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[Rightisright]

Many of the early Next gen leaks said 8TF, and if one assumes that PS5 won't actually hit 2kMHz then it looks to be 8.X TF

They could use all 40cus and take the loss on the reject dies.

 

[Mriverz]

Fret not sony fans! Tomorrow we will be back at 11tf! Then the day after it will drop to 7tf! .shrugs.

 

[DeepEnigma]

We will find out soon.

That we will. It could be right, it could be wrong. All I am saying is the jibba jabba or lack there of is not any indication.

Sony and MS have different approaches with how they talk and reveal information.

Sometimes it is frustrating, on both sides. Less is more, and too little sometimes isn’t enough, when the other is sometimes doing too much. I just can’t wait for the game announcements and features of the two machines more so than a TF “tag line” that will be used mainly by fanatics that won’t tell the whole story, personally.

 

[TGO]

8tflops now?
Fuck me these PS5 flops are flip flopping all over the place

 

[SlimySnake]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't know where 8TF comes from.

If anyone is making a stand on leaked specs, it would be 9.2TF based on all that Oberon stuff.

its this one.

the last part is very crucial. a lot of the same forum posters were convinced that the ps5 wont have hardware ray tracing after the first wired article. even after cerny did the second wired article just to confirm hardware rt, they remained convinced. this leak along with the github leak is the only thing pointing to the ps5 not having rt.

here is panello on era first bringing up ps5 and 8 tflops in april after the first wired reveal. he has since gone on to say that he thinks sony will be targeting $399 and thats why he thinks the ps5 will be 8 tflops.

Man I am bookmarking so many posts right now

I wonder if the smart move for Sony is to ditch the PS4 base and make the Pro the new low-end. 4tflop Pro for $299, 8tflop PS5 for $399 would be super compelling, if BC works as well as everyone hopes and even moreso if they sort out cross-buy.

the github leaks do suggest a 9.2 tflops console, but its possible that oberon's 2.0 ghz results were recently added. before oberon, ariel was 1.8 ghz (gonzalo apu) and that is your 8 tflops gpu with 36 cus.

edit: dont forget the first gonzalo leak. it was only 1.0 ghz. everyone was convinced that it meant a 8 tflops ps5. i just couldnt wrap my head around it. 64 CUs at 1 ghz. when the clocks jumped to 1.8 ghz, 64 CUs became 36 CUs and the tflops remained at 8 tflops. i used to make fun of this constant downgrading of ps5 specs but now im certain that MS knew. iirc, timdog said he spoke with penello at e3, wouldnt be surprised if penello promised him a more powerful console which is why timdog seems so certain.

 

[Barakov]

EVERY ONE OF YOU MOTHER HECKERS DESERVES A DIAMOND CUTTER

 

[DeepEnigma]

Many of the early Next gen leaks said 8TF, and if one assumes that PS5 won't actually hit 2kMHz then it looks to be 8.X TF

The earliest leaks were 12-13 and some believe it was based off early GCN to give targets since Navi wasn’t complete yet.

Penello busted out his “8TF guess” around the first Wired article, and Leadbetter as well, then when devkits were rolling out, the number went back up to the 11-13 range, and even Leadbetter had since changed his tune.

 

[Ellery]

8TF is really nothing to laugh about or 100% dismiss it. Going by what makes sense for a console hardware form factor then it is around there if Sony takes the same approach they did with the PS4.
I also think 8TF feels too low, but logically if you take the formula of the PS4 and basically copy it with new generation hardware add an SSD and RayTracing then you would be somewhere around there.
In light of Stadia and other things I think that is not what Sony wants though. Also Mark Cerny said 8TF is what is needed for 4K (from an interview a while back).

Even though I am conservative with my estimations on the PS5 I still 8TF would be on the extremely low end of my guesses.

Also does anyone know if Sony specified late/holidays 2020 for their Playstation 5 so far?

 

[joe_zazen]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't know where 8TF comes from.

If anyone is making a stand on leaked specs, it would be 9.2TF based on all that Oberon stuff.

github. 9.2 tf is the upper limit for oberon, not a reasonable one for a retail chip based on 5700xt power curve info we have. 8.0-8.5 is what people say is reasonable for a console with github oberon.

 

[SlimySnake]

8TF is really nothing to laugh about or 100% dismiss it. Going by what makes sense for a console hardware form factor then it is around there if Sony takes the same approach they did with the PS4.
I also think 8TF feels too low, but logically if you take the formula of the PS4 and basically copy it with new generation hardware add an SSD and RayTracing then you would be somewhere around there.
In light of Stadia and other things I think that is not what Sony wants though. Also Mark Cerny said 8TF is what is needed for 4K (from an interview a while back).

Even though I am conservative with my estimations on the PS5 I still 8TF would be on the extremely low end of my guesses.

Also does anyone know if Sony specified late/holidays 2020 for their Playstation 5 so far?

yeah, im 50-50 on this whole github leak. its possible if sony is going with $399 but i just dont see it.

• Schrier back in march said that both consoles were aiming to beat stadia's 10.7 tflops number. at that point, no one knew about navi not being gcn.
• then colin and reiner came out at e3 and said the devs at e3 told them ps5 was more powerful. at this point, the 12 tflops rumors for the anaconda were already out.
• then klee said both consoles were more powerful than the 5700xt and were aiming for double digit tflops. and ps5 was slightly more powerful.
• then finally jason said both consoles were more powerful than the rtx 2080 which an 8 or even 9 tflops console simply cannot be. 12 definitely more powerful than the rtx 2080.

so you have the github leaks and penello pointing to 8-9 tflops, and on the other hands multiple devs in the industry saying something completely different to four different journalists.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

yeah, im 50-50 on this whole github leak. its possible if sony is going with $399 but i just dont see it.

• Schrier back in march said that both consoles were aiming to beat stadia's 10.7 tflops number. at that point, no one knew about navi not being gcn.
• then colin and reiner came out at e3 and said the devs at e3 told them ps5 was more powerful. at this point, the 12 tflops rumors for the anaconda were already out.
• then klee said both consoles were more powerful than the 5700xt and were aiming for double digit tflops. and ps5 was slightly more powerful.
• then finally jason said both consoles were more powerful than the rtx 2080 which an 8 or even 9 tflops console simply cannot be. 12 definitely more powerful than the rtx 2080.

so you have the github leaks and penello pointing to 8-9 tflops, and on the other hands multiple devs in the industry saying something completely different to four different journalists.

If Sony is aiming for $400, 8-9TF is a definitely possibility.

If Sony is going for $500, it'll be similar to SeX, which I think most people assume is $500 too.

One thing that seems unrealistic is ~12TF power at $400.

 

[Fake]

Why we back to 8TF?

 

[Rossco EZ]

If Sony is aiming for $400, 8-9TF is a definitely possibility.

If Sony is going for $500, it'll be similar to SeX, which I think most people assume is $500 too.

One thing that seems unrealistic is ~12TF power at $400.

i think they will go for 449 this time, hitting around 10.4 - 11.4 TF. taking a slight loss if it’s towards 11.

 

[Fake]

Two digits.

 

[Oddspeak]

Osiris mentioned a while back hearing that not only would the PS5 be $500, but it'd still be a loss, which points to a decent chance at it being a pretty beefy machine.

The 2GHz being stress tests makes sense and I was also told $499 at a loss.

 

[DaGwaphics]

As long as both are in the same ballpark and easy to maximize, I don't see how it makes that much of a difference. I'm not particularly bothered by a 13tf ps5 and a 12tf XSX. Or 10 and 9 etc.

We need some credible news outside of TF-gate.

 

[Disco_]

Also Mark Cerny said 8TF is what is needed for 4K (from an interview a while back).

He said you need 8tf to run ps4 games at 4k. As fidelity goes up, so do power requirements.

If it mentions price, and even BC for ps1-3, it's BS.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Double post *

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

He said you need 8tf to run ps4 games at 4k. As fidelity goes up, so do power requirements.


If it mentions price, and even BC for ps1-3, it's BS.

What's wrong with BC? That would be planned wouldn't it?

 

[demigod]

Why we back to 8TF?

Fanboys

 

[Imtjnotu]

8tf now gtfo

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

As long as both are in the same ballpark and easy to maximize, I don't see how it makes that much of a difference. I'm not particularly bothered by a 13tf ps5 and a 12tf XSX. Or 10 and 9 etc.

We need some credible news outside of TF-gate.

I hope to god the Feb 5 PS meeting is a thing just to get a ballpark like when they said "almost 2 TF" at the PS4 meeting

 

[Imtjnotu]

Ps3 BC makes this bull and horse shit

 

[Disco_]

What's wrong with BC? That would be planned wouldn't it?

I just don't think BC with ps1, 2, and 3 is a realistic expectation. There's no reason I can think of where it makes sense for sony. It would be limited to games they still own all rights to, and it would cut into ps now. They'd need to dump a lot of money to get it working without having a way to easily earn it back.

 

[splattered]

Technically 08 is double digits right? Haha

 

[LED Guy?]

yeah, im 50-50 on this whole github leak. its possible if sony is going with $399 but i just dont see it.

• Schrier back in march said that both consoles were aiming to beat stadia's 10.7 tflops number. at that point, no one knew about navi not being gcn.
• then colin and reiner came out at e3 and said the devs at e3 told them ps5 was more powerful. at this point, the 12 tflops rumors for the anaconda were already out.
• then klee said both consoles were more powerful than the 5700xt and were aiming for double digit tflops. and ps5 was slightly more powerful.
• then finally jason said both consoles were more powerful than the rtx 2080 which an 8 or even 9 tflops console simply cannot be. 12 definitely more powerful than the rtx 2080.

so you have the github leaks and penello pointing to 8-9 tflops, and on the other hands multiple devs in the industry saying something completely different to four different journalists.

THIS!! You have summed up everything I wanted to say, thank you!

 

[GlassAwful]

yeah, im 50-50 on this whole github leak. its possible if sony is going with $399 but i just dont see it.

• Schrier back in march said that both consoles were aiming to beat stadia's 10.7 tflops number. at that point, no one knew about navi not being gcn.
• then colin and reiner came out at e3 and said the devs at e3 told them ps5 was more powerful. at this point, the 12 tflops rumors for the anaconda were already out.
• then klee said both consoles were more powerful than the 5700xt and were aiming for double digit tflops. and ps5 was slightly more powerful.
• then finally jason said both consoles were more powerful than the rtx 2080 which an 8 or even 9 tflops console simply cannot be. 12 definitely more powerful than the rtx 2080.

so you have the github leaks and penello pointing to 8-9 tflops, and on the other hands multiple devs in the industry saying something completely different to four different journalists.

Maybe all or some of it is true or was at some point and it's just that we don't see the whole picture.

Maybe Oberon was the 2019 chip that they abandoned in favor of big Navi based on AMD projections late 2018.

The reasons for the github tests could be that, like so many have said, they don't want to design a chip and just toss it in the trash so it gets repurposed as a PSNOW server blade replacement APU or some other purpose we are unaware of and therefore tested for its capability.

 

[gamechanger87]

Osiris mentioned a while back hearing that not only would the PS5 be $500, but it'd still be a loss, which points to a decent chance at it being a pretty beefy machine.

Gamespot employees would not be informed of price as of this date.

only ones who know price is a limited group of people none of whom would be sharing the info as of this date with anyone as it isn’t final.

 

[CuriousToe]

Osiris mentioned a while back hearing that not only would the PS5 be $500, but it'd still be a loss, which points to a decent chance at it being a pretty beefy machine.

Further to this, we have claims from Pachter that he has seen the specs and something about a $1000 price tag. That's obviously exaggeration, and I'm no fan of Pachter, but there's no reason for him to lie about that.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Gamespot employees would not be informed of price as of this date.

only ones who know price is a limited group of people none of whom would be sharing the info as of this date with anyone as it isn’t final.

Glad I no longer work their then if that's the only prerequisite for not knowing something.

Also about the GS posted games sheet I can actually make a call and find out if that's legit but all of the games having the same release date is a company wide thing. They always have a placeholder date and tentative Price for all upcoming merchandise. The colors kind of throw me off but I will ask. Won't get a definitive answer until tomorrow.
Side note, if you think the price isn't concrete at this point with the reveal coming up soon and Pre-orders immediately to follow .... yea.


Edited to add:

Man walks into room. Sees Xbox more powerful than ps5z. Walks out crying

I really don't care which is more powerful, in a very short while it won't matter what either of us have said. A very big part of me is rooting for the Xbox team as I am very impressed by what they are doing and putting together. I also like Phil's messaging and the fact that he is actually at least attempting to do what he said that he would. I appreciate that they put together a competent box and their games library actually looks diverse and has me excited for the first time in a long while about Xbox. When I get information it just is what it is. If it said XseX > PS5 that's what I would have shared. Just like I am happy that Heisenberg (Much Respect) has stuck to his guns with saying the exact opposite of what I have as far as the systems are concerned. The info you get is what you get and you cant change it even if you would like to.

 

[xPikYx]

Here's a reason why people shouldn't discredit a leak for getting ONE thing wrong: leaks sometimes don't get everything right.

I remember a MK11 leak which talked about the roster and its dlc, story elements and various stuff. Almost everyone called it fake as fuck and discredited it. I held on to it, however, in order to remember what they said.

Here are some leaks (spoilers abound; take care if you have to play MK11):
------------------------------------------------------------
Jax would go to Kronika's side (ended up true)

Reptile would be seen in the Krypt (ended up true)

Time Travel shenanigans (ended up true)

Shang Tsung would be in the story mode (ended up false; he's only in the introduction of the krypt)

Shao Kahn would have a fatality breaking the opponent's shoulders (ended up false)

Scorpion would be killed by D'Vorah (ended up true)

Joker, Terminator, Nightwolf, Sindel, Spawn as DLC (ended up true)

Reiko, Sareena, Fujin, Sheeva, Ash as DLC (has yet to be proven true or false, but I'm willing to bet that aside from Reiko who became an assist, the others will prove legit; furthermore, Havik being removed as an assist makes me believe he swapped places with Reiko in Kombat Pack 2)

Frost would appear as a Cyborg (ended up true)

Noob Saibot's shadow will fight as a separate character (ended up false; he's part of Noob movelist but not a separate entity)

---------------------------------------------------

So what do we gather from all that?

First of all, the leaker is proven right on many things which no one would be able to actually guess WITHOUT knowing something from the devs or from the leaker's source (it's one thing to guess Spawn in the roster as DLC, but nailing every.single.one of the guest characters? That's way too successful to just be a lucky guess). As well as Jax going to Kronika's side. No way you say this without actually knowing your shit.

But the leak also gets some things wrong. Was it misinformation? Change of plans on the devs' side? A second source which didn't know his/her stuff? Anything is possible.

The thing is, we cannot discredit a leak just because it got ONE thing wrong. Many things change, especially if we're talking about things who are months before becoming final. Maybe Sony intended to be at E3 and the talks with ESA went sour at the last minute. Maybe they'll decide that it's not a good time to unveil a Sci-Fi Naughty Dog game and they'll unveil it later on. Maybe they have all those games ready for an unveiling but they're not sure which of them to unveil (say, they wish to unveil 3 out of those 6 games and they're debating which ones to unveil). Anything's possible.

So just because the leak says more info at E3 and Sony cancels their E3 plans … doesn't mean the leak should be thrown to the garbage bin just yet.

Keep an open mind and read those leaks with a grain of salt, and don't be quick to shit on them just because they got one thing wrong, especially when they say twenty different things.

My two cents.

Ps5 to have a dual gpu (ended up true)












Would be nice

 

[gamechanger87]

yeah, im 50-50 on this whole github leak. its possible if sony is going with $399 but i just dont see it.

• Schrier back in march said that both consoles were aiming to beat stadia's 10.7 tflops number. at that point, no one knew about navi not being gcn.
• then colin and reiner came out at e3 and said the devs at e3 told them ps5 was more powerful. at this point, the 12 tflops rumors for the anaconda were already out.
• then klee said both consoles were more powerful than the 5700xt and were aiming for double digit tflops. and ps5 was slightly more powerful.
• then finally jason said both consoles were more powerful than the rtx 2080 which an 8 or even 9 tflops console simply cannot be. 12 definitely more powerful than the rtx 2080.

so you have the github leaks and penello pointing to 8-9 tflops, and on the other hands multiple devs in the industry saying something completely different to four different journalists.

Few comments:

1. Navi was well known enough that 10.7GCN wasn’t a hard target to hit. Not sure why his comments got so many legs when a 10.7 GCN card is the min here. He has said he doesn’t know the difference.

2. Has Reiner ever said another peep about this topic? I have a sneaking suspicion that he hasn’t because Sony was using 13 TF GCN dev kits because they were the only ones available and they approximate a lower Navi csrd with the same total “power”.

3. There were essentially no XSX dev kits out at all. This has been confirmed elsewhere. No one knew that the XSX was targeting 12 Tf Navi. Everyone assumed GCn.

4. I’ll ignore the Klee stuff because I think too much faith is put in one person who got info in passing and relished in being back in the “game”. Just because you are a real person and 20 years out of the industry doesn’t mean you have good info.

5. The github lines up with Sonys magic number on price and the info lines up with all of their patents. It’s also the only leak that has been scrubbed from the Internet. That should tell you all you need to know.

I’m guessing that the PS5 is using a 40/40 CU chip and Sony is aggressively chasing clocks which is why the dev kit is the way it is. 40 at 2G puts you at 10.24 or 15 percent less than XSX. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that this is between 36 at 2 or 40 at 2.1 by retail. I believe both are in the cards and it’s all a matter of thermals, acoustics and yields.

they will be utilizing a very custom ssd and the console will sound like a jet engine

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It won't be.



I use to believe this also, but I now greatly doubt it as of late.

why are you definitively stating that XSX is more powerful when you do not know this with any certainty?

 

[LED Guy?]

Few comments:

1. Navi was well known enough that 10.7GCN wasn’t a hard target to hit. Not sure why his comments got so many legs when a 10.7 GCN card is the min here. He has said he doesn’t know the difference.

2. Has Reiner ever said another peep about this topic? I have a sneaking suspicion that he hasn’t because Sony was using 13 TF GCN dev kits because they were the only ones available and they approximate a lower Navi csrd with the same total “power”.

3. There were essentially no XSX dev kits out at all. This has been confirmed elsewhere. No one knew that the XSX was targeting 12 Tf Navi. Everyone assumed GCn.

4. I’ll ignore the Klee stuff because I think too much faith is put in one person who got info in passing and relished in being back in the “game”. Just because you are a real person and 20 years out of the industry doesn’t mean you have good info.

5. The github lines up with Sonys magic number on price and the info lines up with all of their patents. It’s also the only leak that has been scrubbed from the Internet. That should tell you all you need to know.

I’m guessing that the PS5 is using a 40/40 CU chip and Sony is aggressively chasing clocks which is why the dev kit is the way it is. 40 at 2G puts you at 10.24 or 15 percent less than XSX. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that this is between 36 at 2 or 40 at 2.1 by retail. I believe both are in the cards and it’s all a matter of thermals, acoustics and yields.

they will be utilizing a very custom ssd and the console will sound like a jet engine

There are many other points that can be opposite to what you’re saying.

1. Jason Schreier said that he has been hearing that both consoles are more powerful than an Nvidia RTX 2080. Which easily puts them at 12 TF RDNA

2. Kleegamefan is a very trusted source and I wouldn’t skip over what he said, remember, he was the 1st who strongly hinted at XSX being revealed at TGAs.

3. Colin Moriarty, Andrew Reiner have both said that the PS5 is more powerful than XSX.

4. A 36 CU console clocked at 2000 MHz would grill the console so fast, it would be a failure defective console to launch at that state, remember even desktop PCs can have problems with that clock speed.

5. Matt and Klee (again) have confirmed that the Oberon GitHub leak outdated and do not have to do with the actual PS5.

6. Even Digital Foundry when they talked about that 9.2 TF GitHub leak, they said ‘It lacks context’.

I would trust Kleegamefan, Matt and Jason Schreier over what that outdated and out of context GitHub leak to be honest with you.

 

[joe_zazen]

Ps5 to have a dual gpu (ended up true)
Would be nice

I’m guessing that the PS5 is using a 40/40 CU chip and Sony is aggressively chasing clocks which is why the dev kit is the way it is. 40 at 2G puts you at 10.24 or 15 percent less than XSX. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that this is between 36 at 2 or 40 at 2.1 by retail. I believe both are in the cards and it’s all a matter of thermals, acoustics and yields.

they will be utilizing a very custom ssd and the console will sound like a jet engine

these are the only two ways a github oberon can get to xsx level performance. Both look very very expensive.

 

[demigod]

Few comments:

1. Navi was well known enough that 10.7GCN wasn’t a hard target to hit. Not sure why his comments got so many legs when a 10.7 GCN card is the min here. He has said he doesn’t know the difference.

2. Has Reiner ever said another peep about this topic? I have a sneaking suspicion that he hasn’t because Sony was using 13 TF GCN dev kits because they were the only ones available and they approximate a lower Navi csrd with the same total “power”.

3. There were essentially no XSX dev kits out at all. This has been confirmed elsewhere. No one knew that the XSX was targeting 12 Tf Navi. Everyone assumed GCn.

4. I’ll ignore the Klee stuff because I think too much faith is put in one person who got info in passing and relished in being back in the “game”. Just because you are a real person and 20 years out of the industry doesn’t mean you have good info.

5. The github lines up with Sonys magic number on price and the info lines up with all of their patents. It’s also the only leak that has been scrubbed from the Internet. That should tell you all you need to know.

I’m guessing that the PS5 is using a 40/40 CU chip and Sony is aggressively chasing clocks which is why the dev kit is the way it is. 40 at 2G puts you at 10.24 or 15 percent less than XSX. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that this is between 36 at 2 or 40 at 2.1 by retail. I believe both are in the cards and it’s all a matter of thermals, acoustics and yields.

they will be utilizing a very custom ssd and the console will sound like a jet engine

9TF would make sense in 2019, that ship has sailed. 5700 xt is not a high end card. Remember that the ps4 pro launched less than 6 months from polaris.

It wouldn’t surprise me if rdna 2 cards hit 15TF.

 

[Red_Driver85]

why are you definitively stating that XSX is more powerful when you do not know this with any certainty?

Oh, you know the answer.

 

[gamechanger87]

9TF would make sense in 2019, that ship has sailed. 5700 xt is not a high end card. Remember that the ps4 pro launched less than 6 months from polaris.

It wouldn’t surprise me if rdna 2 cards hit 15TF.

who said they want high end?

only people focusing on who is most powerful are here. Sony cares more about about hitting their ideal price range for moving consoles $399 than a TF mecontest.

$399 has been their magic number. Why would they not target that when they can have a really powerful console at that level?

These consoles are planned out a long time ago. Only reason MS is swinging for it withXSX is because Lockhart is in the cards to have an attractive price.

Sony has one console. They aren’t going to go crazy.

 

[OsirisBlack]

This generation it will be all about the games. I have no idea what has or has not changed but the last hard spec info I heard was that both were > 10 and X was 11.6 while the 5 was 12.4 (I am still standing on this hill)I was also told that the ray tracing on one was the same crap that was slapped onto the 1080ti (which I shared a long time ago) and that the performance of BOTH consoles was a bit better that of a 2080 super. Also for the millionth time they are supposedly so close in power that if you were to fart in a room while playing both systems the one you were closest to would have a slight frame rate advantage due to the excess gas helping absorb some of the heat. (I kid) Also I think that I just may get my Bloody Symphony, Thank you uncle Phil.

 

[Agnostic2020]

This generation it will be all about the games. I have no idea what has or has not changed but the last hard spec info I heard was that both were > 10 and X was 11.6 while the 5 was 12.4 I was also told that the ray tracing on one was the same crap that was slapped onto the 1080ti (which I shared a long time ago) and that the performance of BOTH consoles was a bit better that of a 2080 super. Also for the millionth time they are supposedly so close in power that if you were to fart in a room while playing both systems the one you were closest to would have a slight frame rate advantage due to the excess gas helping absorb some of the heat. (I kid) Also I think that I just may get my Bloody Symphony. Thank you uncle Phil.

Spoiler

Thanks Osiris for the details . This spec sheet is recent or few months old (the one where u got the information from )?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

This generation it will be all about the games. I have no idea what has or has not changed but the last hard spec info I heard was that both were > 10 and X was 11.6 while the 5 was 12.4 I was also told that the ray tracing on one was the same crap that was slapped onto the 1080ti (which I shared a long time ago) and that the performance of BOTH consoles was a bit better that of a 2080 super. Also for the millionth time they are supposedly so close in power that if you were to fart in a room while playing both systems the one you were closest to would have a slight frame rate advantage due to the excess gas helping absorb some of the heat. (I kid) Also I think that I just may get my Bloody Symphony. Thank you uncle Phil.

Spoiler

SenjutsuSage

we got an .8 TF difference, supposedly. Not looking good for your claims

 

[OsirisBlack]

Thanks Osiris for the details . This spec sheet is recent or few months old (the one where u got the information from )?

Same Info I had a few months ago but at that point the form factor of XseX was done so I really doubt much has changed.

Edited to add: Maybe some tweaking of clock speeds up or down but either way it won't be much different.

 

[demigod]

who said they want high end?

only people focusing on who is most powerful are here. Sony cares more about about hitting their ideal price range for moving consoles $399 than a TF mecontest.

$399 has been their magic number. Why would they not target that when they can have a really powerful console at that level?

These consoles are planned out a long time ago. Only reason MS is swinging for it withXSX is because Lockhart is in the cards to have an attractive price.

Sony has one console. They aren’t going to go crazy.

I think you should read again. 5700 xt is mid end, if sony was to release in 2019 it would be using 5700 xt equivalent.

Cerny(iirc) has already said they’re not aiming at the $399 crowd for the ps5.

 

[joe_zazen]

we got an .8 TF difference, supposedly. Not looking good for your claims

hey another old poster. Nice to see you back.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

hey another old poster. Nice to see you back.

ha. Didn’t know if anyone still remembered me.

Saw that SlimySnake got banned at the other place for two weeks and was posting here...so I returned

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

ha. Didn’t know if anyone still remembered me.

Saw that SlimySnake got banned at the other place for two weeks and was posting here...so I returned

He must have got banned there because he breathed too loudly!

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

He must have got banned there because he breathed too loudly!

he got banned for posting a gif of a guy dropping the ball.

I’m not joking

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Also, really wish I could believe OsirisBlack about a 12.4 Tflop PS5...I would love for that to be the case.

But his insider track history isn't good, no offense of course. You could still be right but I don't think you've been accurate about any rumor before.

 

[Kagero]

This generation it will be all about the games. I have no idea what has or has not changed but the last hard spec info I heard was that both were > 10 and X was 11.6 while the 5 was 12.4 (I am still standing on this hill)I was also told that the ray tracing on one was the same crap that was slapped onto the 1080ti (which I shared a long time ago) and that the performance of BOTH consoles was a bit better that of a 2080 super. Also for the millionth time they are supposedly so close in power that if you were to fart in a room while playing both systems the one you were closest to would have a slight frame rate advantage due to the excess gas helping absorb some of the heat. (I kid) Also I think that I just may get my Bloody Symphony, Thank you uncle Phil.

Regardless of the outcome. Appreciate your conviction man.