Probably not.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Probably not.
Shogmaster
Member
Yes, but they want 100% unwavering BC, not kinda works BC.
Not a chance.
Interficium
Banned
I swear microsoft is deliberately catering to the misterxmedia crowd with stuff like this.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Oh windows 10 store games. Aren't they bad performers? They will need more than just one game to benchmark and compare. 1070 and 1080 may be able to brute force any performance issues, though I don't know much about how Forza performs. I know a few other windows 10 store only games are said to be bad for some reason though. Then a game designed with Xbox in mind should run well on it. Like I said, console games have an advantage of not having to focus on many different versions of hardware. For this Forza demo I don't doubt they optimized the heck out of this specific hardware, it's the reveal of the new console updgrade, it better run well.
What setting did they use for the 1070 to make it match the Xbox One settings at 4k resolution, does it have 4k art assets too? Things have to be even for a benchmark. Is there a Xbox One mode for the PC port? Ok he seems done with the Forza talk, I didn't see his PC settings. They did say similar.
Anyway, I think this is just a case of game tailor made for the hardware, vs the standard PC game port designed for many variable configurations. On multiplatform games not made with xbox in mind, or rather xbox anywhere games, I doubt it would hang in with a GTX 1070. Nvidia would be all ReggieMad.gif if the hardware was hanging in with their graphics cards and not just one demonstration.
Sony are making money hand over fist with the PS4 and they're nowhere near reaching saturation point in sales. Sony don't want to hit the reset button, they want this generation to last as long as its viable and continue to reach new consumers each year with desirable bundles and further price drops. Scorpio will get our pulses racing in 2017 Q4 but those PS4 Destiny 2, RDR2 and Star Wars bundles are much more significant in the grand scheme of things.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
The Internet Media are on drugs. Between this and some "report" that PS5 will have two models packing VR... ahahahhaha. Click bait BS. Pay no attention.
Aztechnology
Member
Doubtful, but we'll see. Regardless you won't have the options you have on PC to control performance.
Explain the Forza 6 test then
(I'm half joking...one woudn't think so normally)
transformer
Member
I think he is referring to all the customizations in the GPU, CPU, etc. to remove latencies and bottlenecks. In other words, perform better per TF, Clock cycle, etc. than the previous Xbox.
Today is not the day you make that comment. Today is about numbers.
Faster CPU with many revisions to reduce overhead/latency greatly
6TF gpu with many upgrades
12GB of ram used for 4k assets, higher poly models, etc
326GB/s bandwidth for handling art assets
The gap is larger than what is seen between X1/ps4
DF
Sanctuary
Member
Certainly looks interesting in theory. As an also PC gamer however, I'm still waiting for something to set it apart. From what exclusives Microsoft have, where they don't actually release an afterthought/inferior version on PC to make those on the console look "good" by comparison, I can't say I care much for them.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Anyone else notice how much DF is parrotting MS PR talking points with their article? Like this gem right at the beginning of their coverage:
Bloody hell DF
I mean what do you want them to do? Anyone who gets the exclusive reveal on something like this has to go through their talking points and have all of their commentary approved first. Otherwise, what incentive does MS have to help DF out? They'll just say, "nope we'll just go to IGN, Gamespot, etc. etc., since you won't cooperate with us". You know the amount of views something like this will bring.
tokenflipguy
Member
Now show some new IP that takes advantage of it.
Butt, the sauuuuce!
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
He's referring to all the customisations to the APU.
Probably not (depending on PC port quality).
SneakersSO
Member
Anyone else notice how much DF is parrotting MS PR talking points with their article? Like this gem right at the beginning of their coverage:
Bloody hell
Are you at all surprised? At least they are wearing it on their sleeve this time around, and can do so cause they do have a strong system they can finally stand behind.
toddhunter
Member
Well say you purchased an xbox one because of the 360 days. You would be missing out on PS4 exclusive games but it probably isn't a big enough deal to get another console which is very similar. So the pro is a nice way to get access to those games while also feeling you have upgraded.
Similarly ps4 owners might just have too much money to spend.
anothertech
Member
Well it was Richard after all. If it was John, who does all the comparison pieces, it would have felt completely different I think.Anyone else notice how much DF is parrotting MS PR talking points with their article? Like this gem right at the beginning of their coverage:
Bloody hell
Funnier to me is that on the day they release the 'numbers' they are absolutely downplaying the importance of the 'numbers' on twitter and in the article itself. Common guys.
transformer
Member
Ultra settings on Scorpio and 1070 for that comparison. They said 1070 still dropped a few frames at that level.
Poimandres
Member
Sounds good. I wonder what kind of differences it will realistically translate to with third party titles? Sub 4K titles being native 4K, higher frame rates etc.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Looking forward to future face-offs including Scorpio to see how its performance measures up in more games.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
No it wouldn't. MS is the gatekeeper here.
But seriously who cares? Whether it's DF or MS saying it themselves, what's the difference?
DangerMouse
Member
Anyone else notice how much DF is parrotting MS PR talking points with their article? Like this gem right at the beginning of their coverage:
Bloody hell
Yup.
Well, for a start, they could put a "SPONSORED ADVERTISEMENT" notice right at the top of the article.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Truly a high class working mans console.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Its meaningless without context. Based on what we have its the customizations.
wesleyshark
Banned
Nah, not necessary.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
But why would they do that if it wasn't paid for?
Remember the benefit here is that DF gets the EXCLUSIVE. MS doesn't need to give them that AND money. If MS doesn't give them money, it's not a sponsored ad. Yes DF will make money from this indirectly via all the page views, but that's not a sponsored ad still.
Under your logic, Gameinformer would have to put a giant SPONSORED ADVERTISEMENT on the cover of each and every issue of their magazine.
lightchris
Member
A single game isn't representative. Forza 6 is known to have some problems on PC.
So of course there might be the odd one out, but generally his PC should perform a little better.
Way too technical for most of the people in this thread right now.
Chobel
Member
Not for GPU/CPU I think. The clock for those two are already so freaking high as it is.
Joe Normalman seal of approval sold it for me.
inpHilltr8r
Member
We don''t write much if any asm anymore. But we still hard code for core count, cache configuration, stuff like that. Zen could have been a four core configuration, so magical shit would have to happen to make that look like 8, and that stuff is never exact.
That's not a given. Older, less used, instructions can be moved off to microcode, where they run slower. Even subtle stuff. Fix a bug in the FPU and decay curves might not finish in the same time, or at all.
That happens.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Zero chance this thing gets to $600. The PS3 killed that price point for consoles for at least a little while longer.
Anyone else notice how much DF is parrotting MS PR talking points with their article? Like this gem right at the beginning of their coverage:
Bloody hell
What's wrong with that? He's a tech nerd who was impressed with the engineering behind the PS4 Pro and is now impressed with the Scorpio.
Papacheeks
Banned
Don't open an already deep wound.
Forza 6 Apex was butter smooth for me with a 1070 @4k ultra 60fps locked 8xMSAA
The Salt Life
Banned
Sure, but would it have run well enough on the OG Xbox One?
The game wasn't looking that hot from what we saw of it, people aren't getting dragons and platinum, so the upsetness is understandable
anothertech
Member
ppl could have said the same thing for a 1.3tf console in 2013 at $500
Not putting anything past them at this point.