Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Checkerboard 4K or performance.. yes.
MLB The Show 17 has these as well. Three actually. Native 4K, 1440p with performance boost, or 1080p with performance boost.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Checkerboard 4K or performance.. yes.
MLB The Show 17 has these as well. Three actually. Native 4K, 1440p with performance boost, or 1080p with performance boost.
Chobel
Member
No, you're salty because you know DF said nothing particularly wrong or misleading in these articles but you just had to discredit them, so you're using something that happened years ago instead of judging the current information we have now.
Proelite
Member
The amount of customization that went into Scorpio for a supposedly mid-gen refresh is a good sign that consoles, instead of becoming more PC-like like people predict, can actually differentiate themselves from PCs. I would imagine for PS5 and Next Xbox, both company will do more stuff to circumvent the wall that we're hitting when it comes to Moore's law.
Secondly, the high clock on the Scorpio GPU is a good indicator that console manufacturers have enough faith in their design and testing pipeline to be less conservative than they were in the ps4 / xb1 generation when it comes to thermals. They were burned by 360 / ps3 failure rates, and it seems like they've gained by their confidence back. It'll might be possible that boost clock / turbo mode might become a thing like they are on desktop GPUs.
Secondly, the high clock on the Scorpio GPU is a good indicator that console manufacturers have enough faith in their design and testing pipeline to be less conservative than they were in the ps4 / xb1 generation when it comes to thermals. They were burned by 360 / ps3 failure rates, and it seems like they've gained by their confidence back. It'll might be possible that boost clock / turbo mode might become a thing like they are on desktop GPUs.
Sorry GAF, but like the Pro, this doesn't do much for me as a gamer, specs wise. Its just a slighlly beefier PS4 Pro which would probably retain at $499.99 unless MS think it will sell like hotcakes at 399.99 and they take a loss. I honestly don't see how any casual will buy this like the Pro, if it can do almoat everything like vanilla PS4 and Xbox One. Guess we'll see what E3 has in store.
Kssio_Aug
Member
The most anticipated XB1 title was Quantum Break though! It was 15th.
Ploid 3.0
Member
I think DF will clear stuff up, they may be mainly comparing the port of Forza PC to the demo or slice of the Scorpio Forza. I doubt they are saying that the system is challenging 1070's or 1080's actual power. Ports can be bad, which is where DF gets its audience from, to determine and tell their viewers which version is the better experience. Also as I said before, Microsoft could have tailor made this demo to make sure it was flawless for this big reveal of their new system. This is not a good test situation. That will come later, with more than one uneven test environment.
It beat Gears of War 4 though lol.
rokkerkory
Member
Scorpio is meant for hardcore anyways. It's not support to target casuals.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
If I could pre-order this right now I would.
It's explains the performance of Scorpio compared to the pc on the Forza demo. The results from that are insane
Kssio_Aug
Member
That's true.
Color me surprise though... i wasn't aware it was voted that much neither. At every thread people were saying it was looking disappointing, specially after that presentation (irc at E3) of a boss section.
I always thought the game was looking pretty awesome. As a fan of Bayonetta and Devil May Cry, and also someone that enjoys a good coop I was looking forward to it. But I was under the impression most people wasn't really that excited.
Steverulez
Member
I am excited for Scorpio because my plan is to upgrade my computer and, after Scorpio is on sale, I might buy a cheap-ass preowned xbox one for its few exclusives (or windows 10 exclusives like Gears of War).
In my opinion, games are more important than raw power. I could not justify a $499/399 purchase for this new version when I already have a decent PC (with lots of exclusives, like one of my favourites games: Shadowrun Dragonfall) and PS4.
They might change my perception this E3, but I need games, no empty teasers and cancelled projects.
In my opinion, games are more important than raw power. I could not justify a $499/399 purchase for this new version when I already have a decent PC (with lots of exclusives, like one of my favourites games: Shadowrun Dragonfall) and PS4.
They might change my perception this E3, but I need games, no empty teasers and cancelled projects.
I don't see any mention or comparison to a 1070, am I missing something? Plus my 1070 runs Apex at 4K just fine.
Neither the Pro nor Scorpio are meant for meant for the casual audience.
I wouldn't class GAF as casual gamers hence the most about wishful thinking.
ronaldthump
Member
$599 is death
so $500 it should be.
so $500 it should be.
anothertech
Member
This type of post is more tiresome. Xbone fans trying to say this Kamiya directed game was sh*t and no one cares it was cancelled when the opposite was true and most of us were looking forward to it.
I believe $500 is too much already. In the UK for example that would be something like £550 and that's just PS3 kinds of criminal
Primethius
Banned
If the cooling system wasn't in place, I'd say this is an easy $399 prediction. I still think it's a $399 console because I refuse to believe that MS has gone so far out as to only chase a small group of enthusiasts (Xbox core plus a few others).
Seems crazy to me if this thing is above $399.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Naturally, MS expects the S to be the bigger seller for now, due to its mass market price - the S will still be there to appeal to the casual and more budget-concious crowds.
The Scorpio is not being aimed at the casual market, however. I think we can all agree that MS has suffered in mindshare with the enthusiast crowd with the launch of the One, and I think MS realises that bucking the trend of Xbox games always performing the worst is another step (among other initiatives) towards building some of that enthusiast mindshare again - it's not the complete solution of course, they'll need the games too, and as you say we'll see what E3 has in store.
Hockeymac18
Member
I see Quantum Break at 15. But I get the point.
I am still a bit sad about SB getting cancelled, but I understand many thought it looked rough, especially after its E3 showings (of which this voting happened before).
I wasn't beyond belief surprised it got cancelled (although I certainly didn't see it coming) - but do wish it hadn't been.
Son.Ralph.Funk
Member
I don't see this selling well. It will be held back by the requirement that all it's games also run on XBOX1. It will be really expensive (I'm guessing). Sony has the games the people want this generation.
They should have waited until 2018 or 2019, and released an even more powerful new system with no requirement that it's games run on XBOX1 as well.
They should have waited until 2018 or 2019, and released an even more powerful new system with no requirement that it's games run on XBOX1 as well.
NowhereFaded
Member
My guess is $399. Anything over is DOA imo. Something has to intise the casuals to buy. If only the hardcore purchase Scorpio, I forsee trouble.
anothertech
Member
Dude! gotta change that avatar!
No patronizing meant at all, but I definitely recall people heavily criticizing Scalebound. From its main character, to the performance, when it was still an early build. I was one of the people really looking forward to it, just like you. It was unique and really cool looking.
So been catching up on the Scorpio spec dump and seems it is equipped with some advanced tech although I'm not a tech head so I don't fully understand the finer details. My question is would either of other players - Nintendo or Sony been able to pull off Scorpio? Is the main reason Scorpio has its "not-seen-in-a-home-console-before" tech purely down to Microsoft being "Microsoft"?
nogoodnamesleft
Banned
I'm not getting one but people don't really understand do they. This is for the hardcore. Mainstream will almost always buy the cheaper alternative.
I think most people had skepticism about the game but no one expected or wanted to it get freaking canceled. It's a god damn Kamiya game
No chance! I definitely wish it was, but considering everything i believe it will be between £450-500.
The switch is $299 and in the UK it retails for £280
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
£400 tops or bust. £450-£500 is just laughable, it will bomb hard anywhere near £500.
transformer
Member
They ran it on 1060, 1070, and 1080. 1080 and 1070 were pretty much fine. 1070 only dropped a few frames in very taxing situations.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
On the contrary, I think the big news of the day is that it's apparently performing better than we'd expected - their example was Forza, ported in 2 days without Scorpio optimisation, but running at 4K native 60fps with the addition of 4K assets, but only reaching 66% GPU utilisation in a stress test with maximum vehicles on screen and weather effects, therefore demonstrating that there is room for further enhancements beyond just a 4K version of the original game. When given the equivalent of PC Ultra settings, it still didn't max out the GPU - this bodes well!
The UK price comes with VAT added in, which will increase it to about £480, and this is line with other recent releases such as the Switch.
I'd be really interested if they could go more in depth with their test
A 1070 doesn't drop frames under 60 at 4k even at max settings with 8x MSAA on Apex
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Yes, on it!
Officially honored avatar bet. Can't stand looking at that face lol. My coolness factor went down like 10 notches with this haha.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Man, I really hope the £ recovers before this thing launches or it's going to hurt! Damn Brexit
Funny cause MS has said Scorpio is targeted at the enthusiast gamer.
As much as I want a Scorpio, this thing will cost an arm and a leg in the UK.
To top it off I am still not sold in the Jaguar CPU not bottlenecking the rest of the system and the biggest issue of all is that no games on Xbox entice me.
I hope MS has been working on their portfolio of games in secrecy or I may not bother
I could get used to this haha that face.
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That shit is vile and toxic imo. The way they try to downplay a legit established studio by saying that shit looked terrible to begin with.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Was it last E3 they demoed it with some awful boss fight? That's what turned me off it personally, though I hadn't paid it much attention before then. It was the same conference with the similarly terrible Final Fantasy demo, whenever that was...
anothertech
Member
No way man I love it. Also love how cool you were about the reveal. Very respectable, and took it on the chin like a champ
VR solutions coming ?
development environment / API (DX12 now has Shader Model 6.0) ?
Scorpio Engines and the cloud ?
price ?
All XB1 games will see some benefit when running on a Scorpio. (More stable framerate, better texture filtering, forced v-sync) However, patched games will get all that plus: much higher resolutions with optional downsampling for much better PQ even on 1080 displays, much higher framerates eg. 30 FPS -> 60 FPS, higher resolution assets, longer draw distances, etc.
Without patching, old games will "just work", and will often even run a little better than before. With a patch, whole new options will be available. So, yeah. If I'm gonna pay $400 for a Scorpio, I'm gonna "need" at least a few patches. The value proposition won't be as good in their absence.