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[Louis Cyphre]

M’kay

I didn’t care about cross play, which has been a thing on PlayStation for years. I don’t care about second screen. I don’t care about companion apps either.

OK then. I guess I am now supposed to say thanks for dropping bye since you are leaving because people do not keep participating in things they don't care about. See that's the thing, people say they don't which is just a disguise. What they are really saying is look at all of these people who don't care, therefore stop making an issue out of a non-issue. A non-issue that Sony does indeed actually care about. They care enough to offer it in some form and care enough to purposely block it.

 

[sainraja]

I think Sony needs to give a better explanation if they don't plan on supporting cross-platform play with other competing platforms but both companies are still doing things that are not consumer-friendly. Not justifying the practice......Sony is blocking cross-platform play with Xbox/Nintendo, while Microsoft is blocking people from being able to play Fortnite without a XBL Gold subscription while on the PS4 you don't need PlayStation Plus.

If anything, Sony needs to focus their messaging on that vs this. And allow people to play with Xbox/Nintendo but put in some warnings if they really do believe PlayStation is the best place to play.

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For me personally it is not a deal-breaker and from a business perspective I do see why they are hesitant but this will come back and hurt them later if they don't change.

 

[Darius87]

Talking with Louis is like falling into endless void of replies which you can't get out with conclusion.

 

[Maxximus]

My wife is PC only gamer. While I definitely plan to get a PC in the next few years, I am hugely impacted by cross platform restrictions while I am playing on my PS4 and Switch.

If PS5 does not have both backwards compatibility and cross platform support then I am definitely getting the Xbox.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

OK then. I guess I am now supposed to say thanks for dropping bye since you are leaving because people do not keep participating in things they don't care about. See that's the thing, people say they don't which is just a disguise. What they are really saying is look at all of these people who don't care, therefore stop making an issue out of a non-issue. A non-issue that Sony does indeed actually care about. They care enough to offer it in some form and care enough to purposely block it.

Wrong. I’ve already explained why I keep participating and saying I don’t care.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

My wife is PC only gamer. While I definitely plan to get a PC in the next few years, I am hugely impacted by cross platform restrictions while I am playing on my PS4 and Switch.

If PS5 does not have both backwards compatibility and cross platform support then I am definitely getting the Xbox.

Sorry, the majority PS4 owners already spoke on your behalf and they unanimously agreed nobody cares.

 

[phil_t98]

Wrong. I’ve already explained why I keep participating and saying I don’t care.

but you care enough to say you don't care lol

 

[oagboghi2]

To be fair, it used to be like that (so it's not strictly a lie) but after a couple of maintenance downtimes early this gen, it appears to have gotten quite stable.

It's 2018, not 2012. Presenting PSN as if it's the same as it was over half a decade ago is a purposeful lie.

Sorry, the majority PS4 owners already spoke on your behalf and they unanimously agreed nobody cares.

The market decided no one cares. Kinda like how the market decided MS DRM was a stupid idea, the market decided that exclusive games matter, etc etc..

 

[Musky_Cheese]

but you care enough to say you don't care lol

And I have already said why.

When all the people in here stop acting like everyone who isn't upset must be fanboys and trolls, I will stop telling you I don't care about this.

 

[thelastword]

My wife is PC only gamer. While I definitely plan to get a PC in the next few years, I am hugely impacted by cross platform restrictions while I am playing on my PS4 and Switch.

If PS5 does not have both backwards compatibility and cross platform support then I am definitely getting the Xbox.

This poster here is "hugely" affected by crossplay, even though XBOX has the least CP games with PC over SONY, but he mentions switch? Still, how many CP games are there between XBOX and Switch?

So many people arguing this thing most vehemently (not you Maxximus), don't even know the basic facts or stats on current CP titles. If you think MS is going to be the stalwart of CP next gen, you're in for a rude awakening, they're not even the best stalwart for CP this gen, Sony is......Can you believe that?....Yet, MS is only the biggest stalwart of making noise and shifting the loud speakers around the field.....It's crazy too, because despite how many times they shift those loud speakers, people just walk straight pass that noise, they're not interested, they just want to go where that noise AINT!

Yet, what is anti-consumer? Anti-consumer is not giving XBOX owners good games for 5 years, releasing XBONEX and telling OG XBOX-ONE owners tough luck with 816x756 resolutions, GO X or go home, we bought some studios (you guys won't see a game from these for years) except another Horizon which was already on the way anyway. We're cancelling games galore, "deal with it" whydon'tyou.....Crackdown powered by the cloud, another empty promise, dedicated servers, another empty promise, cloud powered games to make up for the underpowered XBOX-ONE spec, unlimited POWAH!, another empty promise....According to MS they're giving you the best and you better defend SOT and SOD2 online and say it's the most fun you've ever had....and agree that titles like SLT are the AAA titles you deserve...

I swear, MS fans have no idea what they're peddling, or perhaps they do and are just in denial. There are X fans who defended always online, daily online checks or you can't use your $500 machine....You can't just borrow a game in the same way it has been done for ages without issue, no, that has to change, MS is all about the bright ideas and pushing gaming forward you see.....Gamepass and EA access and a million other subs is the future of gaming, only MS can pioneer such a phase, MS is the only company that will bring us into the future that we need, the future that we deserve.

It's crazy too, because streaming was laughed at by MS fans, a bellyful rioutous laughter even, but now, since MS announced it this past E3, it 's the holy grail, it's the future of gaming, only MS can realize this streaming dream. You see, streaming will now change the gaming landscape. MS is the most innovative, they are what we need to push this industry forward, don't you see, are these guys aware that's what they peddle?...SMH...I even read earlier that had it not been for Live, we still wouldn't have online play as it is now....The whole world would be at a standstill, I guess no consoles ever did online before LIVE and it would never improve past the PS2/Dreamcast days either, had it not been for MS......sigh!...

Yet, you turn back the pages, there are X fans who defended TV TV TV, Kinect and Snap as the future of game consoles.....A product to dominate the living room and take over they said......The truth is, X fans sees every lunacy-laced idea MS pitches as hallways through which gaming will reach it's zen state and gamers will be embraced and locked tightly into an eternal state of bliss and gaming euphoria. My goodness, this is not Disney's "believe", it's the real world, where businesses exist to make money and consumers are ensured not to be held at gunpoint when they purchase a PS4. People are suggesting Sony is forcing persons to stay in the ecosystem or buy PS4's. If you're not happy with PS4, choose another product, but don't be upset when many are not invested or care much for your console/platform of choice or rather, the competition.

CP is not going to change people's outlook on MS this gen, neither will BC (btw). Sony had full BC for two generations, not the quarter-handed BC XBONEX has now, nobody bat an eyelid, people rather complained the box was too expensive.... Sony said let's do CP last gen, MS said, who? are you kidding, PS owners did not even care nor raised any pitchforks, we were happy with our ecosystem....None of the ideas MS has raised was because they loved you....On the flip, people love Sony because they deliver on the promise they made.....in every generation...."Hey we have this console, we will ensure we provide a secure ecosystem and most importantly we will double down on games", games galore, that's why you're here right? Games innit??? That's all there is to it......Fin!

All this meandering around CP means nothing, Sony never promised you CP, yet they still offer you the most CP over all other manufacturers, ironic innit?? They're simply saying, no we're not helping MS benefit from our installbase.....If MS was the good guy, there would be no need for all these pitchforks, an argument would not even have to be made. If MS had the games and was truly the best place to play, people would be there, but it's not. So answer this, why are all PRO owners not honoring that Gamespot deal that's ongoing right now.....

Trade in your PRO for $300 and get an XBONEX? Whydon'tyou? Let's say all PRO owners do so right now, including myself, what is it I'm really going to miss out on? Lots, pretty much everything I bought a system to play this gen...First off, I wont be able to continue my GOW NG+ playthrough, SFV which I play everyday will be no more (CP game btw, yet Sony hates CP), When I want my Fortnite fix or any FREE TO PLAY game, I'd have to be subbed to LIVE, Hell even on betas too? SMH... (Lets not discuss that though, let's brush this bad-boy under the rug, because have you not heard? MS is not-anticonsumer, haven't you heard that gospel truth of the second-coming of MS? Yet, all this noise is for this same fortnite game btw....a verified FREE TO PLAY game on PSN, but PAY to PLAY on LIVE). But no, whilst Sony doesn't require a fee, MS wants Sony to open up it's goodwill F2P game to paying XBOX persons, SO MS can enjoy the benefits of a much larger installbase for shits and giggles at Sony's expense whilst they double down by getting live sub money and more players for their base, whilst sony gets the iron with no money from PLUS, no benefit to their base really, except whining Xfans going by this thread. So sony should just relinquish potential PS4 sales, potential PSN spending to MS, because you're an idiot and you entered business to be a good guy to your competitor and take it raw sans vaseline in the space........

Yet going back to trading my PRO, which I purchased to play the best games this gen btw, which is all gamers ever care about, not TV, UHD, CP, SNAP or whatever MS dangles before you to hide the fact they did not deliver on the basic premise of the console. (THE GAMES)......Where I'm I going to play the best sim racing online in GTS, where I'm I going to replay UC4/LL and do the occasional lap in DC, where I'm I going to replay Bloodborne or TLG or Until Dawn or Zero Dawn. Where will I play Spiderman next week,...can't believe...., or Medievil or TLOU2 or Days Gone or Ghosts of Tsushima or Death Stranding and so many more.......?

Yet the clincher is this, if CP is important to me, despite the fact I'd be missing on all of these great games, and if CP is more important to me than all these great games....I can't sincerely purchase XBONEX anyway, because MS is all firewood, they're all talk. NEWSFLASH! PS4 has the most Crossplay games by a country mile, the topic on which this whole thread is based....When I look at how many games are CP on PS4 vs XBOX or Nintendo, the number of CP games on PS dwarfs them both combined. So you wonder how the one speaking the loudest at the track and saying Usain Bolt is too slow, is the one which can't even beat him at track (CP)......I mean....goodness gracious folks, it's not too hard to understand.... I mean basic logic can't be that hard can it?

 

[Son_of_Zardoz]

If Sony is going to keep to their current position on this, they really should just avoid commenting on it. I think the effect it has on them will be directly correlated with how long Fortnite stays popular. If it dies down fairly quickly it probably will have next to no ill effects. However, if this is still the case when the next round of consoles launch I wonder how it will play into decisions, mainly when it comes to kids and what they ask for. Still might not amount to much, but with how big Fortnite has gotten, you'd think they would want to welcome existing accounts in with open arms.

Like I was saying previously, my son and his friends have gone nuts over Fortnite. Other than being free and being a competent shooter I don't see how it has blown up so much--it really doesn't do anything for me. But that is all his group of friends play. They occasionally take a break and go back to Minecraft and Roblox, but this is definitely their main game for the foreseeable future. I would think Sony would at least remedy the account locking thing before the next PS comes around and kids with accounts they've already established elsewhere are deciding what to get.


Great, I got buried beneath another wall of lastword diarrhea, awesome!

 

[Louis Cyphre]

This poster here is "hugely" affected by crossplay, even though XBOX has the least CP games with PC over SONY, but he mentions switch? Still, how many CP games are there between XBOX and Switch?

So many people arguing this thing most vehemently (not you Maxximus), don't even know the basic facts or stats on current CP titles. If you think MS is going to be the stalwart of CP next gen, you're in for a rude awakening, they're not even the best stalwart for CP this gen, Sony is...Can you believe?....MS is only the biggest stalwart of making noise and shifting the loud speakers around the field.....It's crazy too because despite how many times they shift those loud speakers, people just walk straight pass that noise, they're not interested, they just want to go where that noise AINT!

Yet, what is anti-consumer? Anti-consumer is not giving XBOX owners good games for 5 years, releasing XBONEX and telling OG XBOX-ONE owners tough luck with 816x756 resolutions, GO X or go home, we bought some studios (you guys won't see a game from these for years) except another Horizon which was already on the way anyway. We're cancelling games galore, "deal with it", Crackdown powered by the cloud another empty promise, dedicated servers another empty promise, cloud powered games everywhere, another empty promise....You will defend SOT and SOD2 online and say it's the most fun you've ever had....

I swear MS fans have no idea what they're peddling, or perhaps they do and are just in denial. There are X fans who defended always online, online checks or you can't use your machine unless....You can't just borrow a game like was done for ages without issue, no that had to change......All MS ideas and peddling pitches are the future. Gamepass and EA access is the future of gaming, MS is the only company that will bring us into the future that we need, the one we deserve. Streaming was laughed at by MS fans, rioutous laughter even, but now, since MS announced it, it 's the holy grail, it's the future. Streaming will change the gaming landscape. You see MS is pushing this industry forward don't you see. I think I even read earlier that had it not been for Live, we still wouldn't have online play as it is now. I guess no consoles did online before and it would never improve past the PS2 dreamcast days, had it not been for MS SMH...

There are X fans who defended TV TV TV, Kinect and Snap as the future of game consoles.....A product to dominate the living room and take over they said......X fans sees every lunacy laced idea MS pitches as hallways trough which gaming will reach it's zen state and gamers embraced and locked tightly into an eternal state of pure bliss and gaming Euphoria. My goodness, this is not Disney's "believe", it's the real world. None of the ideas MS had was because they loved you....On the flip, people love Sony because they deliver on the promise they made....."Hey we have this console, we will ensure we provide a secure ecosystem and most importantly we will double down on games", games galore, that's why you here right? Games innit??? That's all it is...

All this meandering around CP means nothing, Sony never promised you CP, yet they still offer you the most CP over all other manufacturers, ironic innit?? They're simply saying, no we're not helping MS benefit from our installbase.....If MS was the good guy, there would be no need for all these pitchforks, an argument would not even have to be made. If MS had the games and was truly the best place to play, people would be there, but it's not. SO answer this, why are all PRO owners not honoring that Gamespot deal that's ongoing right now.....Trade in your PRO for $300 and get an XBONEX? Let's say all PRO owners do so right now, including myself, what is it I'm going to miss out on? First off, I wont be able to continue my GOW NG+ playthrough, SFV which I play everyday is no more (CP game btw, yet Sony hates CP), When I want my Fortnite fix or any FREE TO PLAY game I'd have to be subbed to LIVE, Hell even betas too? (Why not? MS is not-anticonsumer, have you heard that gospel truth? yet, all this noise is for this same fortnite game btw....). Yet, where I'm I going to play the best sim racing online in GTS, where I'm I going to replay UC4/LL and do the occasional laps in DC, where I'm i going to replay Bloodborne or TLG or Until Dawn or Zero Dawn. Where will I play Spiderman next week, or Medievil or TLOU2 or Days Gone or Ghosts of Tsushima or Death Stranding and so many more.......?

Yet the clincher is this, if CP is important to me, after all of this....When I look at how many games are CP on PS4 over XBOX or Nintendo, the number of CP games on PS dwarfs them both combined. So you wonder how the one speaking the loudest at the track and saying Usain Bolt is too slow is the one which can't even beat him at track (CP)......

MS this, MS that. PlayStation versus Xbox is all this user cares about.

You know a thread is in trouble when you have this person writing novels without ever getting to the point. Sony is blocking Fortnite accounts and has of yet given a reasonable answer as to why. Shawn Layden said not too long ago they would have a solution. Is this after or before users are able to change their PSN username, which he also said is coming soon.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Please stop calling it CP guys

 

[Clear]

MS this, MS that. PlayStation versus Xbox is all this user cares about.

You have to admit that MS have used this topic to try and curry public favor and force Sony's hand into allowing them access to their advantageously sized online userbase. Its relevant.

As is the fact that they (MS) only had a change of heart on this issue recently and still impose a paywall on Beta's and F2P titles. Nintendo's standing on the issue is relevant also, but until their service is actually live its hard to make a judgement.

The bottom line remains however that this is not about Cross-Play, but specifically about Cross Console Play and so the other two console platform holders are integral to any sort of discussion. So... I guess if you want to use acronym's lets use CCP here, not CP

 

[Tarkus98]

This thread is still chugging along, good grief? There is at least some interesting facts that I’ve learned reading through this.
Meh, that’s all - carry on....

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I think Sony needs to give a better explanation if they don't plan on supporting cross-platform play with other competing platforms but both companies are still doing things that are not consumer-friendly. Not justifying the practice......Sony is blocking cross-platform play with Xbox/Nintendo, while Microsoft is blocking people from being able to play Fortnite without a XBL Gold subscription while on the PS4 you don't need PlayStation Plus.

If anything, Sony needs to focus their messaging on that vs this. And allow people to play with Xbox/Nintendo but put in some warnings if they really do believe PlayStation is the best place to play.

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For me personally it is not a deal-breaker and from a business perspective I do see why they are hesitant but this will come back and hurt them later if they don't change.

No. It won't. This is twitter-voice fantasy land.

 

[Lort]

I was glad they turned down EA Access simply because I think had they not, pretty much every major publisher with major annualized properties would have jumped on the bandwagon by now. I do not see an upside to proliferating these subscription based services.

Did EA stop selling full priced games? Do you not want Netflix and EA Access or do you not want ME to have them?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

MS this, MS that. PlayStation versus Xbox is all this user cares about.

You know a thread is in trouble when you have this person writing novels without ever getting to the point. Sony is blocking Fortnite accounts and has of yet given a reasonable answer as to why. Shawn Layden said not too long ago they would have a solution. Is this after or before users are able to change their PSN username, which he also said is coming soon.

Fortnite Battle Royale does not require a PS+ subscription meaning you can play it totally free, while you must have an Xbox Live subscription to play Fortnite. MS is being totally anti-consumer by forcing you to buy a Live subscription to play it.

I will happily join you in being outraged at MS for forcing Fortnite players to pay for an Xbox Live subscription to do something that Sony Fortnite players to play for free.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Fortnite Battle Royale does not require a PS+ subscription meaning you can play it totally free, while you must have an Xbox Live subscription to play Fortnite. MS is being totally anti-consumer by forcing you to buy a Live subscription to play it.

I will happily join you in being outraged at MS for forcing Fortnite players to pay for an Xbox Live subscription to do something that Sony Fortnite players to play for free.

Some of the Xbox fans showed their true colors in this thread, where they even said in their posts, "we don't care that they charge Gold for F2P (and now betas with BFV)".

MS wanting access to Sony's free player pool, while they charge their own players for it. You just can't make this shit up. There is always a catch.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Some of the Xbox fans showed their true colors in this thread, where they even said in their posts, "we don't care that they charge Gold for F2P (and now betas with BFV)".

MS wanting access to Sony's free player pool, while they charge their own players for it. You just can't make this shit up. There is always a catch.

The thing is, I just found out that Battle Royale doesn't require PS+, I assumed it would require a subscription. Yet, MS forces everyone to have a Gold membership to play.

I will just assume the people outraged at lack of crossplay didn't know either.

<sarcasm>I have no doubt that they will redirect all of that Anti-Sony energy into demanding that MS allow Battle Royale to be played without a Gold subscription. It's obvious who the real anti-consumer.

It's nice to know that if I can no longer keep my PS+ and Gold subscriptions that I can still play Fortnite with 80M potential other users, while MS will effectively give me the finger and say "No pay. No play, bitch!". Just horrible and unfair. <end sarcasm>

 

[DeepEnigma]

The thing is, I just found out that Battle Royale doesn't require PS+, I assumed it would require a subscription. Yet, MS forces everyone to have a Gold membership to play.

I will just assume the people outraged at lack of crossplay didn't know either.

<sarcasm>I have no doubt that they will redirect all of that Anti-Sony energy into demanding that MS allow Battle Royale to be played without a Gold subscription. It's obvious who the real anti-consumer.

It's nice to know that if I can no longer keep my PS+ and Gold subscriptions that I can still play Fortnite with 80M potential other users, while MS will effectively give me the finger and say "No pay. No play, bitch!". Just horrible and unfair. <end sarcasm>

Every F2P game or beta/demo on the PS4 does not, and has never required Plus.

"Anti-consumer" tho to not let MS have access to that, when MS charges their players to.

 

[Kagero]

Fortnite on Playstation doesn't require a monthly sub. No one talks about that though right lol.

EDIT: Beaten

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Fortnite on Playstation doesn't require a monthly sub. No one talks about that though right lol.

That's why kiddies love it!

 

[Kagero]

That's why kiddies love it!

That's why fortnite is huge! Epic games ain't doin shit to Sony. They should be thanking them.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Fortnite on Playstation doesn't require a monthly sub. No one talks about that though right lol.

EDIT: Beaten

Like I said, I just found out. I can't wait to hear what mad597 and Louis Cyphre's argument.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Like I said, I just found out. I can't wait to hear what mad597 and Louis Cyphre's argument.

This is what one Xbox fan had to say...

He forgot that Fortnite is free on psn

You forgot no one gives a s@%#. This is only being used as fuel on the console war, but no one really cares. It’s just an “hur dur my platform does this and yours don’t so mines better” argument.

Oh the irony.

What exactly is going on here then?

 

[Clear]

Did EA stop selling full priced games? Do you not want Netflix and EA Access or do you not want ME to have them?

Already explained my position in posts #305 and #3011.

Netflix for games is a shit idea. Sorry but the patterns of user consumption for games versus tv and movies are just too damn different. It just commodifies and devalues the product and is in my opinion a real danger to the future wellbeing of the industry.

I expect a lot of pushback on that last statement but I stand 100% behind it.

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

It's not right that MS charges for f2p game access. That's not what this thread is about. There is a thread for that, that you can continue your whataboutisms. What this thread is about is Sony's ridiculous statements on cross play and locking up 3rd party accounts, which NO ONE should be supporting their decision of the latter. You should not want any company telling you what you can and can't do with purchases you made elsewhere. That is pure corporate staning.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Already explained my position in posts #305 and #3011.

Netflix for games is a shit idea. Sorry but the patterns of user consumption for games versus tv and movies are just too damn different. It just commodifies and devalues the product and is in my opinion a real danger to the future wellbeing of the industry.

I expect a lot of pushback on that last statement but I stand 100% behind it.

It is the new angle and drip-feed to usher in "always online" IMO.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Some of the Xbox fans showed their true colors in this thread, where they even said in their posts, "we don't care that they charge Gold for F2P (and now betas with BFV)".

MS wanting access to Sony's free player pool, while they charge their own players for it. You just can't make this shit up. There is always a catch.

Nobody is defending Xbox Live requirements to play others online but Xbox Live Gold has always been required from day one for all games. It could even be one of the reasons why Final Fantasy Online is being held up. PSN however started out free, then they added an optional Plus service that had things like cloud saves and then it progressed to matchmaking being behind a paywall with F2P games being exempt.

This topic is not about paying to play people online, it's Sony distorted views on their reasoning to block crossplay and more importantly blocking users accounts for Fortnite. Which Shawn layden said they would have a solution for. I realize Sony is very slow tro adopt any changes like PSN usernames so my theory is PSN is a mess to work with and why unblocking Fornite accounts is taking longer than expected or maybe it's just another PR stunt in hopes it all goles away.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nobody is defending Xbox Live requirements to play others online but Xbox Live Gold has always been required from day one for all games. It could even be one of the reasons why Final Fantasy Online is being held up. PSN however started out free, then they added an optional Plus service that had things like cloud saves and then it progressed to matchmaking being behind a paywall with F2P games being exempt.

This topic is not about paying to play people online, it's Sony distorted views on their reasoning to block crossplay and more importantly blocking users accounts for Fortnite. Which Shawn layden said they would have a solution for. I realize Sony is very slow tro adopt any changes like PSN usernames so my theory is PSN is a mess to work with and why unblocking Fornite accounts is taking longer than expected or maybe it's just another PR stunt in hopes it all goles away.

Maybe they are blocking it because they do not want MS profiting off of their free player pool. That is what competing businesses do more often than not.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Nobody is defending Xbox Live requirements to play others online but Xbox Live Gold has always been required from day one for all games. It could even be one of the reasons why Final Fantasy Online is being held up. PSN however started out free, then they added an optional Plus service that had things like cloud saves and then it progressed to matchmaking being behind a paywall with F2P games being exempt.

This topic is not about paying to play people online, it's Sony distorted views on their reasoning to block crossplay and more importantly blocking users accounts for Fortnite. Which Shawn layden said they would have a solution for. I realize Sony is very slow tro adopt any changes like PSN usernames so my theory is PSN is a mess to work with and why unblocking Fornite accounts is taking longer than expected or maybe it's just another PR stunt in hopes it all goles away.

But at the end of the day Crossplay becomes irrelevant when you consider that Fortnite is free to play on PSN and you have to pay to play it on Xbox.

Sony gets to say buy a PS4, download Fortnite and play the game with no additional costs and access to an 80M player pool.

MS says buy an X1, download Fortnite, pay a subscription and then play against a 40M player pool.

But Sony is the anti consumer one!

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

But at the end of the day Crossplay becomes irrelevant when you consider that Fortnite is free to play on PSN and you have to pay to play it on Xbox.

Sony gets to say buy a PS4, download Fortnite and play the game with no additional costs and access to an 80M player pool.

What about people that bought their items on PC and wanted to try out ps4 version once, then decided to play on switch or xbox and now can't use those pc purchases or same account that wasn't created on playstation? Isn't it anti consumer to steal access to their freedom?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

It's not right that MS charges for f2p game access. That's not what this thread is about. There is a thread for that, that you can continue your whataboutisms. What this thread is about is Sony's ridiculous statements on cross play and locking up 3rd party accounts, which NO ONE should be supporting their decision of the latter. You should not want any company telling you what you can and can't do with purchases you made elsewhere. That is pure corporate staning.

Except the free argument makes your argument completely irrelevant.

Sony is already allowing Fortnite to be played for free on their system, which immediately makes it a better offer than what MS has.

And then you guys have the galll to complain that Sony which already has the best console deal for Fortnite is not doing something that would benefit MS far more than it would benefit Sony. Your arguments have literally no legs to stand on.

This thread is officially dead.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

What about people that bought their items on PC and wanted to try out ps4 version once, then decided to play on switch or xbox and now can't use those pc purchases or same account that wasn't created on playstation? Isn't it anti consumer to steal access to their freedom?

I can sympathize somewhat with this view but at the same time if I buy a game on the X1 and get the same game on PS4 but I buy the DLC on one of those systems I don’t get access to the DLC on the other. Let’s take it a step further if I buy a game on PSN I don’t get it free on X1 or vice versa, so it’s not a new practice.

But I will concede that it’s not an unreasonable complaint.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

But at the end of the day Crossplay becomes irrelevant when you consider that Fortnite is free to play on PSN and you have to pay to play it on Xbox.

Sony gets to say buy a PS4, download Fortnite and play the game with no additional costs and access to an 80M player pool.

MS says buy an X1, download Fortnite, pay a subscription and then play against a 40M player pool.

But Sony is the anti consumer one!

Is Rocket League irelevant too? You seem to be moving the goalposts here and that is Sony has made it their policy to not have console crossplay, regardless if the game is F2P or not. This goes against the developers wishes but you guys want to keep making this about MS. Epic and their game Fortnite takes things one step further, they want a game that can be progressive acrtoss all platforms and it is, except for one. That one party is continuing to decide on behalf of its users what's best for them. Just like EA access. Now tell me after all these discussions why this decision with console crossplay is good for you.

Maybe they are blocking it because they do not want MS profiting off of their free player pool. That is what competing businesses do more often than not.

But I thought nobody cares about crossplay, so what profits?

 

[The_Mike]

This is what one Xbox fan had to say...





Oh the irony.

What exactly is going on here then?

Fanboys derailing yet again. Graphics also mattered until One X got released. Look at how important that is now.

If MS had as many exclusives as PS4, then Sony fanboys would find another argument as to why PS4 is best, even though that’s the last thing they really can hold onto.

 

[gioGAF]

I am glad others have come forth to point out how stupid it is to say Sony is the one who is at fault. I already said I dislike MS, however I am perfectly fine with them existing in gaming, just not in a position to dictate where the market goes. If PS4 hadn't trounced the 'bone this generation, people on the MS console would still find Netflix behind a paywall and they sure as hell wouldn't be getting any backwards compatibility.

MS is just fine when they are lagging behind, like they are now and like they were with the OG Xbox.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I am glad others have come forth to point out how stupid it is to say Sony is the one who is at fault. I already said I dislike MS, however I am perfectly fine with them existing in gaming, just not in a position to dictate where the market goes. If PS4 hadn't trounced the 'bone this generation, people on the MS console would still find Netflix behind a paywall and they sure as hell wouldn't be getting any backwards compatibility.

MS is just fine when they are lagging behind, like they are now and like they were with the OG Xbox.

What you are telling everyone is Sony dictating how third party accounts should be handled like Fortnite is better, that the way they handle crossplay is better, the way they have handled BC is better. This is one of the dumbets posts yet in this thread and that's saying something.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

What you are telling everyone is Sony dictating how third party accounts should be handled like Fortnite is better, that the way they handle crossplay is better, the way they have handled BC is better. This is one of the dumbets posts yet in this thread and that's saying something.

Thats rich coming from you. You're the one trying to argue that Sony who is allowing you to play Fortnite for free without any subscription is the bad guy. While youre arguing that MS who forces you to pay extra to enjoy Fortnite is the good guy. That takes the cake on dumb arguments.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Thats rich coming from you. You're the one trying to argue that Sony who is allowing you to play Fortnite for free without any subscription is the bad guy. While youre arguing that MS who forces you to pay extra to enjoy Fortnite is the good guy. That takes the cake on dumb arguments.

It's currently free on Switch too, so tell me again how Sony isn't the bad guy. Not once have any of you told me how this is making your experience on PS4 better other than you don't care about crossplay yet keep talking about it.

 

[The_Mike]

Thats rich coming from you. You're the one trying to argue that Sony who is allowing you to play Fortnite for free without any subscription is the bad guy. While youre arguing that MS who forces you to pay extra to enjoy Fortnite is the good guy. That takes the cake on dumb arguments.

You’re right. A problem only PS4 fanboys use and what actual players don’t care about to counter all the good Microsoft does it a strong counter argument.

/S

 

[JohnnyFootball]

You’re right. A problem only PS4 fanboys use and what actual players don’t care about to counter all the good Microsoft does it a strong counter argument.

/S

What did I just read?

 

[rickz0rz]

Oof. This reply is full of so many red herrings and false equivalence...

This poster here is "hugely" affected by crossplay, even though XBOX has the least CP games with PC over SONY, but he mentions switch? Still, how many CP games are there between XBOX and Switch?

Yet, what is anti-consumer? Anti-consumer is not giving XBOX owners good games for 5 years, releasing XBONEX and telling OG XBOX-ONE owners tough luck with 816x756 resolutions, GO X or go home, we bought some studios (you guys won't see a game from these for years) except another Horizon which was already on the way anyway. We're cancelling games galore, "deal with it" whydon'tyou.....Crackdown powered by the cloud, another empty promise, dedicated servers, another empty promise, cloud powered games to make up for the underpowered XBOX-ONE spec, unlimited POWAH!, another empty promise....According to MS they're giving you the best and you better defend SOT and SOD2 online and say it's the most fun you've ever had....and agree that titles like SLT are the AAA titles you deserve...

...that it's probably in everyone's best interest to avoid that dumpster fire of a post. The verbal vomit, quantity, and length of the posts are clearly just an example of argumentum ad nauseam. Argue loud, argue frequently, and eventually people will stop replying.

The best part is that none of these posts actually addressed Sony's comments on cross-platform play and their statement.

Like a dumpster fire, it's probably fun to watch from a distance but don't get too close.

 

[DeepEnigma]

But I thought nobody cares about crossplay, so what profits?

You are being painfully obtuse.

MS profiting off of their Live users, while the added traffic to the PSN networks they see no money from.

But anyways, just another laugh in the equation when people toss around words like "anti-consumer".

 

[DeepEnigma]

Fanboys derailing yet again. Graphics also mattered until One X got released. Look at how important that is now.

If MS had as many exclusives as PS4, then Sony fanboys would find another argument as to why PS4 is best, even though that’s the last thing they really can hold onto.

I do not feel like getting into a back and forth with you, because clearly you have a pension to call anyone and everyone a "fanboy" who disagrees or points out your hypcrisy, when your ass is every bit a cheerleader for the green box.

But I will say this, if you can shout from the rooftops, "nobody gives a shit about being charged to play a F2P game" on your box of choice, then do not get your knickers in a twist when the fans of their blue box say, "we do not give a shit either about cross-play".

And what the fuck does graphics and exclusives have to do with what I quoted you on? You are off the rails.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

You are being painfully obtuse.

MS profiting off of their Live users, while the added traffic to the PSN networks they see no money from.

But anyways, just another laugh in the equation when people toss around words like "anti-consumer".

I don't think it's anti-consumer, just arrogance which sadly it's loyal fans seem to relish in.

I am glad the media is continuing to call them on it though,

Sony CEO makes it clear that console cross-play is never coming to ‘Fortnite’ on PS4

Just more bullshit from Sony who said they are working on a solution.

 

[oagboghi2]

This topic is not about paying to play people online, .

of course not, because if it was your "Sony is anti consumer" rhetoric would look even more patheticly hollow than it does now.

You’re right. A problem only PS4 fanboys use and what actual players don’t care about to counter all the good Microsoft does it a strong counter argument.

/S

It seems as if "actual players" don't give a damn about cross play.

 

[mad597]

This poster here is "hugely" affected by crossplay, even though XBOX has the least CP games with PC over SONY, but he mentions switch? Still, how many CP games are there between XBOX and Switch?

So many people arguing this thing most vehemently (not you Maxximus), don't even know the basic facts or stats on current CP titles. If you think MS is going to be the stalwart of CP next gen, you're in for a rude awakening, they're not even the best stalwart for CP this gen, Sony is......Can you believe that?....Yet, MS is only the biggest stalwart of making noise and shifting the loud speakers around the field.....It's crazy too, because despite how many times they shift those loud speakers, people just walk straight pass that noise, they're not interested, they just want to go where that noise AINT!

Yet, what is anti-consumer? Anti-consumer is not giving XBOX owners good games for 5 years, releasing XBONEX and telling OG XBOX-ONE owners tough luck with 816x756 resolutions, GO X or go home, we bought some studios (you guys won't see a game from these for years) except another Horizon which was already on the way anyway. We're cancelling games galore, "deal with it" whydon'tyou.....Crackdown powered by the cloud, another empty promise, dedicated servers, another empty promise, cloud powered games to make up for the underpowered XBOX-ONE spec, unlimited POWAH!, another empty promise....According to MS they're giving you the best and you better defend SOT and SOD2 online and say it's the most fun you've ever had....and agree that titles like SLT are the AAA titles you deserve...

I swear, MS fans have no idea what they're peddling, or perhaps they do and are just in denial. There are X fans who defended always online, daily online checks or you can't use your $500 machine....You can't just borrow a game in the same way it has been done for ages without issue, no, that has to change, MS is all about the bright ideas and pushing gaming forward you see.....Gamepass and EA access and a million other subs is the future of gaming, only MS can pioneer such a phase, MS is the only company that will bring us into the future that we need, the future that we deserve.

It's crazy too, because streaming was laughed at by MS fans, a bellyful rioutous laughter even, but now, since MS announced it this past E3, it 's the holy grail, it's the future of gaming, only MS can realize this streaming dream. You see, streaming will now change the gaming landscape. MS is the most innovative, they are what we need to push this industry forward, don't you see, are these guys aware that's what they peddle?...SMH...I even read earlier that had it not been for Live, we still wouldn't have online play as it is now....The whole world would be at a standstill, I guess no consoles ever did online before LIVE and it would never improve past the PS2/Dreamcast days either, had it not been for MS......sigh!...

Yet, you turn back the pages, there are X fans who defended TV TV TV, Kinect and Snap as the future of game consoles.....A product to dominate the living room and take over they said......The truth is, X fans sees every lunacy-laced idea MS pitches as hallways through which gaming will reach it's zen state and gamers will be embraced and locked tightly into an eternal state of bliss and gaming euphoria. My goodness, this is not Disney's "believe", it's the real world, where businesses exist to make money and consumers are ensured not to be held at gunpoint when they purchase a PS4. People are suggesting Sony is forcing persons to stay in the ecosystem or buy PS4's. If you're not happy with PS4, choose another product, but don't be upset when many are not invested or care much for your console/platform of choice or rather, the competition.

CP is not going to change people's outlook on MS this gen, neither will BC (btw). Sony had full BC for two generations, not the quarter-handed BC XBONEX has now, nobody bat an eyelid, people rather complained the box was too expensive.... Sony said let's do CP last gen, MS said, who? are you kidding, PS owners did not even care nor raised any pitchforks, we were happy with our ecosystem....None of the ideas MS has raised was because they loved you....On the flip, people love Sony because they deliver on the promise they made.....in every generation...."Hey we have this console, we will ensure we provide a secure ecosystem and most importantly we will double down on games", games galore, that's why you're here right? Games innit??? That's all there is to it......Fin!

All this meandering around CP means nothing, Sony never promised you CP, yet they still offer you the most CP over all other manufacturers, ironic innit?? They're simply saying, no we're not helping MS benefit from our installbase.....If MS was the good guy, there would be no need for all these pitchforks, an argument would not even have to be made. If MS had the games and was truly the best place to play, people would be there, but it's not. So answer this, why are all PRO owners not honoring that Gamespot deal that's ongoing right now.....

Trade in your PRO for $300 and get an XBONEX? Whydon'tyou? Let's say all PRO owners do so right now, including myself, what is it I'm really going to miss out on? Lots, pretty much everything I bought a system to play this gen...First off, I wont be able to continue my GOW NG+ playthrough, SFV which I play everyday will be no more (CP game btw, yet Sony hates CP), When I want my Fortnite fix or any FREE TO PLAY game, I'd have to be subbed to LIVE, Hell even on betas too? SMH... (Lets not discuss that though, let's brush this bad-boy under the rug, because have you not heard? MS is not-anticonsumer, haven't you heard that gospel truth of the second-coming of MS? Yet, all this noise is for this same fortnite game btw....a verified FREE TO PLAY game on PSN, but PAY to PLAY on LIVE). But no, whilst Sony doesn't require a fee, MS wants Sony to open up it's goodwill F2P game to paying XBOX persons, SO MS can enjoy the benefits of a much larger installbase for shits and giggles at Sony's expense whilst they they double down by getting live sub money and more players for their base, whilst sony gets the iron with no money from PLUS, no benefit to their base really, except whining Xfans going by this thread. So sony should just relinquish potential PS4 sales, potential PSN spending to MS, because you're an idiot and you entered business to be a good guy to your competitor and take it raw sans vaseline in the space........

Yet going back to trading my PRO, which I purchased to play the best games this gen btw, which is all gamers ever care about, not TV, UHD, CP, SNAP or whatever MS dangles before you to hide the fact they did not deliver on the basic premise of the console. (THE GAMES)......Where I'm I going to play the best sim racing online in GTS, where I'm I going to replay UC4/LL and do the occasional lap in DC, where I'm I going to replay Bloodborne or TLG or Until Dawn or Zero Dawn. Where will I play Spiderman next week can't believe...., or Medievil or TLOU2 or Days Gone or Ghosts of Tsushima or Death Stranding and so many more.......?

Yet the clincher is this, if CP is important to me, despite the fact I'd be missing on all of these great games, and if CP is more important to me than all these great games....I can't sincerely purchase XBONEX anyway, because MS is all firewood, they're all talk. NEWSFLASH! PS4 has the most Crossplay games by a country mile, the topic on which this whole thread is based....When I look at how many games are CP on PS4 vs XBOX or Nintendo, the number of CP games on PS dwarfs them both combined. So you wonder how the one speaking the loudest at the track and saying Usain Bolt is too slow, is the one which can't even beat him at track (CP)......I mean....goodness gracious folks, it's not too hard to understand.... I mean basic logic can't be that hard can it?

No one is reading this crap. You are a complete nutjob

 

[mad597]

The thing is, I just found out that Battle Royale doesn't require PS+, I assumed it would require a subscription. Yet, MS forces everyone to have a Gold membership to play.

I will just assume the people outraged at lack of crossplay didn't know either.

<sarcasm>I have no doubt that they will redirect all of that Anti-Sony energy into demanding that MS allow Battle Royale to be played without a Gold subscription. It's obvious who the real anti-consumer.

It's nice to know that if I can no longer keep my PS+ and Gold subscriptions that I can still play Fortnite with 80M potential other users, while MS will effectively give me the finger and say "No pay. No play, bitch!". Just horrible and unfair. <end sarcasm>

Make a thread on it, you will find that Xbox fans aren't going to placate MS on this one. MS should change this policy it doesn't make sense to charge online for F2P games.

It's pretty simple to call out a bad practice instead of twisting logic and writing fan fiction novels to defend the honor of your favorite plastic box.

This still doesn't absolve Sony from the act of locking out 3rd party accounts though which is the topic of this thread.