Zvonimir Boban
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Nothing about VR.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Nothing about VR.
Papacheeks
Banned
No, no mention of it from what I'v watched and read.
Shadowhaxor
Member
Using my local Microcenter:
Z170A GAMING M5 LGA 1151 + Intel Core i5-6600K SkyLake 3.5 GHz 1151 = $290
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X 8GB = $420
Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB 2 x 8GB DDR4-2400 = $120 / Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB 2 x 4GB DDR4-2400 =$70
NZXT S340 ATX Mid Tower Case = $65
Samsung 850 EVO Series 250GB = $100 / WD Blue 1TB 7,200 RPM = $50
EVGA 500 Watt 80+ 500 Watt ATX Power Supply = $40
If took the 16GB DDR4 and SSD = 1035
8GB DDR 4 and 1TB HD = 935
This doesn't include an optical drive either, but most don't opt for those anymore. If you shop around, you can get a GTX 1070 for just under $400 or you can go with an RX 480 (4GB) at $220-230ish. / GTX 1060 at $250-280.
Even with the RX 480/GTX 1060, this could run just about anything at high settings, ultra with some details off/lowered at 1080p/1440p.
anothertech
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Neuromancer
Member
Ok thanks, I'm not surprised. Hopefully they will show us something at E3.
link1201
Member
Yeah they say as much in one of the articles.
"To be clear, then: Project Scorpio doesn't feature Ryzen cores, but the Xbox team are not so concerned about this. "On the CPU side of things, we could still meet our design goals with the custom changes we made," Kevin Gammill points out. "At the end of the day we are still a consumer product. We want to hit the price-points where consumers want to purchase this. It's about balancing the two."
inpHilltr8r
Member
Console dev is not PC dev. We know we have one CPU we can write for, and we do.
Not always intentionally, but since we only have one CPU to test on, inadvertently happens.
[edit] we have a PC build too, but that doesn't get the same degree of attention from dev or test as the actual target.
Shogmaster
Member
Emulation is for the lack of a better word. Future Ryzen will be cheap and fast enough to probably brute force XBO code with only 4 cores or so. Right now, I'm not sure even 8 core Ryzen can run XBO code with zero modification.
This is pretty compelling hardware. I don't have any real interest in Microsoft's software, but this is impressive.
If I were to get an XBox1, the only things I'd be interested in are Ori and the Blind Foredt, Rare Replay, and Cuphead, which isn't enough to justify a console. (Maybe Sunset Overdrive)
If I were to get an XBox1, the only things I'd be interested in are Ori and the Blind Foredt, Rare Replay, and Cuphead, which isn't enough to justify a console. (Maybe Sunset Overdrive)
wesleyshark
Banned
2018? Not a chance.
This teraflop stuff has to end some day
I mean really now... should Scorpio even go for native 4K? Nowadays with all those checkerboarding techniques, isnt it a waste to go for native 4K and waste all those resources if the actual difference is nwgligible for someone playing 1-2 meters away from his 55" TV?
Yes there are these artifacts and yes its not as clear and sharp as native but really the amount of resources you save to get this result is pretty damn worth it imo.
And this is not just Scorpio, PC as well, i dont get why there needs to be native 4K really. Braging rights and all, but i would definitely prefer Scorpio to go checkerboard and use all those resources for extra bells and whistles in graphics fidelity.
Just my thought.
Yes there are these artifacts and yes its not as clear and sharp as native but really the amount of resources you save to get this result is pretty damn worth it imo.
And this is not just Scorpio, PC as well, i dont get why there needs to be native 4K really. Braging rights and all, but i would definitely prefer Scorpio to go checkerboard and use all those resources for extra bells and whistles in graphics fidelity.
Just my thought.
wesleyshark
Banned
$399min-$449max
Shil Pencer
Member
Everytime i think this twitter is going to run out of steam and whoever it is just nails it everytime
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
That doesn't include an os (windows) or a gamepad.
SimpleCRIPPLE
Member
Petaflops.
I've seen that same joke here about the Wii U some time ago
What do you mean you write to the CPU? Are you writing assembly? Does the CPU support instructions that modern x86 CPUs don't support? I'm genuinely curious because information is not widely available.
If a new more powerful CPU came out that supported the same instruction set, in what cases would it not work? Assume that every instruction runs faster on the new architecture. I could imagine a case where you're not using any sort of semaphore mechanism and you rely on parallel instructions A and B to finish in a certain order?
anothertech
Member
It will, in 2025 when the Petaflop is introduced.
Aztechnology
Member
Gorram it. They need to announce the damn price. If they can get it under $400 my tune would change quickly. My guess is $499.
You can do way better than this by getting a $20 case and shopping for deals. I only spent $400 total shipped on an i7 7700, LGA 1151 mITX board, and 16GB of DDR4 RAM. You're spending $410 on your CPU/MB/RAM there. You could easily get some of those things down and swing for a better GPU/Processor.
I could have went for a much cheaper ATX MB ($40-$50) and knocked that down to like $340 on those 3 things.
Good gaming PCs are easy to get at lower prices (than $1000-$2000), but getting close to Scorpio for $400-$500 will be near impossible for a while.
transformer
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I think it depends on the game and power available. Forza is already runnning at 4K/60 with ultra settings. It's pretty much a lock that Forza 7 will be 4K/60. No reason not to go 4K in cases like that. Why make the graphics worse? If games struggle with frame rates at 4K, then I think you'll see a drop in resolution.
$399 is the sweet spot, but I doubt they will hit it.
anothertech
Member
$599-699 max. Xbone started at $499 and moved plenty numbers in their eyes I'm sure. Especially since this is just a 'enthusiast premium console'
Major B.S.
Neo Member
Wow that's a crazy exclusive. I wonder, how much does this advance Digital Foundry/Eurogamer's portfolio?
Hairsplash
Member
Is the GPU speed stock or turbo boost? And does that chip Have thermal throttling... if so, what is the minimum clock rate... 911Mhz?... (same has the ps4pro?)
Odd, that the scorpio chip has a GPU clock rate higher than rx480.
Odd, that the scorpio chip has a GPU clock rate higher than rx480.
Chobel
Member
Well my friend, Chobel and I made that bet months ago with you and Leeh, so I have saved this for you:
I may have a better quality one at later date if you want. I'll pm you details.
I'm going to let Chobel take care of Leeh's unless he wants me to do it as well. It was a fun bet. Lets do it again soon
lol, but thanks leeh is "taken care of"
A bit more patience. That affordable price of $399 will be announced at E3.
No, this is just the beginning. In a few years from now it will become the only true meassure for fun.
People will start memes like "wow, this party was 12TF!!!" or "Have you seen the new movie with Jennifer Lawrence?A total 4TF!"
Edit: Oh and this will also happen...
Girl one: "So how was your date with John"
Girl two: "Everything was fine until he dropped his pants. I expected something rysen but
all I got was a custom Jaguar"
anothertech
Member
Yes I noticed!
Hairsplash
Member
Haven't seen the video yet but the more I think about this the more I feel that Pro could have been so much more of an incremental update than it was. Not in terms of power which is completely fine and was logical for it's release year but rather what it brings to the table over the previous console in terms of functionality.
You don't have UHD, or this 16xAF across everything, or freesync or that thing people are talking about here that scorpio is doing with the 3GB of RAM. All Pro brought to the table was more power and that's it...Which is fine for an incremental all mid gen upgrade but it was too safe.
Still the biggest issue here is that PlayStation has dominance this gen and MS won't be able to catch up with a niche hardware. In fact even in the space of niche hardware Sony has had a year long headstart and will be cheaper than Scorpio.
You don't have UHD, or this 16xAF across everything, or freesync or that thing people are talking about here that scorpio is doing with the 3GB of RAM. All Pro brought to the table was more power and that's it...Which is fine for an incremental all mid gen upgrade but it was too safe.
Still the biggest issue here is that PlayStation has dominance this gen and MS won't be able to catch up with a niche hardware. In fact even in the space of niche hardware Sony has had a year long headstart and will be cheaper than Scorpio.
Definitely. If you've already waited this long, what's a couple of more months?
Hmm, in £, you get can a nice 1070 16GB, i5 7600k build (with a small SSD and 1TB HDD)
For $1000 you can probably do the same but with a 1060, but a 1070 without the SSD
That's only if you build it yourself tho.
Poimandres
Member
So, how much more powerful is this than the Pro when all is said and done?
Incase you missed it
https://mobile.twitter.com/albertpenello/status/849999569442054145
"More to Scorpio than just numbers" wonder what he means?
https://mobile.twitter.com/albertpenello/status/849999569442054145
"More to Scorpio than just numbers" wonder what he means?
What you're describing is full backwards compatibility.
SoundofSilence
Member
This guy again? Oh dear.
anothertech
Member
This will be my first Xbox purchase since the 360 Slim.
Very excited. But I will not be paying for Xbox Live and PSN together. This box will be for Xbox exclusives and 4K Blurays. I already have a Pro, so even multiplatform games will be on the PS4.
Im happy with the MS engineers. Built in power supply show me that they care.
Very excited. But I will not be paying for Xbox Live and PSN together. This box will be for Xbox exclusives and 4K Blurays. I already have a Pro, so even multiplatform games will be on the PS4.
Im happy with the MS engineers. Built in power supply show me that they care.
I'm getting flashbacks
We'll see when cross platforms show up. They seem pretty confident the custom stuff they've done is going to make quite a gap in games.
Apparently it runs Forza 6 better..lol
He means that Secret Saauuuce, obviously!
SS making a comeback.