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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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You should be banned, it is too soon, how can a human being be this nsensitive.
Dinky Dino
Member
Forza 6 isn't on PC. All it got was apex which was a tech demo which hasn't been touched in a bit. We have no idea how they handled their scorpio counterpart.
If you want a real comparison, you're going to need to give performance levels across a broad spectrum of games. Not just 1 title developed by microsoft given to df solely for this reveal where the full version isn't even available. Not saying it's impossible but you need to have the final hardware on hand vs a similar pc setup in that time for comparisons to be thrown around as grounded.
Not everyone is a PC gamer. That's what you're missing here.
People will buy Scorpio to play those games AND multiplats on the best console.
Chobel
Member
anothertech
Member
aww I liked the first one tho
PowerThroughLov
Member
In the end all of this CPU talk is meaningless. All Scorpio games must run on Xbox One, and therefore all game logic will be coded to a 1.6ghz jaguar. Scorpio can make games prettier, but not add logic and complexity.
Ok, the extra CPU isnt meaningless. It could be the difference in 60 vs 30fps any some fancy particle effects, but I mean its not making the game logic itself deeper.
Thats one of the reasons I really hate the concept of upgradeable consoles. You can make them prettier, but not add to the game logic.
Ok, the extra CPU isnt meaningless. It could be the difference in 60 vs 30fps any some fancy particle effects, but I mean its not making the game logic itself deeper.
Thats one of the reasons I really hate the concept of upgradeable consoles. You can make them prettier, but not add to the game logic.
transformer
Member
Bingo. The point is MS targeted running 900p and higher Xbox one games at 4K. The forza example was shown to prove this and the fact they had so much overhead available bodes very well for many games actually hitting 4K native.
It'll be all those you listed plus assets being largely more detailed as well. 16xAF with higher LOD models will make games look better.
If you go see the Forza Scorpio thread screenshot, the Scorpio is that. Pro would be the Xbox One screenshot just rendered at 4k or checkboard with some effects improved but assets being the same because of the same amount of ram and not too fast bandwidth.
But you can see some games just being the same because they don't push either consoles like the NBA Jam remake that's coming out. I can see that being 4K 60FPS on both due to it's simplicity of rendering
Pathfinder
Member
Prettier and increased performance is okay with me.
wesleyshark
Banned
Sony probably wished that somehow Richard could find all that secret sauce in their machines that he found in the xbone.
wesleyshark
Banned
Holiday 2017
anothertech
Member
So real talk - is there anyone that actually thinks there is a 'secret secret sauce' this time around? After the in depth we got today?
I mean, DF went through everything here. They customized everything from the Jaguar cores to the audio processors, I honestly don't see how they are sneaking anything more past this reveal tbh.
All we really have left to see is the price. I guess if they price it at $299 that could be some kind of secret sauce lol. And about as likely as unlimited cloud power in 2017.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I mean they would have if Sony also gave them the exclusive reveal on the specs, but Sony is stupid and decided to do a really bad event and reveal it themselves.
Ah Scalebound, the game everyone said looked like garbage until it got cancelled, then once it got cancelled it all of a sudden became xbox's only hope apparently, LOL SMH.
Chobel
Member
I don't like black backgrounds XD
Perhaps they saw secret sauce didn't work out for the original xbone.
get2sammyb
Member
I suppose that's one of the woes of being the first-mover. I'm sure they'd probably tackle that differently with the benefit of hindsight. Alas.
Chip N Chance
Member
You could argue that the "sauce" on the 360 was how well they implemented the achievements and online functionality into the system UI, which was something that hadn't been done before. What if the "sauce" on Scorpio is just on the software level. And the games of course. Your right, they showed all the sauce in the hardware, unless its great tools for developers to take advantage of said sauce.
Maxwell House
Member
What do you base this on? It's pretty silly to make a definitive statement like that when we haven't tested Scorpio vs that setup, especially since DF showed that Scorpio had no problem running Forza Apex at ultra, 4K resolution but 1070 did.
GhostTrick
Banned
DF showed none of that though. What we have here is Microsoft's own words followed by DF's own tests on a different game.
anothertech
Member
Also funny how anyone looking forward to one of the best looking exclusive new ip's in xbox upcoming library is suddenly patronized for having ultierior motives for posting about it. LOL SMH.
CMojicaAce
Member
Expecting $499. Would be surprised if it was $399 or lower at launch.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
It would be nice for Rockstar to let us know at least by E3 what they are doing with RDR2 for the Scorpio - as far as enhancements, etc.
It's the only reason I would buy one.
It's the only reason I would buy one.
You're missing Red Dead 2 this fall, which is more than enough for me. I plan on playing it on the most powerful console sitting on the shelf. It ain't coming to PC (yet)
I dunno, like adding up 32mb esram bandwidth to the rest of the system bandwidth, and the sudden doubling of esram speeds level kind of thing? Maybe?
He's 100% correct that no numeric representation of anything is an adequate description. Megapixels aren't a true measure of the quality of a camera. Number of stars or a percentage score are a poor substitute for a full review of a movie or a game. Dollar value doesn't tell you whether you'd enjoy living in a particular home. Likewise, computational throughput and bandwidth don't tell the full story about a game console.
Of course the implication is that beyond the numbers there's a story that favors the Scorpio, which is an age-old gambit to get your imagination working. In practice, the raw numbers can make a system look better or worse relative to its competition than a more complete assessment would indicate.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Shhh... don't tell 'em that!
Let's file that under hysteria.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Yep.
SneakersSO
Member
I'm salty cause DF gets to praise MS/Xbox without having to hype up 'secret sauce' nonsense this time around? I'm not sure how this applies to me.
ronaldthump
Member
the gameplay looked boring as fuck but the game looked amazing.
but the fact that it was a rare japanese title and exclusive and that they fucked platinum with the cancellation that really made news.
The DF videos were a lot of "MS said this, MS said that, MS said". Richard is coming across as a total shill; I guess it'd have to be as its exclusive access.
Man, the fact that they're pushing 4K so hard when most games don't even come close to 60fps is really depressing.
Not entirely unexpected, but still.
Microsoft are the only ones who have the console. Of course all the information is going to come from them, what did you expect?
Not entirely unexpected, but still.
Microsoft are the only ones who have the console. Of course all the information is going to come from them, what did you expect?
Papacheeks
Banned
How does one um...make the secret sauce? What's the base for the sauce?
FinaruDensetsu
Member
It's smart though. People (especially more casual gamers) notice all the flashy graphics more than framerate.
RowdyReverb
Member
Is game logic that big of an issue in modern games? Besides, it's not like games can't have simple CPU-driven improvements for Scorpio specifically. Things like denser NPC crowds or more sophisticated physics effects that are exclusive to Scorpio are far from impossible.
This isn't a platform aimed at casual gamers though.
good beef/chicken stock
GarthVaderUK
Banned
The good thing is developers are free to choose where to apply the grunt of the console, as 4K native isn't mandatory. So If a game struggles to hit 60fps and 4K native and the developers prefer 60fps, they can target that if they want.
The likes of Forza will be a great showcase for 4K native and 60fps though I'm sure! They're hitting that with a 2 day port with 4K assets and plenty of power to spare for further enhancements.