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[Thirty7ven]

Again, sounds like last gen just a different tune. Lol

Must have been a really tough generation for you. Don’t worry, I think this time you aren’t being ripped off. Be happy. Trying to convince others that they should feel like you felt doesn’t work if they don’t... you know, feel the same...

 

[FranXico]

It's because the PS5 still has secrets that they won't reveal just yet

I'm pretty sure he's referring to games and OS features. There's nothing shocking being kept as a secret regarding hardware features.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The custom I/O chip was designed for a specific SSD spec requirement. Why do you assume they could have went with a slower SSD? Please explain.

Well if they could have designed their I/O system to work with a slower SSD and thus save on cost. But they wanted to build the fastest I/O system they could and that isn't cheap.

 

[sendit]

Cerny botched that lecture. Hard AF. If it was as successful as many suggest, there wouldn't be this hyper adamant, damage control we've been seeing from Sony fans and devs alike. Literally, every thread created to try and put the PS5 in a better light (and there are many every week) proves it. It reeks of desperation. If Sony were top dog in hardware, or the message was clearer, we wouldn't need all these elaborate mind twisting alternate realties so many come up with m8.

Agreed. Sony needs more buzzwords. Phil Spencer is king:

On a side note. The PS5 controller reveal generated more hype than the whole Xbox eco system.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I'm pretty sure he's referring to games and OS features. There's nothing shocking being kept as a secret regarding hardware features.

Software features are just as exciting. Shareplay evolved and remote play plus creation features are crazy excited for. Plus few things hardware wise in regards to controller probably still exist and psvr2 but we won't hear anything about that probably till around 6 months to a year after psv launches.

 

[AveragePhoenix]

Why are you so triggered?

All I hear is- without evidence that the PS5 needs to be downclocked, that its overheating, that Sony is lying and the "boost clocks" are reactionary- NO SOURCES. Just
Fanboy FUD. And I give examples showing that Microsofts clock rate is very very high compared to previous AMD clocks-

You insist what.. Microsoft is going to leave performance on the table? Or what... that NOT leaving performance on the table and Sony doing what
every PC graphics card has done for many years is somehow a bad choice? I sound like a child for pointing out that Microsofts clocks are high
and could be open for the same critique as Sony's 'boost clock" which gives Sony a way to mitigate the possible heat where Microsoft claims
they never will make any attempt no matter how HOT the system gets? (LOL bs)

Sony's boost is about ~300mhz about a 15 percent boost over previous gen similarly numbered CU cards.
Microsofts is about 22 percent higher than similar cards from this generation.

Oh now I'm triggered?
When MS uses boost clocks (In a way that is not even close to the madness the PS5 is doing) then you say they're lying and that the console will get too hot for it to sustain these clocks. But when the PS5 does it's just what every PC GPU has done for so many years. Got you.

 

[AveragePhoenix]

Agreed. Sony needs more buzzwords. Phil Spencer is king:

On a side note. The PS5 controller reveal generated more hype than the whole Xbox eco system.

Sony is the one not pushing 60fps this gen buddy. Almost all first-party games by Xbox run at 60fps

 

[loktaiextatus]

Oh now I'm triggered?
When MS uses boost clocks (In a way that is not even close to the madness the PS5 is doing) then you say they're lying and that the console will get too hot for it to sustain these clocks. But when the PS5 does it's just what every PC GPU has done for so many years. Got you.

You could have quoted where I said what youre claiming..... but you cant because you're erecting a straw man. I said that if you throw a towel over an XBOX or put it in
a closed cabinet youre telling me it wont thermal throttle? With time the dust gets in it?

but people say the PS5 is going to throttle or should be running "base" clocks (base clocks on an average GPU today are hundreds of megahertz lower than the
boost clock.. Sony's is a couple hundred MHZ over its "base" clock)

15ish percent over what 40ish CU cards do today in boost clock speed.

Microsoft is over 20 percent above what 50+CU cards do today in boost clock speed.

But.. Sony is "madness" because they say "dont worry, if it gets hot it'll clock down a few percent".

Gotcha.

 

[Gavon West]

Must have been a really tough generation for you. Don’t worry, I think this time you aren’t being ripped off. Be happy. Trying to convince others that they should feel like you felt doesn’t work if they don’t... you know, feel the same...

I was quite happy with a number of games on the One X, personally. Never felt ripped off. Bought what I wanted regardless of scores. It'd be a different tale if all I had were games that would last me about 3-4 days and I shelved that bitch indefinitely after spending $60+ when I finished with it though. Legit.

 

[sendit]

Sony is the one not pushing 60fps this gen buddy. Almost all first-party games by Xbox run at 60fps

Agreed. They (Microsoft) have a sizzling hot lineup of first-party 60 FPS games.

 

[Gavon West]

Agreed. Sony needs more buzzwords. Phil Spencer is king:

On a side note. The PS5 controller reveal generated more hype than the whole Xbox eco system.

Well, its inspired by the best pad on the block (Xbox One controller) so I'd hope so. Congratulations. Let me know how much more "immersed " you feel when using it, won't you? lol

 

[IDKFA]

Good because my PS4 sounds like a hair dryer.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I was quite happy with a number of games on the One X, personally. Never felt ripped off. Bought what I wanted regardless of scores. It'd be a different tale if all I had were games that would last me about 3-4 days and I shelved that bitch indefinitely after spending $60+ when I finished with it though. Legit.

I’m sure you waited for the One X until you bought a Xbox.

If only we could play these games that Xbox Games Studios didn’t make and hasn’t made, wait brb using my imagination

Meanwhile you can use your imagination to fantasize about negative scenarios about the PS5. You know what I’m talking about, seeing that picture in your mind of big lines of people waiting to buy a XSX and almost nobody there to buy a PS5. Everyone happy for each other and high fiving chanting “hell yeah Xbox, hell yeah!” And getting free t shirts that say “Phil told you so!”, girls showing their tits and everyone having a blast

 

[sendit]

Well, its inspired by the best pad on the block (Xbox One controller) so I'd hope so. Congratulations. Let me know how much more "immersed " you feel when using it, won't you? lol

I'm not sure what you're getting at. However, the dual stick layout predates back to Playstation 1 era. Who inspired who?

You discussed Sony's PR with PS5 and how an utter failure it is. The hype generated by a controller reveal states otherwise. Can you try to present some substance other than fantasies?

 

[Tripolygon]

Why do you assume we're only suggesting power is the one thing that wins generations? No one said that. But the first thing people will notice are the visuals. Visuals are accomplished through power. If power really didn't matter, we wouldn't have new gens. Technology always moves forward.

I can assure you nobody is going to GameStop or Amazon to buy a PS4 and then thinks;

"oh digital foundry did a comparison between PS4 and XOX and they zoomed in 300% and the XOX version looked sharper so I'm now going to buy an XOX"

That's never been the case. People however think

This game looks amazing, I'm going to buy it on X console, because it is cheaper, has more exclusives that i like and its a brand that i like. Unless you fuck up royally then that might effect your brand slightly but at this point PlayStation is like Apple, they can fuck up and still sell a ton of home consoles.

You are right about one thing though, the first thing people notice is visuals and in that department, neither console is going to be lacking.

 

[MasterCornholio]

"oh digital foundry did a comparison between PS4 and XOX and they zoomed in 300% and the XOX version looked sharper so I'm now going to buy an XOX"

That's a really good point. It's not like they are going to walk into a GameStop and see each system running a multiplat on a 4K screen side by side.

The people who already are pretty invested in an ecosystem will probably stick with that ecosystem since they can just being their software over. It's the brand new console owners that will need to be convinced for the most part.

 

[RokkanStoned]

Would be a big plus if it could stay quiet and cool. My PS4 has made my wife crazy at times and I have to admit it's way too loud. To fit in a living room it needs to have a low enough noise as to not be disturbing.
Was the XBOne any quieter? I've never owned an Xbox, so I don't really know if it was the same for both consoles this generation.

 

[Hobbygaming]

What kind of secrets though? Could be anything, positive and negative.

LOL that is one of the people that worked on the PS5 and he's obviously saying there's good things about the hardware that haven't leaked

 

[Myths]

So it’s RGB? Finally getting on the trend

 

[loktaiextatus]

That's a really good point. It's not like they are going to walk into a GameStop and see each system running a multiplat on a 4K screen side by side.

The people who already are pretty invested in an ecosystem will probably stick with that ecosystem since they can just being their software over. It's the brand new console owners that will need to be convinced for the most part.

Usually its the experience people have with the previous generation that wins people - or outright price or big exclusives.

Saturn had a hard time because Genesis owners had a bad time- a lot of weird addon released and confusion coupled with a high price.
It wasnt even the games that did them in- though Sonys FMV commercials didnt hurt. Sony PS3 in spite of many fumbles and coming out
a year after XBOX did fine- the XBOX 360 was unopposed and won a good bit of user base from Sony and Nintendo fans waiting for new machines-
you could buy a new gen console a year early. It was because of the broken machines, lack of support at end of life etc that the PS4 was so
successful, and again the price at launch didnt hurt - not even just because of the XBOX's PR.

This generation- Microsoft is not in a BAD position. The XBOX ecosystem is pretty healthy right now, the X is out and its really nice. I didnt want a launch
Xbox One but I did buy an X- and I like it. I wouldnt trade my PS4 for an XBOX ONE but the console itself is nice. I play it all the time recently.
Game pass is great.

Honestly I will probably buy the PS5 outright at launch and maybe buy the Xbox also- but Microsoft said they will be releasing all their first party games on the
Xbox One as well, so maybe wait a year.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Agreed. They (Microsoft) have a sizzling hot lineup of first-party 60 FPS games.

 

[Gavon West]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. However, the dual stick layout predates back to Playstation 1 era. Who inspired who?

You discussed Sony's PR with PS5 and how an utter failure it is. The hype generated by a controller reveal states otherwise. Can you try to present some substance other than fantasies?

Instagram likes, you mean? LOL!!

That's.......special. I guess.

Back on topic...

The reveal was ass, yes. Yes it was. You dont starve the whole of the entire gaming community going ape-shit for ANY INFORMATION about your next gen product, announce on social media that you're going to finally reveal the damned thing. Use a lame ass lecture that was probably intended for devs, and then suddenly its like, "B..b...but, it wasnt meant for gamers!"

Then why announce your "dev talk" on social media about your product thats been MIA for months, knowing god damn well gamers were gonna chime in to watch, fuckstick???

NEWSFLASH: When you drop off radar with news about your next gen console for months and in the face of an aggressive competitor, ANY "dev talk" will become the OFFICIAL REVEAL, no matter who it was meant for. And Cerny botched it. That shit was so boring my grandmama came back from the grave to tell me to turn that shit off.

 

[DESTROYA]

That's practically guaranteed if past consoles are anything to go by

Same price is guarantee? I can’t see MS charging the same price unless they are willing to eat some of the cost.

Would be a big plus if it could stay quiet and cool. My PS4 has made my wife crazy at times and I have to admit it's way too loud. To fit in a living room it needs to have a low enough noise as to not be disturbing.
Was the XBOne any quieter? I've never owned an Xbox, so I don't really know if it was the same for both consoles this generation.

Yes the Xbox1 had a quieter console last gen

 

[Gavon West]

I can assure you nobody is going to GameStop or Amazon to buy a PS4 and then thinks;

"oh digital foundry did a comparison between PS4 and XOX and they zoomed in 300% and the XOX version looked sharper so I'm now going to buy an XOX"

That's never been the case. People however think

This game looks amazing, I'm going to buy it on X console, because it is cheaper, has more exclusives that i like and its a brand that i like. Unless you fuck up royally then that might effect your brand slightly but at this point PlayStation is like Apple, they can fuck up and still sell a ton of home consoles.

You are right about one thing though, the first thing people notice is visuals and in that department, neither console is going to be lacking.

Your missing the forest here. DF is for the hardcore gamers. We watch DF and the first initial investors of next gen hardware. We, then go and tell our casual friends and those newly invested in gaming. This is the beginning of a new gen. And this is a whole new ball game. Sony and Microsoft are set to swing for the fences in software this time 'round.

And I disgree that Sony can fuck up and still sell a ton. No. No they cant.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Instagram likes, you mean? LOL!!

That's.......special. I guess.

Back on topic...

The reveal was ass, yes. Yes it was. You dont starve the whole of the entire gaming community going ape-shit for ANY INFORMATION about your next gen product, announce on social media that you're going to finally reveal the damned thing. Use a lame ass lecture that was probably intended for devs, and then suddenly its like, "B..b...but, it wasnt meant for gamers!"

Then why announce your "dev talk" on social media about your product thats been MIA for months, knowing god damn well gamers were gonna chime in to watch, fuckstick???

NEWSFLASH: When you drop off radar with news about your next gen console for months and in the face of an aggressive competitor, ANY "dev talk" will become the OFFICIAL REVEAL, no matter who it was meant for. And Cerny botched it. That shit was so boring my grandmama came back from the grave to tell me to turn that shit off.

It wasnt flashy but, he revealed all the specs, talked about what they meant. I dont think he was much of a showman but I felt it was alright . It still isnt really a reveal, they didnt show the machine or any software or anything. I know its past due, Im not defending the silence, I just mean its not the end of the world if we get a dry talk instead of a proper showing.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Yes the Xbox1 had a quieter console last gen

True. The lower TF , last minute overclocked XBOX ONE was quieter.

 

[Gavon West]

Same price is guarantee? I can’t see MS charging the same price unless they are willing to eat some of the cost.



Yes the Xbox1 had a quieter console last gen

Guaranteed the Series X will be at the same price as the PS5 or possibly lower. Theyve already said they wont be out priced nor out powered by Sony again.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Instagram likes, you mean? LOL!!

That's.......special. I guess.

Back on topic...

The reveal was ass, yes. Yes it was. You dont starve the whole of the entire gaming community going ape-shit for ANY INFORMATION about your next gen product, announce on social media that you're going to finally reveal the damned thing. Use a lame ass lecture that was probably intended for devs, and then suddenly its like, "B..b...but, it wasnt meant for gamers!"

Then why announce your "dev talk" on social media about your product thats been MIA for months, knowing god damn well gamers were gonna chime in to watch, fuckstick???

NEWSFLASH: When you drop off radar with news about your next gen console for months and in the face of an aggressive competitor, ANY "dev talk" will become the OFFICIAL REVEAL, no matter who it was meant for. And Cerny botched it. That shit was so boring my grandmama came back from the grave to tell me to turn that shit off.

If people thought that the Cerny talk will be full of PS5 reveals and demos and got squat, that's on them, not Cerny. The very first statement Cerny makes is that "There'll be plenty of opportunities to show PS5 games in the future, however now I want to talk about the PS5's capabilities, blah blah blah"

The coronavirus made the dev talk impossible to be in-person, so they did it digitally. And since they broadcasted it digitally, they said 'why not show it to the public as well, in order to learn a thing or two about the PS5 and get them off our backs for a while, since we're not ready to show games?'

That's all there is to it.

I also find it hilarious that you act as if MS did a wonderful job revealing the Series X, when the only games they showed were X Box One X games which were backwards compatible with the damn thing.

We have game footage from Godfall for PS5, and an in-engine cutscene trailer from Hellblade 2 for Series X. So far, PS5 wins in terms of gameplay footage. And yet I cannot help but applaud MS' psychological strategy when it makes people like yourself believe that it has shown more next-gen material than Sony.

 

[DESTROYA]

Guaranteed the Series X will be at the same price as the PS5 or possibly lower. Theyve already said they wont be out priced nor out powered by Sony again.

Guaranteed lower price...lol that will never happen

 

[Gavon West]

Guaranteed lower price...lol that will never happen

I said they'll match Sony or possibly go lower. I Wouldnt throw shade at a lower cost than the PS5 either. If you heard Phil Spencers last podcast, he sounded like he has all the support he needs from Micrsoft to be flexible with the price.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Guaranteed the Series X will be at the same price as the PS5 or possibly lower. Theyve already said they wont be out priced nor out powered by Sony again.

But why is Phil so concerned about the price of the PS5? Isn't Stadia his rival this (next) gen?

 

[loktaiextatus]

I said they'll match Sony or possibly go lower. I Wouldnt throw shade at a lower cost than the PS5 either. If you heard Phil Spencers last podcast, he sounded like he has all the support he needs from Micrsoft to be flexible with the price.

Exactly- I would not discount this. They have some good hardware if they can get some market share- I would NOT put it past Microsoft to price this thing even at an initial loss-
Knowing they will make it up on gamepass and other things without an issue over the first year or two, because thats exactly how the consoles are usually pushed- at a loss.
Last generation was an exception because the HW was underpowered AT RELEASE. Example : The PS3 was the cheapest Bluray player you could buy at launch basically - it
was also considered a good one. The loss Sony took per console was no doubt large. To be able to get a bluray player for 499 was already a deal.

 

[DESTROYA]

I said they'll match Sony or possibly go lower. I Wouldnt throw shade at a lower cost than the PS5 either. If you heard Phil Spencers last podcast, he sounded like he has all the support he needs from Micrsoft to be flexible with the price.

You do realize companies are out to make money, so they will at best be the same price if not a bit more expensive.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Exactly- I would not discount this. They have some good hardware if they can get some market share- I would NOT put it past Microsoft to price this thing even at an initial loss-
Knowing they will make it up on gamepass and other things without an issue over the first year or two, because thats exactly how the consoles are usually pushed- at a loss.
Last generation was an exception because the HW was underpowered AT RELEASE. Example : The PS3 was the cheapest Bluray player you could buy at launch basically - it
was also considered a good one. The loss Sony took per console was no doubt large. To be able to get a bluray player for 499 was already a deal.

I can't help but shake my head at how cheap and foolish some gamers can be. I mean, you (you in general, not you you) are about to decide which console will sit on your living room for the next 5-7 years, and you will let your decision be swayed by 50-100 bucks you'll fork out ONCE during this 7 year period? That's insane.

 

[Gavon West]

If people thought that the Cerny talk will be full of PS5 reveals and demos and got squat, that's on them, not Cerny. The very first statement Cerny makes is that "There'll be plenty of opportunities to show PS5 games in the future, however now I want to talk about the PS5's capabilities, blah blah blah"

The coronavirus made the dev talk impossible to be in-person, so they did it digitally. And since they broadcasted it digitally, they said 'why not show it to the public as well, in order to learn a thing or two about the PS5 and get them off our backs for a while, since we're not ready to show games?'

That's all there is to it.

I also find it hilarious that you act as if MS did a wonderful job revealing the Series X, when the only games they showed were X Box One X games which were backwards compatible with the damn thing.

We have game footage from Godfall for PS5, and an in-engine cutscene trailer from Hellblade 2 for Series X. So far, PS5 wins in terms of gameplay footage. And yet I cannot help but applaud MS' psychological strategy when it makes people like yourself believe that it has shown more next-gen material than Sony.

I dont think anyone thought there would be games shown. That's BS.

Actually, MS did do a great job at the console reveal! They were so fucking confident they crashed in on TGA with the form factor, then had DF do the breakdown of the actual hardware. Not someone else from the team. They knocked that shit out of the park! You're nuts!

Godfall gameplay? You meant that 3rd party, sub-standard pile of shit we saw thats not even an exlcusive? I personally wouldnt use that as an example if I were you. That's just me, if I were you, if it were me, if I were you....You know? TF?

No broski! Sony showed fuck all compared to the Series X as far as hardware, or games.

 

[Nickolaidas]

I dont think anyone thought there would be games shown. That's BS.

Actually, MS did do a great job at the console reveal! They were so fucking confident they crashed in on TGA with the form factor, then had DF do the breakdown! They knocked that shit out of the park! You're nuts!

Godfall gameplay? You meant that 3rd party, sub-standard pile of shit we saw thats not even an exlcusive? I personally wouldnt use that as an example if I were you. That's just me, if I were you, if it were me, if I were you....You know? TF?

No broski! Sony showed fuck all compared to the Series X as far as hardware, or games.

Then please tell me, what games did Series X show? You know, in terms of gameplay. Not in-engine cutscenes. Or backwards compatible games.

I'm waiting.

EDIT: Apparently I must be living in some kind of parallel dimension where a game like Godfall is a 'sub-standard pile of shit'. If that's a pile of shit, I don't think my heart can take the AAA titles.

 

[Gavon West]

Then please tell me, what games did Series X show? You know, in terms of gameplay. Not in-engine cutscenes. Or backwards compatible games.

I'm waiting.

Frankly, what does it matter? They still showed more than Sony concerning the PS5 when it comes to games. You're really going to use Godfall gameplay as an example?? That shit looked current gen. You really want to die on that sword??

Its not even an exclusive and the initial showing was very unimpressive as well as the actual gameplay. In the face of Hellblade II and Project Mara, it shouldnt be in the same conversation.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Your missing the forest here. DF is for the hardcore gamers. We watch DF and the first initial investors of next gen hardware. We, then go and tell our casual friends and those newly invested in gaming. This is the beginning of a new gen. And this is a whole new ball game. Sony and Microsoft are set to swing for the fences in software this time 'round.

And I disgree that Sony can fuck up and still sell a ton. No. No they cant.

Actually you’re the one missing the forest for the trees. Once again PlayStation will end the generation on a high note of defining exclusives leading straight into the next gen. Once again Xbox ends the generation on a quitters note.

There’s 3 generations of Xbox out there, gamers know what these brands mean by now.

It’s ironic that the usual crowd is worried and concerned about reliability when only one of these companies is known for having launched a console that holds the Guiness record for least reliable console ever.

There’s a fuck ton more hype for the PS5 and all we have is a logo, a controller, and a gdc lecture. This isn’t amazing news for the popularity of the Xbox.... which has shown almost everything it has to show.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Again, sounds like last gen just a different tune. Lol

Let me point out the differences between the next generation and last generation for y'all

PS5 - Focused on hardcore gaming 1st
Xbox One - Kinect and TV focus 1st

PS5 - Will be the same price as the XSX or cheaper
Xbox One - Less powerful AND $100 more expensive

PS5 - No DRM
Xbox One - The fumble of the decade

PS5 - Will have 4 generations of great games under their belt

 

[Nickolaidas]

Frankly, what does it matter? They still showed more than Sony concerning the PS5 when it comes to games. You're really going to use Godfall gameplay as an example?? That shit looked current gen. You really want to die on that sword??

Its not even an exclusive and the initial showing was very unimpressive as well as the actual gameplay. In the face of Hellblade II and Project Mara, it shouldnt be in the same conversation.

Oh nononononononono ...

You don't get to say that MS did 'an amazing reveal' which knocked it out of the park … and then tell me 'it doesn't matter that they didn't show a single. fucking. next-gen game. for the console.'

That's NOT … knocking it out of the park. They showed a box. Had other people do the hardware talk for them … and didn't show a single game.

So, no. It wasn't amazing.

 

[Gavon West]

Let me point out the differences between the next generation and last generation for y'all

PS5 - Focused on hardcore gaming 1st
Xbox One - Kinect and TV focus 1st

PS5 - Will be the same price as the XSX or cheaper
Xbox One - Less powerful AND $100 more expensive

PS5 - No DRM
Xbox One - The fumble of the decade

PS5 - Will have 4 generations of great games under their belt

You're not understanding me. I'm saying the mental gymnastics to try and make the PS5 something more than it is or equal, or as powerful as the Series X sounds like Xbox fans last gen with attempting to make the One X more than it was, is shockingly similar similar to what Sony fan are trying to do now that PS5 isn't 13tf. Just to be clear....

 

[Goliathy]

Oh nononononononono ...

You don't get to say that MS did 'an amazing reveal' which knocked it out of the park … and then tell me 'it doesn't matter that they didn't show a single. fucking. next-gen game. for the console.'

That's NOT … knocking it out of the park. They showed a box. Had other people do the hardware talk for them … and didn't show a single game.

So, no. It wasn't amazing.

huh? they showed hellblade II last year lol with the reveal

 

[loktaiextatus]

I can't help but shake my head at how cheap and foolish some gamers can be. I mean, you (you in general, not you you) are about to decide which console will sit on your living room for the next 5-7 years, and you will let your decision be swayed by 50-100 bucks you'll fork out ONCE during this 7 year period? That's insane.

I dont personally.. I mean clearly a ton of people chose the PS3. People generally need to be persuaded to spend more.
If youre in the store and you see 2 brands you dont recognize and think to yourself "what difference will this make" buying say
a CAN OPENER that you'll use for 10-20 years, and one is 5 bucks and one is 10 ... you may pick the 5 dollar one.

If you recognize the brand and your parents had the same one, you've used it and you know it lasts, youll spend 10 dollars VS the one
you dont know.

If they're both brands you know are good and one has a 399 price tag and one has a 499 price tag.... Yeah I get it half a decade means
the difference is like 20 bucks a year- But the initial BITE is still there.

But that didnt stop the talk of "Wii60" back in 2006 when everyone said NOBODY will buy the PS3 because you can get BOTH of the other
consoles for the same price. Ignore that neither of those machines could play blurays, neither had Wifi built in, neither had standard blutooth,
or whatever else you wanted to point out, value proposition is different depending on your biases, be it brand bias, USAGE bias (Is this product meant for me? Will I use X feature?"
or even just bias to buy a cheaper option or a more expensive option depending on how you look at it and how much it MATTERS to you.

Tons of people buy cheap shitty tires to save 150 bucks over the course of 5 years and it REALLY affects their quality of life but they dont care.

 

[Nickolaidas]

huh? they showed hellblade II last year lol with the reveal

They showed an in-engine amalgam of cutscenes. I'm talking. Game. Play.

Surely, an amazing console reveal must have some next-gen gameplay, right? Otherwise what's so amazing about it?

 

[loktaiextatus]

They showed an in-engine amalgam of cutscenes. I'm talking. Game. Play.

Surely, an amazing console reveal must have some next-gen gameplay, right? Otherwise what's so amazing about it?

HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE YOU. Are you forgetting the RAW BEAUTY that is MINECRAFT ? I kid but... Still yeah.

I think we need to wait a little and see the actual games. I have a feeling we'll be flinging lots of mud back and forth in a month or so.

 

[Paulxo87]

We need to start seeing these actual fucking games. And exlusive games at that to really see what these consoles can do. We have nothing to go on except for hellblade. I don't even count that looter slasher PS5 game as anything

 

[Lort]

Sony ps5 requires expensive cooling due to overclock to reach 10 tf.

Who’s have THUNK it!

 

[sendit]

Then please tell me, what games did Series X show? You know, in terms of gameplay. Not in-engine cutscenes. Or backwards compatible games.

I'm waiting.

EDIT: Apparently I must be living in some kind of parallel dimension where a game like Godfall is a 'sub-standard pile of shit'. If that's a pile of shit, I don't think my heart can take the AAA titles.

Disagree. We have seen more footage of XSX exclusives over PS5 exclusives:

XSX exclusive "Orphan of the Machine"

 

[Durask]

I just hope it does not look like this, this thing reminds me of a Crown amp.

 

[Hobbygaming]

You're not understanding me. I'm saying the mental gymnastics to try and make the PS5 something more than it is or equal, or as powerful as the Series X sounds like Xbox fans last gen with attempting to make the One X more than it was, is shockingly similar similar to what Sony fan are trying to do now that PS5 isn't 13tf. Just to be clear....

It's not mental gymnastics when it's coming from developers and other credible people