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[Cth]

I wonder how much traffic Rich Johnston is getting from Secret Empire

Did he and Marvel work out some kind of deal

Back during the Bill Jemas days, they used to do that sort of thing all the time.

They've since backed off of that idea, but it's not out of the question.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

So Fox is deffo trying to kill the xmen movie franchise, right?

Or make sure we are well fed.

 

[caliph95]

I have just read Lois and Clark after finishing Flashpoint and The Darkseid War.

I really enjoyed it, but there are some questions that I started with and it wasn't answered thourgh the reading:

1- This Clark from the black suit, came from which universe?

2- Is the universe he is now the same from Darkseid War? Is it Earth-1?

3- That Anti-Monitor fight that was shown, was that from another Crisis before The Darkseid War?

4- Lois and Clark story happened after Flashpoint?

Lois and clark are survivors of the flash point reboot that ended up in the new 52 verse

Which anti monitor fight again remind me

 

[echoshifting]

I'm guessing what he's referring to is that It wasn't brainwashing, but Steve isn't in his right mind.

Welllll...

Spoiler

now it's kinda looking like he is, right? That's one of the big ones that has folks so riled. You think that's gonna turn out to be a red herring?

 

[caliph95]

Welllll...

Spoiler

now it's kinda looking like he is, right? That's one of the big ones that has folks so riled. You think that's gonna turn out to be a red herring?

Spoiler

Probably me being optimistic i figured it's more cosmic cube shenanigans

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Lois and clark are survivors of the flash point reboot that ended up in the new 52 verse

Which anti monitor fight again remind me

This one:

And if he was under the same universe during Darkseid War, why didn't he interfere?

 

[tim1138]

This one:


And if he was under the same universe during Darkseid War, why didn't he interfere?

That's from Crisis on Infinite Earths

 

[LordOfLore]

Capullo's video.

 

[Green Ninja]

This beginning? Definitely

I've been reading the trade volumes of this and it is seriously without exaggeration one of the best comics series I've ever read

 

[Sandfox]

I wonder what Larraz's new book is. It's either going to be a mini or a Legacy ongoing. Brevoort said "he's working on something for the future that should prove pretty exciting to people".

Welllll...

Spoiler

now it's kinda looking like he is, right? That's one of the big ones that has folks so riled. You think that's gonna turn out to be a red herring?

Spoiler

That what I think, but I'm just waiting to see how it turns out. Whitley actually tweeted that it's just what Steve believes a few days ago and now we have Spencer saying he's not culpable.

 

[geomon]

That's from Crisis on Infinite Earths

Why is Paralax Hal there?

 

[LordOfLore]

I've been reading the trade volumes of this and it is seriously without exaggeration one of the best comics series I've ever read

Read the War Crimes one-shot from last year by Ostrander. Was really good considering how long it has been.

 

[Green Ninja]

Marvel question: Why are they acting like its a huge mystery who the new "ultimate" thor is? From the cover isn't it very obviously odin?

Read the War Crimes one-shot from last year by Ostrander. Was really good considering how long it has been.

I actually have that but haven't had a chance to read it yet. Will definitely put it at the top of the pile!

Why is Paralax Hal there?

He, along with Post-Crisis Superman and 70s Supergirl went back in time to change the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths during the miniseries Convergence. Which was a lame attempt at appeasing old fans and keeping new 52 and just saying everything is canon but happening on different earths.

 

[tim1138]

I've been reading the trade volumes of this and it is seriously without exaggeration one of the best comics series I've ever read

Yes, yes it is

Why is Paralax Hal there?

Fuck if I know. Did they redo CoIE during Convergence?

Maybe it isn't Crisis then, to be honest I just kind of glanced at the page and saw Kara and Flash.

 

[echoshifting]

Spoiler

That what I think, but I'm just waiting to see how it turns out. Whitley actually tweeted that it's just what Steve believes a few days ago and now we have Spencer saying he's not culpable.

Interesting...those are good points

Spoiler

It's true that our information there is somewhat unreliable

 

[Kssio_Aug]

That's from Crisis on Infinite Earths

So, the Universe Clark is living now is Earth-1?
And I guess that's the same universe as the one from Darkseid War. Why didn't he interfere in that event? (he actually never shown up there)

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Fuck if I know. Did they redo CoIE during Convergence?

Maybe it isn't Crisis then, to be honest I just kind of glanced at the page and saw Kara and Flash.

At a page previous the one I printed, there's these words:
"Since we had no home to return to, Brainiac -- a level of Brainiac I never even knew existed -- offered to send us to any universe we wanted. We couldn't go wight away. Not when there were others -- an infinite number of them, that needed us first. Brainiac sent us back to the first Crisis in order to prevent the collapse of the multiverse."

 

[caliph95]

At a page previous the one I printed, there's these words:
"Since we had no home to return to, Brainiac -- a level of Brainiac I never even knew existed -- offered to send us to any universe we wanted. We couldn't go wight away. Not when there were others -- an infinite number of them, that needed us first. Brainiac sent us back to the first Crisis in order to prevent the collapse of the multiverse."

Comic Books

 

[MHWilliams]

oh hell yeah that's what's gonna save Marvel

more of the same

bitch you never learn it's time for you to crash and burn

To build up newer talent, Spider-man will sale regardless of the writer. Use it to prop up a new talent like DC did by putting Snyder and King on the flagship Batman title.

It's their best-selling title.

They put Zdarsky on a second book for a reason.

Or did everyone forget that?

Hydra's origin according to Marvel's Wiki:

The man most responsible for the creation of Hydra was Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, the Prussian aristocrat who served as wing commander of Nazi Germany's infamous Death's Head Squadron, and later as leader of its Blitzkrieg Squad of commandos. Infuriated by Strucker's defeats by American commando Sgt. Nicholas Fury, and by Strucker's refusal to execute the entire population of a French village, Adolf Hitler ordered the Gestapo to find and assassinate him. Strucker escaped Germany with the help of some of its men, and more importantly, with that of the Third Reich's second most powerful leader, the Red Skull. The Skull eventually intended to challenge Hitler himself, and assigned Strucker to build a power base for him in the Far East. The embittered Strucker had no intention of serving anyone but himself, however, and severed ties with the Skull on becoming the Supreme Hydra.

More on Marvel.com: https://marvel.com/universe/Hydra#ixzz4f5o0KsE4

So yes, the main faction started out as part of the Nazis and splintered off.

Before the evolution of mankind, a cabal of immortal hooded reptoids came to Earth, planning to start a legacy of evil.[3] Millions of years later, they corrupted an Asian secret society of geniuses known as the Brotherhood of the Spear, which resulted in that group being called "the Beast" by the Brotherhood of the Shield.[4] The corrupted Brotherhood of the Spear spread out, ingraining itself like a multi-headed serpent into all facets of human society, from science to magic and politics. As time wore on, the organization's name changed and it included the Cathari sect as well as the Thule Society.[5] The Nazi sub group, funded by the Thule Society, was brought into the main Hydra fold after the end of World War II.[6]

One of the Nazi members, Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, quickly seized control of the Hydra organization and restructured it to be dedicated to world domination through terrorist and subversive activities on various fronts, resulting in a neo-fascist New World Order. To this end, Baron Strucker used his personal fortune, based on his recovered hoard of Nazi plunder from World War II, and funds established by the original leaders of the Japanese secret society that became part of the old Hydra.[6] However, after Strucker's first death, Hydra broke into factions (such as AIM, Secret Empire, Them, etc.) that each adopted its own reorganized modus operandi.[6] Eventually, this fragmentation would lead to a Hydra civil war, even after Strucker's resurrection.

I assume Marvel is trying to futz around and lean on the Hickman SHIELD origin of Hydra, which is a weird mystical society based on some Cthulhu-esque shit.

Shield grandmaster Isaac Newton birthed Hydra from the Spear, using the hidden arts of the Deviants of the city of Ashomia (who would become the source and the birthplace of Hydra) and the visions of the Nostradamus, who would be known as the Catalyst, while Newton became the Father.

Given this all literally appeared in the nonsense opening of Secret Empire #0, yeah, I'd guess that's where they're coming from. Red Skull/Strucker Hydra = clear Nazis. The Father Hydra = Supreme Order and Cthulhu shit

 

[tim1138]

So, the Universe Clark is living now is Earth-1?
And I guess that's the same universe as the one from Darkseid War. Why didn't he interfere in that event? (he actually never shown up there)

I didn't read the Lois and Clark series, so I honestly don't know. I'd guess some generic oath not to interfere since the world already had a Superman.

At a page previous the one I printed, there's these words:
"Since we had no home to return to, Brainiac -- a level of Brainiac I never even knew existed -- offered to send us to any universe we wanted. We couldn't go wight away. Not when there were others -- an infinite number of them, that needed us first. Brainiac sent us back to the first Crisis in order to prevent the collapse of the multiverse."

Ah yeah, they must have worked CoIE into Convergence then. I wouldn't get too hung up on it all though, recent revelations in Superman make it all a bit of a moot point.

 

[echoshifting]

Why is Sharon Carter always drawn so horribly

Either she doesn't look middle-aged at all or she looks like Clayface, depending on the artist

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Why is Sharon Carter always drawn so horribly

Either she doesn't look middle-aged at all or she looks like Clayface, depending on the artist

 

[Cth]

I know it's cliche and all, but I really wish this whole Secret Empire stuff was some Jacob's Ladder like death throes vision thing.

Just Cap lying there dying as combat medics try to revive him, with someone taking the costume so there'd always be a Captain America for the public. With Steve being buried in the Unknown Soldier's tomb.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Why is Sharon Carter always drawn so horribly

Either she doesn't look middle-aged at all or she looks like Clayface, depending on the artist

Yeah, there were a couple of times were she looked very old and not middle-aged.

 

[The Silver]

Why is everyone acting surprised by that Secret Empire spoiler, we already knew that was happening from the vision after CW2

 

[my name is ed]

Why is Sharon Carter always drawn so horribly

Either she doesn't look middle-aged at all or she looks like Clayface, depending on the artist

comic artists in general are bad at drawing women they dont want to fuck

 

[caliph95]

comic artists in general are bad at drawing women they dont want to fuck

Well that just.......................
not completely false
they are good are the other thing though

 

[tim1138]

comic artists in general are bad at drawing women they dont want to fuck

So that's why that Wonder Woman commission I got from you is so good...

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Why is everyone acting surprised by that Secret Empire spoiler, we already knew that was happening from the vision after CW2

Its a topic that provokens emotions and its easy to forgot stuff like this.

Also, it was part of Civil War II

 

[Vic_Viper]

Marvel question: Why are they acting like its a huge mystery who the new "ultimate" thor is? From the cover isn't it very obviously odin

Which cover is this referring too? The only one I saw had Jane Foster and OG Thor.

Started reading Aaron's Thor from the beginning last night. Never was a big Thor fan, but Aaron does such a good job that I can't believe I didn't check it out before.


How is Riverdale btw?

 

[TetraxShards]

Which cover is this referring too? The only one I saw had Jane Foster and OG Thor.

That's the Generations cover you're thinking of.

He means this:

I'm going to be that guy and hope that it's Eric Masterson. If Ben Reilly can come back, so can he.

I also enjoy that he's called the War Thor. Marvel is just chock full of Doctor Who fans.

 

[The Silver]

Its a topic that provokens emotions and its easy to forgot stuff like this.

Also, it was part of Civil War II

i didn't remember if it was part of it or that Cap epilogue book or both

 

[MHWilliams]

Which cover is this referring too? The only one I saw had Jane Foster and OG Thor.

Mighty Thor #20. Marvel's June 2017 solicits.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

i didn't remember if it was part of it or that Cap epilogue book or both

No, I meant it in the "CW II is so forgettable way, so thats why nobody remembers"
Just a joke

 

[Zombine]

Imagine if we find out that the new Thor is old Jean Grey?

 

[caliph95]

No, I meant it in the "CW II is so forgettable way, so thats why nobody remembers"
Just a joke

Wasn't the reveal from a spoiler leak before the book was released

Imagine if we find out that the new Thor is old Jean Grey?

I want to see the outrage even if i don't like it

 

[mreddie]

People think the heads mean we are getting a new Human Torch and Thing book.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Wasn't the reveal from a spoiler leak before the book was released

What do you mean? The Inhumans/Mutant-Camps?

I just tool a look and it was not in the Mainbook, it was in The Oath One Shot Epilogue

 

[BKatastrophe]

Fuck if I know. Did they redo CoIE during Convergence?

It was literally how they ended it

I assume Marvel is trying to futz around and lean on the Hickman SHIELD origin of Hydra, which is a weird mystical society based on some Cthulhu-esque shit.

Based on the fact that Eliza straight up says she ran with The Many-Angled Ones, and showed some kind of mystical powers, I'm gonna go with yes.

 

[caliph95]

What do you mean? The Inhumans/Mutant-Camps?

I just tool a look and it was not in the Mainbook, it was in The Oath One Shot Epilogue

Thought we were talking about the whole real reality shit

 

[Sandfox]

People think the heads mean we are getting a new Human Torch and Thing book.

I expect both of those to represent team books, but we'll see which.

 

[The Silver]

Imagine if we find out that the new Thor is old Jean Grey?

Sounds like some horrible nightmare from the Ultimate universe.

 

[MHWilliams]

It was literally how they ended it

Based on the fact that Eliza straight up says she ran with The Many-Angled Ones, and showed some kind of mystical powers, I'm gonna go with yes.

Then I'm unsure why folks are professing skepticism at "Hydra aren't completely Nazis".

 

[Messi]

That's the Generations cover you're thinking of.

He means this:


I'm going to be that guy and hope that it's Eric Masterson. If Ben Reilly can come back, so can he.

Roz Solomon

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Then I'm unsure why folks are professing skepticism at "Hydra aren't completely Nazis".

Dude, you know why

 

[The Silver]

Cap's Hydra are still just as bad as Nazis and I don't see the story trying to say they aren't, it's only Cap's evil ass trying to justify himself like any villain would. It's technically correct to say Cap's Hydra aren't the actual Nazi organization or birthed from them like Red Skull's is but they aren't morally any better.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Omggg I love the Alarm Cat strips at the beginning of Shutter #8

There's a two page section with 4 or 5, each in the style of a different strip, one like Peanuts, Calvin and Hobbs etc

 

[MHWilliams]

Cap's Hydra are still just as bad as Nazis and I don't see the story trying to say they aren't, it's only Cap's evil ass trying to justify himself like any villain would. It's technically correct to say Cap's Hydra aren't the actual Nazi organization or birthed from them like Red Skull's is but they aren't morally any better.

I mean, of course not. They're villains worshipping the return of ancient demons from a lost dimension in the promise for eternal life and order.

The only reason Marvel is falling back to there is because it's technically correct and they're trying to protect themselves from the charges of anti-semitism. I'm still surprised they didn't see the implications.

 

[caliph95]

It's not like Hydra were ever better besides not being racists like half of the time when Red Skull and friends aren't involved

 

[Ross61]

This one:


And if he was under the same universe during Darkseid War, why didn't he interfere?

There was already a Superman and he was trying to keep a low profile.