenuous.

 

[MoreJRPG]

A Control dev posted on Reddit today that Control is coming to PS5 and XSX which gets me more confused.
Will the digital copy of Control that I own now play in the best version when upgraded to XSX?
I assume so but why announce it?
I'm guessing studios will get around free upgrades by releasing different skus (Control Extra Special Edition).

I’m guessing they’ll launch it as Definitive edition with DLC, ray tracing etc. Where as the current gen game is just the same game that runs at an
Improved frame rate on Series X and a stable 30fps on PS5 unless they announce performance enhancements to their backwards compatibility program.

 

[Tulipanzo]

They used Gears 5 as a tech demo. They never said it would be released until now.

No, I went back and checked and it was already confirmed. Afaik there's no new info here

What's even better about all of this is that Gears 5 will be available for free for Xbox Series X for anyone who owns the Xbox One X versions, thanks to Microsoft's Smart Delivery Program. The optimized version of Gears 5 will launch in tandem with the Xbox Series X.

 

[Rolla]

Claiming a specific XSX version of a game is anchored down by 7 year old hardware is disingenuous.

Are XBOX studios mandated to make their Series X games playable on this console that released in 2013?

If so then that's a problem to me as a consumer. You can call me "disingenuous" all you want because I want games that aren't anchored by 7 year old hardware, but come November, my wallet will scream otherwise.

 

[geordiemp]

MS pusing for games to be free upgrade form current to next gen is commendable and will benefit gamers where 3rd parties agree. Making it visible must shame some into complying (EA and Acti looking at you)

However, a game console deciding which files it needs to download for each console is just normal, I just dont get how that is smart ? Its just logical ?

Why would console A download files that are needed by console B only. Obvious ?

 

[ManaByte]

Are XBOX studios mandated to make their Series X games playable on this console that released in 2013?

If so then that's a problem to me as a consumer. You can call me disingenous all you want because I want games that aren't anchored by 7 year old hardware but come November, my wallet will scream otherwise.

Again you're ignoring the whole thing about Smart Delivery and HOW IT WORKS RIGHT NOW.

When you download a game on your Xbox One the system checks and sees what console you're running. It then downloads SPECIFIC FILES AND ASSETS for that console. So no, technically the Xbox One X version of the game is not running on your Xbox One S because the S cannot run those assets.

The same thing works with the Series X. If you're on an X then the system only downloads the X version of that game, it's not forcing the series X version to run on older hardware.

 

[T-Cake]

I think AC Valhalla is a new addition to the list. I thought that would have been separate SKUs for each console gen. So I may end up getting the PS4 version if Sony/Ubisoft are going to do the same for PlayStation.

 

[Tulipanzo]

MS necrobumping their own old info is just kind of sad.

Hope they announce something new soon (didn't they have a June event?)

 

[ManaByte]

Hope they announce something new soon (didn't they have a June event?)

No their event is in July and always was.

 

[Tulipanzo]

I think AC Valhalla is a new addition to the list. I thought that would have been separate SKUs for each console gen. So I may end up getting the PS4 version if Sony/Ubisoft are going to do the same for PlayStation.

Nope, old info (https://www.ign.com/articles/assassins-creed-valhalla-will-support-smart-delivery-on-xbox-series-x)

 

[Tulipanzo]

No their event is in July and always was.

Starting with the May 7 episode of Inside Xbox, we will be showcasing what happens next in the world of Xbox, every month, which is why we’re calling it “Xbox 20/20.”

So, are they skipping June? Because there was supposed to be an event.

 

[IntentionalPun]

So, are they skipping June? Because there was supposed to be an event.

Nobody knows what's up with June but it was clear from their messaging 1st party games are July.

But nothing about that says an "event" every month; for all we know it's xbox.com blogs.

 

[Iced Arcade]

I usually won't buy much if any games at the end of a gen but this really helps since you won't be wasting your purchase due to the free upgrade.

My thought as well.

 

[jshackles]

MS pusing for games to be free upgrade form current to next gen is commendable and will benefit gamers where 3rd parties agree. Making it visible must shame some into complying (EA and Acti looking at you)

However, a game console deciding which files it needs to download for each console is just normal, I just dont get how that is smart ? Its just logical ?

Why would console A download files that are needed by console B only. Obvious ?

To put it into perspective with it's closest analogue, PC:

Say you're a developer and you're releasing a game on Steam. This would be like if Steam allowed you to upload different versions of your game that could be run on Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 10. Steam would detect that you're trying to install the game on Windows 10, so it would download the Windows 10-specific build of that game that may have additional DirectX 12 features. Or maybe you're downloading the game on Windows XP (hypothetically) and Steam knows to deliver the version of the game that's much older and supports the 32bit OS.

 

[geordiemp]

To put it into perspective with it's closest analogue, PC:

Say you're a developer and you're releasing a game on Steam. This would be like if Steam allowed you to upload different versions of your game that could be run on Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 10. Steam would detect that you're trying to install the game on Windows 10, so it would download the Windows 10-specific build of that game that may have additional DirectX 12 features. Or maybe you're downloading the game on Windows XP (hypothetically) and Steam knows to deliver the version of the game that's much older and supports the 32bit OS.

Naturally.

And do you think ps3 downloaded the ps4 files of games, or ps4 downloaded the ps3 versions ?

I just dont get why its labelled or perceived as special, its normal no ?

Credit where its due MS is pushing console publishers to make the gen cross over of games from 3rd party free, Congrats, I get it.

The rest of the rhetoric is just PR nonsense IMO.