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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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o'dium said:
The memory, I’m still under the assumption that it’s 16gb full, but the speed I was given, I honestly just don’t buy it myself and feel it was a fake out.
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As in much higher that it's crazy much, or much lower that you don't understand that you would support that GPU with such low RAM bandwidth?
 
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As in much higher that it's crazy much, or much lower that you don't understand that you would support that GPU with such low RAM bandwidth?
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Ot won’t be lower, not a chance. I was quoted 16gb, bit it could be 16gb with extra for the os ON TOP, not included Like MS did. but the speed I was quoted at was lower than SX at 512, and I don’t know about that...?

BUT...

The SSDS in these systems change the playing rules, and you no longer need massive amounts of fast memory, because it’s just not needed. No game scene I have ever done, including working with ray tracing, has ever gone this high with current in scene vram usage, and as such that’s what people are forgetting. You’re not going to be loading a whole scene into memory, but what is needed as it’s needed. And as such, the lower than expected ram setups are actually fine.

Srill hope SX bumps it to 16 full without OS though, but because it’s too fucking weird a number for me to focus on lol.
 
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CJY said:
CHOO CHOO! For your ticket aboard the Hype Train, Simply REACT to this post.

Driver: Mark Cerny
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Please let me In?
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Also hi everybody,
have been lurking here ever since o'dium started his pigeon riddle.
Thread's a lot of fun and yet also filled with cancer fanboism on either side.

To be honest I miself am a Sony Fanboi and I would like todays reveal to be something great that no one here suspected.
However I am old and wise enough to expect something modest. Maybe even on par with MS in terms of TFLOPS. Probably something a little weaker.

And yet I can't wait for Cerny to kick those Sony hater asses:
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The new console generation will establish a new baseline for game development.
I'm really curious how this will affect upcoming AAA Titles from now on. :messenger_fire::messenger_rocket:
 
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o'dium said:
It won’t be lower, not a chance. I was quoted 16gb, bit it could be 16gb with extra for the os ON TOP, not included Like MS did. but the speed I was quoted at was lower than SX at 512, and I don’t know about that...?

BUT...

The SSDS in these systems change the playing rules, and you no longer need massive amounts of fast memory, because it’s just not needed. No game scene I have ever done, including working with ray tracing, has ever gone this high with current in scene vram usage, and as such that’s what people are forgetting. You’re not going to be loading a whole scene into memory, but what is needed as it’s needed. And as such, the lower than expected ram setups are actually fine.

Still hope SX bumps it to 16 full without OS though, but because it’s too fucking weird a number for me to focus on lol.
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Interesting, this would tell me that Microsoft made the right decision (for now). If you don't need that much RAM, it makes more sense to put in less RAM with higher bandwidth than more RAM that is slower, due to the fast SSD. Wondering if this has a big effect on the BOM, since things like this make the price.

And it's really weird that Playstation with their even faster SSD didn't do something similar. PS5 is maybe a bit more future proof?
 
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Sinthor said:
So... I saw the specs MS released. We have had 8GB this generation available for games. Does anyone else think bumping that to 10GB is a bit anemic? I know there's another 6GB but at half the speed, I'd expect that to have a significant performance cost. Normally, having split memory banks, especially on different speed busses is 'not a good thing.' Anyone with a graphics or game development background that can chime in on this? Seriously seems like a bottle neck to me.
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No, devs had 5GBs for game development for the base systems. This gets bumped up to 13.5GBs for XBOX X.
 
Agnostic2020

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o'dium said:
Ot won’t be lower, not a chance. I was quoted 16gb, bit it could be 16gb with extra for the os ON TOP, not included Like MS did. but the speed I was quoted at was lower than SX at 512, and I don’t know about that...?

BUT...

The SSDS in these systems change the playing rules, and you no longer need massive amounts of fast memory, because it’s just not needed. No game scene I have ever done, including working with ray tracing, has ever gone this high with current in scene vram usage, and as such that’s what people are forgetting. You’re not going to be loading a whole scene into memory, but what is needed as it’s needed. And as such, the lower than expected ram setups are actually fine.

Srill hope SX bumps it to 16 full without OS though, but because it’s too fucking weird a number for me to focus on lol.
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If 16gb is all 512
Vs the 10 gb at 550 and 6 at 330

Which ine is better overall ? Same ?
 
SublimeAnarky

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o'dium said:
Ot won’t be lower, not a chance. I was quoted 16gb, bit it could be 16gb with extra for the os ON TOP, not included Like MS did. but the speed I was quoted at was lower than SX at 512, and I don’t know about that...?

BUT...

The SSDS in these systems change the playing rules, and you no longer need massive amounts of fast memory, because it’s just not needed. No game scene I have ever done, including working with ray tracing, has ever gone this high with current in scene vram usage, and as such that’s what people are forgetting. You’re not going to be loading a whole scene into memory, but what is needed as it’s needed. And as such, the lower than expected ram setups are actually fine.

Srill hope SX bumps it to 16 full without OS though, but because it’s too fucking weird a number for me to focus on lol.
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At this point, so close to release, how realistic or possible is it for either MS and Sony to revise their target specs? If MS feels compelled to change RAM after Sony's release today - Can they? And why wouldn't Sony be able to react?
 
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o'dium said:
Couple of years back a virus got me and wiped out 6 months work. Corona is just an excuse to game in my pants. I feel like shit, but my backlog sure is smiling at me.
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Oh no....not another here. Please, please take excellent care of yourself, you and your awesome family 🍻🙏🏻. That’s just terrible...
 
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SublimeAnarky said:
At this point, so close to release, how realistic or possible is it for either MS and Sony to revise their target specs? If MS feels compelled to change RAM after Sony's release today - Can they? And why wouldn't Sony be able to react?
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I think they can, but in my opinion this wouldn't make sense. It has an impact on the BOM, and also that's not a great look to make these changes so late... Gives you the feeling Microsoft didn't know what they were doing while they clearly do know.
 
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SublimeAnarky said:
At this point, so close to release, how realistic or possible is it for either MS and Sony to revise their target specs? If MS feels compelled to change RAM after Sony's release today - Can they? And why wouldn't Sony be able to react?
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It is impossible, Microsoft is already in mass production with XSX. If you wach DF video/ or Austin, they Say that the XSX is in production.

Shinoby says that you cant cancel something that is already done. (Resetera)
 
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
I think it's because a lot of people are thinking like it's 2013 but the difference this time is that MS is actually designing a system with gaming as the primary focus. In 2013 gaming came off as "just a required bonus" to them and that multimedia was the main focus (just look at what they led off the reveal with).

That isn't happening this time, and I suspect Sony is also going gaming-first, hopefully. So I expect relatively even performance out of them once you factor in all the components like CPU, GPU, RAM, bandwidth, storage speed and size, cache, RT, etc. Yeah they might have slight advantages over each other in certain areas but it'll eventually come out to a wash.
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I wasn't just the focus on multimedia that led to the Xbox one performance defficientcy , it was the addition of an expensive cameria that was never really supported and most people only used to turn the console on and off! MS have no such nonsense this time so the BOM can focus on gaming performance. If PS5 and XSX are aiming for the same price point, these machines will nigh on be indentical, especially as AMD are the SOC provider!!
 
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Fdkenzo said:
It is impossible, Microsoft is already in mass production with XSX. If you wach DF video/ or Austin, they Say that the XSX is in production.

Shinoby says that you cant cancel something that is already done. (Resetera)
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I think more Ram should not be a big problem, but why should they do so? They are no idiots and if they think 16GB will be enough i trust them. I guess in 4 years we will see the mid gen upgrades and until then 16GB will never ever be a problem or bottleneck.
 
Gavin Stevens

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Is SX confirmed to be on production then? Bit early isn’t it? It’s possible they could up it, however, this generation is the first you will see consoles break free of strict memory boundaries. So it’s not exactly essential, as it’s there for more so as a one two punch with other components and features.

Will be interesting later that’s for sure.
 
farmerboy

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Evilms said:
Second tweet
"This video contains a session scheduled at the Game Developers Conference (GDC) in the United States, and will be in English only (no subtitles). Please be advised."
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Thanks, that's pretty interesting. Is it normal to have GDC talks pre-recorded? I thought that stuff was live.
 
PaintTinJr

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DrAspirino said:
THIS.

People on the hype train should realize that PS5 won't have much more power than XSX. If anything, both will be rather equal in performance because of the price cap ($500). People who think that Sony or Microsoft would sell the console at a loss - given how grim the economy future is - are just kidding themselves.
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I’m not convinced Xbox is restricted to that price cap, as they seem to have pitched specifically at the UK and US market in the way they made DF the cornerstone of their reveal. DF readers aren’t worried about prices being $700/£600 for a great piece of hardware in the launch Window in my view. Xbox would probably settle for 10m early adopter sales at those higher prices, knowing it is part of a series, letting others buy the 6TF One X at $300/£200 until the XsX is able to be sold for $400 without a loss – basically copying the PS3 strategy, which would be a great success for Xbox if hitting 80m sales.

PS5 is a different situation and I'm not convinced that Sony would go the PS3 strategy this gen, but they could still add cost to the games, up PS+ costs or just make the second DS5 cost £65, and work on the basis that pad profits will massively outstrip losses when the Fifa/Madden/CoD, etc train hits 20m consoles sold.
 
Gavin Stevens

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Look I’ll just say it, if Sony releases a 9.2tf (hear me out) system with next gen architecture, fast SSD, modern SX matching cpu and 16gb gddr6.... there is no way in hell they wouldn’t win hands down. They have the talent to make that system shine, but not only that, the price point would be much lower.

It would be an insane strategy that would win hands down.
 
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o'dium said:
Look I’ll just say it, if Sony releases a 9.2tf (hear me out) system with next gen architecture, fast SSD, modern SX matching cpu and 16gb gddr6.... there is no way in hell they wouldn’t win hands down. They have the talent to make that system shine, but not only that, the price point would be much lower.

It would be an insane strategy that would win hands down.
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I agree with your premise, but only if the PS5 is noticeable better at RT, and in a way that the average member of the public can see and appreciate. Sort of like a race between Superman and the Flash on land - because when he is flying the situation is reversed.
 
Gavin Stevens

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PaintTinJr said:
I agree with your premise, but only if the PS5 is noticeable better at RT, and in a way that the average member of the public can see and appreciate. Sort of like a race between Superman and the Flash on land - because when he is flying the situation is reversed.
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Now you see, that’s a good example that works, because this is a race like any other console launch. The only issue is that this time, there are multiple prizes, and it’s not just about one factor. But people will have to come to terms that maybe this time... both will win. That’s awesome.

But later, we will get a little more info. I’m actually not 100% convinced we will get a massive all in tech drop, and I do think a few things will be left up to interpretation. It will keep the conversations going, and keep them in the news. I actually don’t think you will hear a tf number mentioned at all other than ball park figures like “twice this, three times that” but I DO think they will slap their SSD right in people’s face, speed, examples etc. And not that horseshit example MS sent a video out for, which was not only bloody awfully done but also confused everybody because they are now comparing it to Spider-Man’s demo (not even the same thing).
 
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PaintTinJr said:
I’m not convinced Xbox is restricted to that price cap, as they seem to have pitched specifically at the UK and US market in the way they made DF the cornerstone of their reveal. DF readers aren’t worried about prices being $700/£600 for a great piece of hardware in the launch Window in my view. Xbox would probably settle for 10m early adopter sales at those higher prices, knowing it is part of a series, letting others buy the 6TF One X at $300/£200 until the XsX is able to be sold for $400 without a loss – basically copying the PS3 strategy, which would be a great success for Xbox if hitting 80m sales.

PS5 is a different situation and I'm not convinced that Sony would go the PS3 strategy this gen, but they could still add cost to the games, up PS+ costs or just make the second DS5 cost £65, and work on the basis that pad profits will massively outstrip losses when the Fifa/Madden/CoD, etc train hits 20m consoles sold.
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don’t forget about reoccurring revenues these companies make from services.
 
Agnostic2020

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Yura said:
Hello, I'm from Russia (sorry for my English ) one of the developers of Saber interactive Russia in the Russian social network, answered the user's question which console is more powerful. He said that the Ps5 is more powerful and its SSD is faster
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Link ?
 
Gavin Stevens

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Didn’t saber interactive have exclusive deals with MS for halo on pc? And are close with them?

I mean yeah they are multiplatform, but that seems like an odd statement, of all people, to make...?
 
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119k likes less than a day, what a crazy reaction. less than 7 hours to go!
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  1. 214k - PS5 in holiday 2020
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  3. 129k - Ape Escape 20th year anniversary
  4. 122k - PlayStation PS5 details reveal announcement
  5. 105k - Naughty Dog TLOU Part II reveal PSX 2016
  6. 103k - Neil Druckmann TLOU Part II shooting finished
  7. 96k - PlayStation Japan PS5 in holiday 2020
  8. 90k - PlayStation Japan Valentine's Day 2019
  9. 87k - HBO TLOU Series announcement
  10. 85k - PlayStation ID change feature release

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I don’t claim to have any insider info, but it would be ”interesting“ to see reactions on this forum if PS5 is less TFlops than xbsex.


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thurnishaleygw

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o'dium said:
Didn’t saber interactive have exclusive deals with MS for halo on pc? And are close with them?

I mean yeah they are multiplatform, but that seems like an odd statement, of all people, to make...?
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Come on, mate, you're making too much sense for this thread :messenger_tears_of_joy:

And besides, it would actually be weird for any multiplatform developer to choose a side so blatantly. I mean, at the end of the day, they still have to work with both companies, so it's not a very clever thing to put out there.
 
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