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Sony Positions Next PlayStation for Hard-Core Gamers.

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I don’t know why you would want to alienate a large percent of your market while also ignoring a growing user base

They are essentially doubling down on PS4 strategy... that is all. Even the article recognised it right away.

Not sure why a group of people replying to this thread is trigger finger ready to start talking about Sony arrogance and stoking PS3 launch fears, uncertainty, and doubt.

Edit: if you call yourself impartial lol...
 
They are essentially doubling down on PS4 strategy... that is all. Even the article recognised it right away.

Not sure why a group of people replying to this thread is trigger finger ready to start talking about Sony arrogance and stoking PS3 launch fears, uncertainty, and doubt.

Edit: if you call yourself impartial lol...
No they're going away from it completely, one of the laurels they rested on for the rather anemic three first years of the PS4's life was indie games.

They pushed the indie angle hard, and so did the PlayStation community. This directly flies in the face of that.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Oops your unbiased is showing, please examine your zipper.
😂 please... are PS5 threads are reserved for jokes about censorship (good thing coming if you think Sony will be alone at this in NA ;)) and trying to suggest this is launch PS3 v2.0... just like Scarlett is OG Xbox One HD ;)?
 

Kagey K

Banned
They are essentially doubling down on PS4 strategy... that is all. Even the article recognised it right away.

Not sure why a group of people replying to this thread is trigger finger ready to start talking about Sony arrogance and stoking PS3 launch fears, uncertainty, and doubt.

Edit: if you call yourself impartial lol...
I don’t call myself impartial at all. I dont think I ever did, but you can search my post history for verification.

I dont have a trigger finger. I just say it’s impossible to get past 20 mil on hardcore gamers. The rest are casuals and the person I was talking to and I couldn’t agree on the word casual, so I left it at that.
 

nikolino840

Member
A game console is a big investment, and I doubt most casuals will shell out the cash to buy one and the games that you can play on it. Hardcore gamers will.

For me, a casual gamer will play a game on a device most readily available to them but wasn't intended for games. That being their mobile phone.
No,they buy a PlayStation becouse the name of the brend Is equal to videogames.. they don't even know why not an Xbox, fifa and Pes are on Xbox too,they know the PlayStation Is a great company...even the parents talk about PlayStation but maybe the sons have an Xbox
Hardcore gamers know why to buy One or another or both

Any here have bought consoles Just for play a couple of time?
I have an X and i play everyday
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
No they're going away from it completely, one of the laurels they rested on for the rather anemic three first years of the PS4's life was indie games.

They pushed the indie angle hard, and so did the PlayStation community. This directly flies in the face of that.

As much as you desire and entered this thread for, nope it does not fly in the face of that at all. Even the article talks about it being a doubling down on PS4 strategy.
 

Kagey K

Banned
😂 please... are PS5 threads are reserved for jokes about censorship (good thing coming if you think Sony will be alone at this in NA ;)) and trying to suggest this is launch PS3 v2.0... just like Scarlett is OG Xbox One HD ;)?
I have enough conversations with you now that I know where this is going, and I’m bored of it.
 

FranXico

Member
They are essentially doubling down on PS4 strategy... that is all. Even the article recognised it right away.

Not sure why a group of people replying to this thread is trigger finger ready to start talking about Sony arrogance and stoking PS3 launch fears, uncertainty, and doubt.

Edit: if you call yourself impartial lol...
Some people on this forum are excited about the prospect of Sony failing hard and a Microsoft monopoly. That's their stance, everyone recognizes it and it's ok.
 
As much as you desire and entered this thread for, nope it does not fly in the face of that at all. Even the article talks about it being a doubling down on PS4 strategy.
Well that angle was the PS4's strategy until it wasn't, it was in 2013, in 2014, in 2015 and in 2016... Indie this, indie that, look at all the support and how much we love indie developers, blah, blah, blah... And then big games started coming and they no longer gave a shit.

They have no strategy, they didn't even know why the PS4 was successful for the first few years.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I don’t call myself impartial at all.
Ok, will note it down. Will not say biased pro or against Sony in general, you can help there :).

I dont think I ever did, but you can search my post history for verification.

I dont have a trigger finger. I just say it’s impossible to get past 20 mil on hardcore gamers. The rest are casuals and the person I was talking to and I couldn’t agree on the word casual, so I left it at that.

Sure, but from an article that was stating essentially a doubling down on PS4 strategy, I am not sure launch PS3 fears are where the mind goes... not sure why it would.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I have enough conversations with you now that I know where this is going, and I’m bored of it.

It is not going anywhere particular... you joke around, I joked around, you got offended / bored / annoyed... one of the three. Will reduce the smileys if it helps.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Sure, but from an article that was stating essentially a doubling down on PS4 strategy, I am not sure launch PS3 fears are where the mind goes... not sure why it would.
Where in this thread did I suggest PS3 launch fears or anything about the PS3 in general?

All I did was try to talk about what is a casual player vs a hardcore.

You guys keep trying to make up things and put words in my mouth that aren’t there.

If you aren’t going to talk about the actual words I presented I see no reason to continue engaging in these threads.

To be honest, I think you owe me an apology, but I know I’m not going to get it, so I’ll let it slide, for now.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well that angle was the PS4's strategy until it wasn't, it was in 2013, in 2014, in 2015 and in 2016... Indie this, indie that, look at all the support and how much we love indie developers, blah, blah, blah... And then big games started coming and they no longer gave a shit.

They have no strategy, they didn't even know why the PS4 was successful for the first few years.

I am pretty sure that with the last 25 years pretty much positioning themselves well in the console space ;), they have an idea why it was successful and how to move from a launch window strategy to a post launch one in each console cycle.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Where in this thread did I suggest PS3 launch fears or anything about the PS3 in general?

All I did was try to talk about what is a casual player vs a hardcore.

You guys keep trying to make up things and put words in my mouth that aren’t there.

If you aren’t going to talk about the actual words I presented I see no reason to continue engaging in these threads.

The article itself was stating it was a PS4 strategy redux and at worst a PS2++ one, the “alienating players and being stuck post the initial 20 million” (to be fair it was not you who posted the PS3 launch price one) was the PS3 sounding one.

I am not sure about engaging in these threads either sometimes... maybe I should do just to have bookmarks when people shout this is SonyGAF and that PS threads are full and joyful, but the minute a non negative Xbox thread is opened (and only in Xbox threads) the flood of negativity and doubt opens...
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
All I ask from Sony is to give me my games like Catherine Full Body and Persona 5 Royal untouched. I don’t think that’s too much to ask, is it?

If Nintendo can do it so can Sony.
 

Hudo

Member
I hope that also means that Sony are going to diversify their (already limited, IMHO) first-party lineup. Specifically, I'd wish that Japan Studio would be elevated again to an important studio. Every other Sony studio seems to be in this third-person cinematic experience thing (sans Media Molecule), which, while technically very impressive, already got pretty boring for me at the end of last generation.

The established trend of Pro and Slim versions of consoles has caused me to just wait a couple of years before making any purchase decision. I also hope that they will dramatically improve build quality of the next Playstation and the next DualShock. In any case, interesting times ahead!
 

Shmunter

Member
This pretty much straight from the PS4 playbook. For the gamers. A powerful console designed around gaming first. In contrast to Xbone launch with Kinect, tv, tv and live sports.

PS4 has been successful so the formula remains. Once the hardcore jump starts momentum, the casuals follow.

I expect Microsoft to do the same.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
All I ask from Sony is to give me my games like Catherine Full Body and Persona 5 Royal untouched. I don’t think that’s too much to ask, is it?

If Nintendo can do it so can Sony.
I applaud Nintendo for not censoring... they deserve that. I came to accept unfortunately that NA companies like MS and Sony jumped on the bandwagon for now... and still it is an issue a bit overblown as most publishers, see FF7’s ethics department, censors themselves. This is the climate we live in.
 
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Danjin44

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I applaud Nintendo for not censoring... hey deserve that. I came to accept unfortunately that NA companies like MS and Sony jumped on the bandwagon for now... and still it is an issue a bit overblown as most publishers, see FF7’s ethics department, censors themselves. This is the climate we live in.
You might not care about it that much but I do, I don’t want my favourite games get censored. I’m sure lots of people would have been super pissed if the violence in MK games get censored as well.
 
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FranXico

Member
You might not care about it that much but I do, I don’t want my favourite games get censored. I’m sure lots of people would have been super pissed if the violence in MK games get censored as well.
Violence against female characters is probably going to get toned down at some point, if Kabals fatality is an indication


And NRS did that themselves on every version. Mind you, this is a current social climate issue, and it is not exclusive to Sony, unlike what some rabid Xbox fanboys would have you believe.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Violence against female characters is probably going to get toned down at some point, if Kabals fatality is an indication


And NRS did that themselves on every version. Mind you, this is a current social climate issue, and it is not exclusive to Sony, unlike what some rabid Xbox fanboys would have you believe.
This has been a thing since forever with MK.

Are they equal or are they not?

Not sure how you try to equate fanboys into a multi platform game, but you did, so congrats.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
And NRS did that themselves on every version. Mind you, this is a current social climate issue, and it is not exclusive to Sony, unlike what some rabid Xbox fanboys would have you believe.
I do get that, I personally hate, HATE modern western gaming culture and hate the fact they are dragging Japanese games as well but Nintendo is doing right thing not letting their 3rd party games gets censored and want to see Sony do the same.
 

FranXico

Member
This has been a thing since forever with MK.

Are they equal or are they not?

Not sure how you try to equate fanboys into a multi platform game, but you did, so congrats.
Pointing out that an issue that affects many games across multiple platforms, by giving a pertinent example (same game as poster above used to make a point) is not exclusive to Sonys platform, contrary to a typical fanboy claim is equating fanboys to a multiplatform game?
 
I do get that, I personally hate, HATE modern western gaming culture and hate the fact they are dragging Japanese games as well but Nintendo is doing right thing not letting their 3rd party games gets censored and want to see Sony do the same.
Sony has a more recent history of censoring games while the others do not, and in Microsoft's case not at all.

 

Kagey K

Banned
Pointing out that an issue that affects many games across multiple platforms, by giving a pertinent example (same game as poster above used to make a point) is not exclusive to Sonys platform, contrary to a typical fanboy claim is equating fanboys to a multiplatform game?
Who made that claim in this thread that you are refuting?

Im sick of all the strawmanning, show me some receipts.
 
This is coming from the same company that's been alienating their core, selling watered down gameplay, shun smaller developers, and censoring content. Not to mention they have a long history of empty marketing promises and lipservice. I assume "hardcore" by their definition is a consumer who buys every PS related product day one and subscribes to their service, without question.

Also, this gem was added by the author:
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Looks like Sony's arrogance is making a comeback.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
Sony has a more recent history of censoring games while the others do not, and in Microsoft's case not at all.
That's great and all but my personal issue with MS is that most of the time Xbox is not getting Japanese games I want to play, i don't think Atlus is even that interested releasing their games on Xbox, heck even PC has bigger chance getting Persona more than Xbox does.
 
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Hudo

Member
This is coming from the same company that's been alienating their core, selling watered down gameplay, shun smaller developers, and censoring content. Not to mention they have a long history of empty marketing promises and lipservice. I assume "hardcore" by their definition is a consumer who buys every PS related product day one and subscribes to their service, without question.

Also, this gem was added by the author:
2i8UfPV.png


Looks like Sony's arrogance is making a comeback.
I'd rather have Sony invest in their own first-party instead of trying to have (timed) third-party exclusives... I hope that the greed of big third-party publishers will ensure that their games will release on multiple platforms. I strongly believe that the era of third-party exclusives is over (as it should be!). There's just too much money to be had by releasing games on multiple platforms.
 

FranXico

Member
Who made that claim in this thread that you are refuting?

Im sick of all the strawmanning, show me some receipts.

You might not care about it that much but I do, I don’t want my favourite games get censored. I’m sure lots of people would have been super pissed if the violence in MK games get censored as well.

The ongoing "taliban Sony" meme? All over the forum, not just this thread. I was above talking to another poster, with an example of a game he mentioned.
I never even mentioned this thread specifically, just a typical argument used by fanboys because it makes a competing platform look bad, while their preferred platform looks good.

Funny how you are talking about strawmanning. And I'm done repeating myself.

edit: added the so-called "receipt".
 
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This is coming from the same company that's been alienating their core, selling watered down gameplay, shun smaller developers, and censoring content. Not to mention they have a long history of empty marketing promises and lipservice. I assume "hardcore" by their definition is a consumer who buys every PS related product day one and subscribes to their service, without question.

Also, this gem was added by the author:
2i8UfPV.png


Looks like Sony's arrogance is making a comeback.
"They have no choice but to release their game with us so it doesn't matter if we pay attention to them or not"

That's essentially what it's saying, hate to break it to you but they don't....
 

FranXico

Member
That's not censorship, that's rating compliance. For full nudity they would have to designate their games as A/O which would be a product death sentence.

Censorship is censorship, rating compliance is just one possible motivation among many for censoring games in one region or another. You could say that this instance is acceptable (and I would agree), but it still is censorship.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Even Gears of War changed its lead to an unattractive woman. This franchise was once as bro heavy as you could get.

It’s the current climate and it sucks.
I’m not getting the correlation, one is about whether or not they can perform fatalities on women.

The other is about switching the narrative to a woman.

These are not the same issues.
 

Kagey K

Banned
The ongoing "taliban Sony" meme? All over the forum, not just this thread. I was above talking to another poster, with an example of a game he mentioned.
I never even mentioned this thread specifically, just a typical argument used by fanboys because it makes a competing platform look bad, while their preferred platform looks good.

Funny how you are talking about strawmanning. And I'm done repeating myself.
So take that commentary to those threads. It’s off topic for this one.
 
Censorship is censorship, rating compliance is just one possible motivation among many for censoring games in one region or another. You could say that this instance is acceptable (and I would agree), but it still is censorship.
That's not censorship, that's compliance, they're two completely different things.

Censorship is the unwarranted masking or omission of content which falls in line with a products rating.
 
Even Gears of War changed its lead to an unattractive woman. This franchise was once as bro heavy as you could get.

It’s the current climate and it sucks.
Kait is unattractive?

Gears4_4KUHD_Kait_Raid-hero.png


What about her being covered head to toe in armour? Can’t show off her body now.
Because she went from a rebel with no armor to gaining some armor, to a battle hardened and fully geared soldier.
 
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