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I meant to reference the last bit of your post about them not having a great start

every objective metric points to the resetera launch exceeding expectations

I mean, if we're talking about number of posts and number of users why not call 4chan a smashing success? That place is a fucking cesspool, but if we just look at metrics it's one of the best forums on the net.

What kind of community is the administration building? What is the culture there? Sure, right now it's a shiny new alternative, but will it end up having the kinds of problems GAF has developed? It seems like they're laying the foundation for it to do that. Like I said, I hope it ends up a good community, but I see some red flags. If anything, now is the time to break away from some of the paradigms GAF had to fall into to stay afloat, not re-entrench in them and reinforce them in a new community.

 

[FoxSpirit]

I agree that Tyler handled the aftermath extremely poorly, but this a community that’s been going for nigh on two decades. It sucks to see it go down.

It's been covfefe.

It's an old stupid incident. Easy "that was stupid, we talked it out and even had sex later, old story I am sorry about." answer. Done. Especially since even the accusing party said it was old and done in her book.
Instead the accused denied ANY wrong on his part and launched a extremely heavy ad hominem attack.

Many of us have seen this shit played out a lot of times and it casts a terrible light on the accused. Plus this has not been the first questionable statement, it was merely the one too much, too heavyhanded.

GAF in the past has been very condeming of such incidents so when it hit break point here it merely showed it really takes such things in deep earnest.

 

[IISANDERII]

So how many of the account suicides were racist and hate speech?

You guys, smh...

I quit counting after 5.

[(removed)]That's a hot take but unfortunately an incorrect one.

 

[Ombra]

I'm still not going to pass judgement until I know more, but regardless of how you feel about EviLore personal matters, the fact remains he has managed all this horribly.

There are so many ways he could have handled this better, but instead he mass bans anyone who brings it up, puts the mods in a position where they either have to back him or leave, closed the entire site because he could no longer keep control (despite the fact he has so many tools as admin available to him), then instead of recognising things could have been handled better, blames the whole of OT.

I'm not even going to begin commenting on how abhorrent it is to attack a person credibility by either making up or outing a persons mental disability.

This event has just proves how this site is not being treated like a community or even a business. This place is being treated like a fiefdom with a toddler in charge.

Did you really just blame him for not moderating the entire site. Every thread every board..by himself..after every other mod burnt out? Thats deep.

 

[krang]

It’s not even just about the incident(s) any more. The continued reaction afterwards has been very enlightening. There’s every opportunity to stand up, be honest, take it all on the chin. But nope.

For example, the closing post of the “State of NeoGAF” thread? Petty, is the word I’d use.

 

[SuperRaddy]

I don’t really post here a lot hencse still the junior status, but I’ve lurked and read these boards for years. I think the exodus has been coming for a long time and this latest incident was the perfect catalyst for it to be enacted upon.

I must admit when reading posts by Evilore to me there has always been a certain amount of arrogance blended within them. However, under normal circumstances what is anyone going to do? Nothing.

I’ve also witnessed massive hatred to views, stories, tweets and reports of people in the public spot light which feeds cesspool of threads with nothing more then hatred, abuse and name calling towards these people without any mod interaction to try and force a calmer discussion. We all get passionate but this place has railroaded down a one way path over the past year or more to one sided views and people unable to have proper discussion without offending the *community* as a whole.. and this is the mods fault here.

So when these accusations became public and the aftermath afterwards it is only fair to assume that what appears to be the vocal majority would want a new home to be at for a fresh start, or reset.

It’s clear that the other forum is getting more traffic, equivalent OT threads over there over the past day or so have many more replies than the ones here do.

I look forward to public registrations becoming available there because whether evilore is guilty or not this place has deteriorated way to much to continue, thank you and good night 😊

 

[EviLore]

I'm still not going to pass judgement until I know more, but regardless of how you feel about EviLore personal matters, the fact remains he has managed all this horribly.

There are so many ways he could have handled this better, but instead he mass bans anyone who brings it up, puts the mods in a position where they either have to back him or leave, closed the entire site because he could no longer keep control (despite the fact he has so many tools as admin available to him), then instead of recognising things could have been handled better, blames the whole of OT.

I'm not even going to begin commenting on how abhorrent it is to attack a person credibility by either making up or outing a persons mental disability.

This event has just proves how this site is not being treated like a community or even a business. This place is being treated like a fiefdom with a toddler in charge.

I've banned maybe 10 people in the last week. Been a little busy, y'know?

 

[jono51]

People used social media to implicate Clinton using a pizza joint for her child prostitution ring, and people bought it.

What does this have to do with Clinton Cash and what does it have to do with Burnie being the better candidate? This is about as relevant as me bringing up Monica Lewinsky in regards to Hillary.

And why would you arbitrarily consider that? He was no less a 70 year old career politician than his opponent. They had the same starting point, it's just the one that won did more with her starting point than Bernie ever did.

You're delusional if you that they had the same starting point. Burnie was just another senator, Hillary has been at the very top of politics for 20 years.

 

[Rest]

What does this have to do with Clinton Cash and what does it have to do with Burnie being the better candidate? This is about as relevant as me bringing up Monica Lewinsky in regards to Hillary.


You're delusional if you that they had the same starting point. Burnie was just another senator, Hillary has been at the very top of politics for 20 years.

Just a quick question: Why do you keep calling him Burnie? That it's been pointed out and you keep doing it is starting to get to me.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

Did you really just blame him for not moderating the entire site. Every thread every board..by himself..after every other mod burnt out? Thats deep.

I've banned maybe 10 people in the last week. Been a little busy, y'know?

As admin you have a multitude of tools for controlling this place. You can setup tools that lock threads that use certain words, you can use the same tools to ban people who use certain words.

Instead you shut the whole site down. Why didn't you do that or call in any friends to help moderate the site for a short amount of time?

Alternatively you could have locked all but one thread about this and that would have kettled the issue.

 

[Temp_User]

I've banned maybe 10 people in the last week. Been a little busy, y'know?

In behalf of former (and new) NeoGAF members, i have to ask this very important question:

Spoiler

How were you able to escape from that scientology sex cult after they drugged you?

 

[Ombra]

As admin you have a multitude of tools for controlling this place. You can setup tools that lock threads that use certain words, you can use the same tools to ban people who use certain words.

Instead you shut the whole site down. Why didn't you do that or call in any friends to help moderate the site for a short amount of time?

Alternatively you could have locked all but one thread about this and that would have kettled the issue.

How is it you come up with an even worse idea than what he ended up having to do?

Honestly the joy of seeing this site open again after the alt right celebrated the end of it was radiant. I warned as many as I could that it woulf be back..and they don't have much to say now. For that alone I ain't even mad about losing my main every type of news under the sun source for a while.

 

[Shambalakan]

It happened so fast!
I don't know much about moderators, but I think some people wanted to make a new place before this, but they were waiting for a situation and finally found it.

 

[Ombra]

It happened so fast!
I don't know much about moderators, but I think some people wanted to make a new place before this, but they were waiting for a situation and finally found it.

You basically posted my post in simpler terms. Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was fast.

 

[PhantomZhu]

It happened so fast!
I don't know much about moderators, but I think some people wanted to make a new place before this, but they were waiting for a situation and finally found it.

The same mods that banned people that even slightly disagreed with them?

 

[jono51]

Just a quick question: Why do you keep calling him Burnie? That it's been pointed out and you keep doing it is starting to get to me.

Thats what we call him is Boston. Burnie. Feel the bern.

 

[Temp_User]

The same mods that banned people that even slightly disagreed with them?

I think he is referring to the former NeoGAF mods who have zero tolerance for racism, misogyny, shitposting and are smart enough to recognize alt-right dog whistles.

Those types of mods are rare and is shockingly a huge positive asset in increasing the quantity and quality of users to your internet forum. Just ask Evilore!

 

[Zato]

It moved very fast. A random post, the mods all giving up and jumping ship en masse and suddenly we have ex-members joining with said mods to create a new oasis.

No need for a judge and jury, just a passable excuse to start something new.

Hey, you seem new here and maybe you aren't aware of previous issues surrounding the owner.

Those former acts along with the new allegation and the reaction and handling of said allegation is what caused people to leave.

Hey the admins and mods know EL better than you do and been here much longer, their decisions informed by what they knew and what happened.


So what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Royal_Flush]

The shower incident was not the reason, merely the catalyst. The handling of the situation shows that evilore thinks he owns the community and not just the infrastructure. He does not respect the GAF userbase or even his mods. He showed that he is willing to shut everything down just because he feels like it. In the past he has banned users for simply disagreeing with him and reversed decisions his mod team agreed on.

People just decided they didn't want to play this game any longer and went elsewhere.

 

[PhantomZhu]

I think he is referring to the former NeoGAF mods who have zero tolerance for racism, misogyny, shitposting and are smart enough to recognize alt-right dog whistles.

Those types of mods are rare and is shockingly a huge positive asset in increasing the quantity and quality of users to your internet forum. Just ask Evilore!

There should a zero tolerance to those things, but frankly I dont frequent enough to get a good grasp of the kind of mods Gaf has had, can only regurgitate what I've heard on the matter these past few days.

 

[TTOOLL]

Because people who don't leave their bedrooms tend to be white knights on the internet and pose as superior all the time. They have no connection with real life events it seems. Also, they are hypocrites.

 

[Vagabundo]

I quit counting after 5.

That’s a hot take but unfortunately an incorrect one.

Wow 5. Dear God. ResetEra will be a cesspit...

 

[Vagabundo]

If it was dying on the vine you would be posting there instead of here shitting the place up with your moral superiority.

Aww does all these facts anf truths make you unconfrtable?

I've no problem with people staying here, but I do with people making excuses or trying to shift it all to the former Mods and community. One person to blame for all this and no one else.

Because people who don't leave their bedrooms tend to be white knights on the internet and pose as superior all the time. They have no connection with real life events it seems. Also, they are hypocrites.

Wait, who's is this directed at? The apologists?

 

[gaiadyne]

I see no jurors here

Plenty of juniors though

 

[captainraincoat]

People forgot the human element
Im sure Evilore did not want his personal life aired to the general public nor should he have answer to anyone who accuses him of something on an internet forum...this is a gaming forum and a pretty popular one which unfortunately puts him as a target for someone wanting to take him down a peg or two .

What happened in his personal life should not be up to an internet forum to sit here and debate and throw around accusations and act like children which is unfortunately what has happened.


Get on with the gaming talk.....embrace that there is another gaming forum that might have a bit of a rivalry and remember the one important fact...there is someone at the end of their computer taking time out of their life to read what you say....make it worth it

 

[Septimius]

EviLore said in his statement that "it's a process". I hope we can see even a hint of a process ongoing for the "wait for all the facts"-camp.

 

[Dark_castle]

I agree that Tyler handled the aftermath extremely poorly, but this a community that’s been going for nigh on two decades. It sucks to see it go down.

The community didn't go down. It just went elsewhere.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

I agree that Tyler handled the aftermath extremely poorly, but this a community that’s been going for nigh on two decades. It sucks to see it go down.

It's unfortunate he hasnt given a genuine apology either for his awful explanation to his mods to explaining his behavior. Also for his past posts and bizzare behavior. Real talk.

I think the talisman of moral standards left and went to the othet forum. This place feels different...

 

[Vagabundo]

EviLore said in his statement that "it's a process". I hope we can see even a hint of a process ongoing for the "wait for all the facts"-camp.

:/

 

[GarthVaderUK]

The community didn't go down. It just went elsewhere.

Yup, the community lives, it just resides at a different URL now.

 

[teeny]

What Evilore did or didn't do is irrelevant. What did NeoGAF in is the fact the mods vacated because of the situation they were being forced to deal with; the fact that Evilore was willing to shut down the community without a moment's notice; the fact that communities became fractured and frightened that their place of residence wasn't permanent any more.

I reasoned that GAF is not Evilore and that, despite some behaviour from him that frankly disgusts me, I would continue to post here because of the community. That community has left for pastures new for the aforementioned reasons and, therefore, so do I. I'm not "convicting" him. I have an opinion of him sure, but the simple fact is he lost his grip when it was apparent he was willing to hold the communities here to ransom.

 

[OuterLimits]

This is how social media works.

Pander to a crowd's emotions with a lie, watch it burn. America elected a shitty president that way.

Everyone judged Clinton believing in social media lies, and now they're paying the consequences.

Clinton wasn't some beloved political figure that was undone by social media. Fact is, many disliked her for years. It's not like southern red states were planning to vote for her until they saw some fake post about her on Facebook.

The biggest mistake was Hillary ignored the Rust Belt States.(until the very end when they likely realised things were indeed precarious there) Apparently even Bill warned her that she needed to stop ignoring that area and that it wasn't a lock.

 

[fireflame]

I've banned maybe 10 people in the last week. Been a little busy, y'know?

Other than the current incident, are there things that you would change if you had a time machine? Among common problems quoted, there is the fact a number of developers or people in the industry felt antagonized and that too much political stuff was being mixed with video games.Cliff Blezinski comes to mind, but there were other devs.

 

[dyergram]

I think the mass exodus will end up being a good thing. Political and social discussion had become completely one sided here god only knows what resetera will end up like when neogaf is t progressive enough for you.

 

[hodgy100]

Because the issue is as much about how the situation was handled as it was the original allegations.

 

[The Hermit]

Seriously, I bet he's innocent. Someone give this man a glove to try on.

Lol

Inocent or not, the whole ordeal is more complex than that.

 

[hodgy100]

This is kind of BS, the mass exodus started as soon as the allegations were brought up

Thats not true the allegations started circulating mid last week. People were asking questions and discussion about it was heavily censored, posts and threads deleted essentially trying to sweep the allegations under the rug. Then things really started to kick off on Friday / Saturday when people had been contacting mods about the situation and a load of mods had decided they had had enough and left meaning there was a diminished mod presence on the forum, shit hit the fan on the forum now there weren't as many people to suppress the allegations.

 

[tearsofash]

I hate to say this, but it's less about "evidence" and more about actually believing women. That's the whole point of #metoo. That said, it is always difficult to comment on alleged sexual accusations without it going to court.

I have been sexually assaulted three times, and I never spoke up because I thought nobody would believe me. If I spoke out against the other people, I'm sure they'd feel like they were being witch-hunted or something, but it's still within my right to discuss what happened and how I felt like it violated my consent or constituted as harassment/assault.

Like usual, it is always "he said she said," and people who are convicting Evilore are the very least believing the women who say #metoo.

Personally, I believe her. I also don't think it's my place to play judge/jury/executioner with this. I would much prefer Evilore apologize, try to make things right, and move on. It's also kind of like, none of my business. I just hope that everyone is treated fairly, heard, and given a chance to hear both sides of the event. I don't like the accusations, but people in America are innocent until proven guilty.

The whole point of this is to believe the women who say #metoo. I choose to believe the woman, but I've learned enough in my freedom of speech/law classes to know to just say "alleged" until proven in court.

 

[LoNe_eXiLe]

Hey, thanks for all that great evidence and those elucidating facts. You really made me think that maybe all this is warranted.

It is warranted. You're just in denial.

 

[msv]

How dramatic. Convicted? Convicted how?

 

[Thaedolus]

Honestly, it was the response more than anything. With a little bit of uhh, polish, it could've ended up a he-said she-said situation. "Admit nothing, deny everything, and make counter accusations" might be what a lawyer tells you to do, but when you're the apparent head of a community dealing with the recent wave of women speaking up about sexual assault, a little bit more grace or tact would be advisable. I think the mod team may have mass resigned over that as much as the veracity of the claims.

As for what's right to do about it: I dunno. The community will probably continue on. But a large chunk of its best members have moved on, so how it all shakes out will be interesting. Most the community threads I frequented seem to have migrated ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Velcro Fly]

Last post in the state of NeoGAF thread really just rubbed me the wrong way. I was open to staying but that post just implied an us versus them mentality and I really just don't care for it.

 

[Symphonia]

Last post in the state of NeoGAF thread really just rubbed me the wrong way. I was open to staying but that post just implied an us versus them mentality and I really just don't care for it.

I read it more as Evilore not really caring if people want to leave.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

I read it more as Evilore not really caring if people want to leave.

Yeah he really doesn’t care about the site traffic and thousands of users diminishing.

He’s so nonchalant. Such a badass

 

[PanicFreak]

People get banned just for mentioning the name. Google "where are NeoGAF users going."

They've taken GAF's elitism to heart, it's invite only. There are probably better alternatives.

Nah, it’s going open registration really soon.

The the real answer is that Evilore has always been a self-important douche. People are more than happy to take him down a notch (or 10 million).

 

[ape2man]

Yeah and who are you people? Certainly not the best of us.

Years of posting on a message board and making a name for yourself. Are you proud of what you represent, or so. Invested that you ignore right and wrong?

And I recognize maybe three of them. Gaf will never recover from this as long as the owner continues to run it. Nothing against him, we live in a witch hunting society, but industry insiders no longer will be a part of this. It is sad to see but the accusations were enough to kill this place. And if there was not a history of posts defending such behavior, or acting as if it did not exist....

It is done. Move on or be associated with the problem.

You really want people to leave for that other forum. In your eyes everyone is bad as long as they are on this forum. Verry black and white man.

EviLore defence force?

Burn this shit hole forum to the ground

Ok, bye

 

[OCD Guy]

Because it's easy to portray yourself as "perfect" online when you're guarded by anonymity.

I'd bet my life on it that some people posting have some skeletons in their closet they'd hate people to find out. The difference is no one gives a shit about them, I mean because they're not well known.

When you're in the public eye more people pay attention to you.

Ultimately no one on here knows what happened, they're purely basing his guilt on his past, I personally believe that past offences aren't necessarily a guarantee of future offences.

Besides there are 3 sides to this story, Evilore's, the accuser, and the truth.

The only thing that astounds me is why someone who was sexually harassed and left traumatised would VOLUNTARILY put herself near that person AFTER the event, let alone have sex and date them.

Ok she forgave him, couldn't have been that traumatised then. Also the accusers own statement explicitly stated that when she said no he walked out of the shower. He didn't persist, or try touching her. It would have been a completely scenario had he refused and then got forceful in my opinion.

It just sounds like a bitter breakup and she's got her own back to me.....

And no I'm not condoning sexual harrassment, or saying it's acceptable to walk into a shower naked without someone's consent. But given the circumstances, I don't think he randomly walked into the shower naked. She was in an open relationship and spending the night in a hotel with another man, I bet it wasn't separate beds in that hotel room either....

 

[kess]

Last post in the state of NeoGAF thread really just rubbed me the wrong way. I was open to staying but that post just implied an us versus them mentality and I really just don't care for it.

Agree. Numble, Fine Ham Abounds, and Albatross had great fucking posts and I don't think even a word of what they said was considered.

See ya around.

 

[Crackbone]

Besides there are 3 sides to this story, Evilore's, the accuser, and the truth.

The only thing that astounds me is why someone who was sexually harassed and left traumatised would VOLUNTARILY put herself near that person AFTER the event, let alone have sex and date them.

This is my entire problem with this. Could someone who was sexually assaulted agree to a consensual relationship with someone who assaulted them? Sure. Common place? Nah.

It’s not about not believing victims. It’s about using some fucking common sense in this case.

Imo, the entire subsect that left wanted a more of an echo chamber than they had here and this provides a catalyst to do what was going to ultimately happen anyway.

 

[ManDudeChild]

I'm sticking around because of continuity, and the other community hasn't opened its registration yet. Mostly the registration part. Shame, as I've been here a good 15 years if I included lurking time.

This is my entire problem with this. Could someone who was sexually assaulted agree to a consensual relationship with someone who assaulted them? Sure. Common place? Nah.

Could someone that thinks sexual objectification is great and banning people for bringing up past indescretions be the actions of someone that would never fuck up big time like this? Do a bit of looking around, it isn't just a he said, she said. It's a he said, she said situation with past issues making the she said seem plausible enough that for some its time to jump ship.