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[ethomaz]

Just to these that didn’t know he is the Chief Editor of Game Informer.

It is basically the first reliable info from a reputable person that is not pastebin, reddit or some random era.

Of course these devkits are not final so what he is hearing now from devs could change until the final SoC.

 

[CuNi]

Just a correction... he said SoC not SSD.

SoC and Solid State Drive are not the same... I don’t know where people made that up.

The first few posters got that wrong, I already corrected it on the first or second page, yet people just jump on the bandwagon trying to roast MS when in reality they just make a fool out of themselves not knowing the difference between a SoC and a SSD.

 

[longdi]

They will use the same base as Sony. There's no 1 extra year advantage now.

Its down to how much losses they want to take up front. They can have more ram, more cooling, slightly faster boost clocks, bigger ssd ramdisk. It will be closer than ps4/xb1, but nowhere as clear cut as pro/xb1x. These will all bite back into how they can price it.

In cerny we trust.

 

[Shangounchained]

Who told you that n who are u to decide, if they say it's 4x then let's wait n see

Because anything less than 20 teraflops isn't a next gen machine to me it'll simply be another enhanced Xbox one

 

[Ozymandias013]

8k!!!gtfo ,they barely do 4k ,people should lower their expectations,if they will release a console like the bs trailer told us ,that could cost 1000$,nobody will pay that much for a console,anything more than 500$ is alreay too much,400$ is the sweet spot for consoles.Lets not forget that the average parent consider consoles toys

 

[longdi]

Btw what is project anaconda? I swear msft is overdoing this PR speak thing, typically phil sayz philosophy running their division

 

[CyberPanda]

Xbox Working on Getting Project Scarlett Dev Kits Out; Optimizing Halo Infinite to Be Showcase Title

Today during YouTube’s YouTuve Live E3 coverage, General Manager of Xbox Games Marketing Aaron Greenberg talked about the newly revealed Project Scarlett

twinfinite.net

 

[JLMC469]

Just to these that didn’t know he is the Chief Editor of Game Informer.

It is basically the first reliable info from a reputable person that is not pastebin, reddit or some random era.

Com course these devkits are not final so what he is hearing now from devs could change until the final SoC.

True. Holiday 2020 is more than a year away...

 

[ResilientBanana]

What if Sony signed a deal to become part of the the Scarlet Family of Consoles?

 

[CyberPanda]

What if Sony signed a deal to become part of the the Scarlet Family of Consoles?

What do you mean?

 

[juliotendo]

Both XBOX and PlayStation next gen are going to be very similar. They’re using the same basic specs of hardware from AMD. The differences will only be in details like RAM configuration and storage space, and things like that. They’re going to be practically the same, the main difference will be the games — like it always has been. Whoever has the most entertaining lineup of exclusive games will be the leader. This is why Microsoft went crazy buying talent and studios.

This is basically 2013 all over again, when XBOX One and PS4 both launched with similar hardware and only difference being PS4 used GDDR 5 RAM as opposed to XBOX One using GDDR4 which made a difference — games technically ran slightly better on PS4 at the time. A lot of games at the time only ran at 720P on XBOX One while running at 1080P on PS4. This was a big debacle during 2013 to 2015.

But like I said, the difference will always come down to the games. Currently PlayStation has been leading in exclusive games. They’ve been pushing out massive successes and pushing quality over quantity. Microsoft is going to need to put out more than just Halo, Gears, and Forza to attract consumers.

 

[ethomaz]

Both XBOX and PlayStation next gen are going to be very similar. They’re using the same basic specs of hardware from AMD. The differences will only be in details like RAM configuration and storage space, and things like that. They’re going to be practically the same, the main difference will be the games — like it always has been. Whoever has the most entertaining lineup of exclusive games will be the leader. This is why Microsoft went crazy buying talent and studios.

This is basically 2013 all over again, when XBOX One and PS4 both launched with similar hardware and only difference being PS4 used GDDR 5 RAM as opposed to XBOX One using GDDR4 which made a difference — games technically ran slightly better on PS4 at the time.

But like I said, the difference will always come down to the games. Currently PlayStation has been leading in exclusive games. Microsoft is going to need to put out more than just Halo, Gears, and Forza to attract consumers.

The base is the same but what you add custom affect directly your SoC power... remember Xbox One bring drastically underpowered due eSRAM taking too much silicon space.

And 2013 PS4 had 40% power advantage over Xbox One and that shows even today in games.

 

[CyberPanda]

Yea both will be relatively the same. And it will come down to software, services etc. The major difference will be the logo on the boxes

 

[juliotendo]

The base is the same but what you add custom affect directly your SoC power... remember Xbox One bring drastically underpowered due eSRAM taking too much silicon space.

Right. This is where we will see differences once you start digging into the hardware at a detailed level. But for the vast majority of consumers — they’re going to be the same power-wise and games will look great on both platforms. The specs for this next generation are going to be beefy, so I don’t think they will matter much as in previous years. We know both platforms are going to be beastly.

When XBOX ONE and PS4 launched they were already somewhat underpowered for the time. This time should be different.

 

[CyberPanda]

Right. This is where we will see differences once you start digging into the hardware at a detailed level. But for the vast majority of consumers — they’re going to be the same power-wise and games will look great on both platforms.

Until digital foundry makes comparisons and does x400 zoom in.

 

[juliotendo]

Until digital foundry makes comparisons and does x400 zoom in.

Right but that’s for the tech heads and nerds. 99% of the people spending dollars on these next gen systems aren’t going to look at it that way. They’re just going to buy what they like most or what their children want to play for Christmas.

 

[CyberPanda]

She’s been saying this for every partnership btw, but thought I would share.

 

[Burnttips]

I remember back when the PS4 was introduced team Xbox making fun of Sony for announcing a console without showing the box.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Someone made a interesting remark on Twitter about Phil's wording in regards to the most powerful console they've ever build.
Then there's this:https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1137834947194974208?s=20

Twitter? I said that in the E3 stream thread. Gaf>internet>Gaf

Either way the remark is correct. He was very careful not to say most powerful console ever built, after hyping up how powerful the console will be.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Sony can focus on making a console that plays games.

Microsoft have to focus on making their console a streaming device.

Cerny didn't leak the PS5 specs, he leaked the Xbox Scarlet specs.

 

[CyberPanda]

I remember back when the PS4 was introduced team Xbox making fun of Sony for announcing a console without showing the box.

Yea PR for both companies say stupid shit. Nothing new.

It’s best to laugh and carry on.

 

[quest]

Twitter? I said that in the E3 stream thread.

Either way the remark is correct. He was very careful not to say most powerful console ever built, after hyping up how powerful the console will be.

That because they don't know so this PR speak. The pro specs leak months before e3 so ms knew scorpio was vastly superior hence that pr speak.

 

[quest]

Sony can focus on making a console that plays games.

Microsoft have to focus on making their console a streaming device.

Cerny didn't leak the PS5 specs, he leaked the Xbox Scarlet specs.

You mean like sonys remote play and cloud streaming service lol.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

That because they don't know so this PR speak. The pro specs leak months before e3 so ms knew scorpio was vastly superior hence that pr speak.

I don't think Microsoft care about power this time around (again). The power is a means to an end in powering servers etc.

The most worrying part about this reveal is when Phil said something along the lines of "connect to a local Scarlett and stream from that". To me, it sounds like i'll be connecting to Joe Bloggs' xbox down the street to stream, if it's closer than mine at home.

 

[Burnttips]

Yea PR for both companies say stupid shit. Nothing new.

It’s best to laugh and carry on.

Yeah, but I wanted to see the box.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

You mean like sonys remote play and cloud streaming service lol.

Cloud streamed games can be played on a phone. Microsoft will have the Scarlet as a server where you can stream games from. Remote play x Cloud streaming.

 

[Elder Legend]

Im not having 2 boxes this gen, easy decision to go with ps5 Maybe its weaker hardware, but the xbox is just gearsforzahalozombies.

Let me fix the spelling mistakes

"Im not having 2 boxes this gen, easy decision to go with Xbox Scarlet Maybe its weaker hardware, but the PlayStation 5 is just unchartedgodofwartlougranturismo.

 

[quest]

I don't think Microsoft care about power this time around (again). The power is a means to an end in powering servers etc.

The most worrying part about this reveal is when Phil said something along the lines of "connect to a local Scarlett and stream from that". To me, it sounds like i'll be connecting to Joe Bloggs' xbox down the street to stream, if it's closer than mine at home.

Local as in local network for multiplayer games locally instead of split screen a person could stream off laptop as player 2.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Local as in local network for multiplayer games locally instead of split screen a person could stream off laptop as player 2.

I mean as in, i'm out and about on my phone and I want to stream Halo 6. If Joe Bloggs has an xbox closer to me than mine, I can 'connect' to his and stream the game from there.

I know it sounds a bit whacked out, but BT (british telecom) have been doing a similar thing with WIFI for years. You can connect to someone else's home router when you're out and about in order to get wifi and yes, it slows their internet speed down.

 

[demigod]

I remember back when the PS4 was introduced team Xbox making fun of Sony for announcing a console without showing the box.

I got you covered fam.

Microsoft Xbox E3 2019 | Viewing and Discussion Thread | June 9, 2019. 4:00 PM EST

Congrats to Microsoft for the worst E3 conference ever, what is the point of showing another CGI trailers with no gameplay to games that were announced last year with also a CGI trailer with no gameplay, this conference should have been cancelled, Sony was right. Lol, Sony's talk show was the...

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[baphomet]

Because anything less than 20 teraflops isn't a next gen machine to me it'll simply be another enhanced Xbox one

You'll be lucky if you get 12TF.

The fact that you think that 20TF is even a possibility means not only do you have no clue what you're talking about, you have no idea what a tflop even is.

 

[CyberPanda]

I got you covered fam.

Microsoft Xbox E3 2019 | Viewing and Discussion Thread | June 9, 2019. 4:00 PM EST

Congrats to Microsoft for the worst E3 conference ever, what is the point of showing another CGI trailers with no gameplay to games that were announced last year with also a CGI trailer with no gameplay, this conference should have been cancelled, Sony was right. Lol, Sony's talk show was the...

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Lol the lispy PR mouthpiece replied:

 

[Aceofspades]

I will say it again, Sony's Wired article was a master move by Sony. They stole the thunder from Microsoft.

 

[KlickKlack]

It’s actually curious because one thing Microsoft was not doing was strutting about saying they had built the most powerful console ever made. Their chose of words was deliberate, they said it’s “the most powerful console we’ve ever made,” and there are rumblings from industry insiders that the PS5 actually might have a slight power edge over Scarlett. Back when it was PS4 Pro versus Xbox One X, all Microsoft could talk about was its power advantage. Now? Not so much.

Microsoft Fails To Capitalize On Sony’s Absence With A Surprisingly Light Xbox Scarlett Reveal

Microsoft had E3 to themselves this year with Sony choosing not to unveil the PS5. But the Xbox Scarlett reveal wasn't what many were expecting, and the same goes for games like Halo Infinite.

www.forbes.com

that not logic conclusions...
that epic stupidity.

first
ms can't say: most powerful konsole
or stronger than sonys ps5 because they simply don't know how powerful ps5 will be. that doesn't mean that they are in the end not stronger
secondly:
you can't say you are stronger when the competition is not out....

 

[KlickKlack]

Absolutely not possible. Even 2080Ti can't offer 4K 60 experience on high setting on PC in most demanding games and if $1200 GPU on PC can't do that, ~$500 APU box with Navi sure as hell can't, not even close.

what when it will be possible?

i think millions pc players will buy a xbox scarlett. 500€ console beat 2000€ pc.
xbox 4K masterrace.

 

[Pallas]

I guess we can squash that old rumor that Navi would be exclusive to the PS5. Glad both consoles are going to use it!

 

[Silent Viper]

24tfs? It must come bundled with a petrol generator and a jet engine turbine!

So 4 times overall not just tf. Cpu, gpu,ram n all

 

[KlickKlack]

Xbox Working on Getting Project Scarlett Dev Kits Out; Optimizing Halo Infinite to Be Showcase Title

Today during YouTube’s YouTuve Live E3 coverage, General Manager of Xbox Games Marketing Aaron Greenberg talked about the newly revealed Project Scarlett

twinfinite.net

this is proof that the chief editor of game informer Andre Reiner is a liar, he can't know which console is more powerfull then not one developer has scarlett devkits....

"According to Greenberg, Microsoft is currently working on getting the Project Scarlett development kits out,..."

"That being said, Greenberg mentioned that Project Scarlett is a huge improvement in processing power able to deliver native 4K and 120 FPS, loading times 40 times faster than current-gen."

Megaton. 4K 120fps

 

[CyberPanda]

this is proof that the chief editor of game informer Andre Reiner is a liar, he can't know which console is more powerfull then not one developer has scarlett devkits....

"According to Greenberg, Microsoft is currently working on getting the Project Scarlett development kits out,..."

I don't know why MS would be so late to give dev kits out, I dunno who to believe anymore.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

I thin millions pc players will buy a xbox scarlett.

Definitely not those who already have a high-end gaming PC, at least when it comes to performance. Also, I think most of the MSGS exclusives will be available on PC

500€ stronger than 2000€ pc.

Well of course it is, cuz it's 1500€ difference and not everyone can afford 1000€ high-end gaming PC, not to mention 2000€.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Just to these that didn’t know he is the Chief Editor of Game Informer.

It is basically the first reliable info from a reputable person that is not pastebin, reddit or some random era.

Of course these devkits are not final so what he is hearing now from devs could change until the final SoC.

"developers" have also said the Xbox is significantly more powerful than the ps5. And don't forget they also said the dev kit is 13tflops

 

[Tarin02543]

Featuring hardware accelerated raytracing, variable refresh rate, 8K capability and ultra-low latency input

What does that mean? Are we getting wired controllers next gen?

 

[luca_29_bg]

"developers" have also said the Xbox is significantly more powerful than the ps5. And don't forget they also said the dev kit is 13tflops

Nope! Only insiders, not developers.

 

[ethomaz]

"developers" have also said the Xbox is significantly more powerful than the ps5. And don't forget they also said the dev kit is 13tflops

When?

That is the first time a journalist give us inside info from developers.

 

[Achillias]

Nope! Only insiders, not developers.

And do you really believe those "insiders". You can be an "insider" too. Just say the words.

It's just bullshit speculation of some fanboys who are trying to get their favourite console brand in a better spotlight.

 

[MilkyJoe]

12TF fp32 & 24TF fp16

Here we go...

 

[MilkyJoe]

When?

That is the first time a journalist give us inside info from developers.

Have you been living under a rock?

 

[ethomaz]

Have you been living under a rock?

?

 

[Ar¢tos]

Basically the same hw, I expect the power difference to be minimal and non important. It will be about the games/services/add-ons (vr, etc).

 

[bitbydeath]

Have you been living under a rock?

Link to what you’re referring?