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[dave is ok]

Wait, poisoned? Now I need to know what the hell happened there

Probably carbon monoxide

 

[collige]

Seems odd that people are willing to paint with such a broad brush on this topic, yet would find it intellectually dishonest or worse when applied to a different one. Like it's ok to generalize those who have traditionally been in a privileged position, but reprehensible if done to those who have traditionally been oppressed.

I won't give specific examples because it will probably get me banned.

Anyone willing to talk me down from this observation? I'm willing to listen.

I realize that there are many innocent people who are just doing their jobs who work there, but that doesn't stop me from saying "fuck Comcast" because they're a shitty fucking organization that's bad at their job.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Why? They are paid to represent cops. If their boss isn't pushing them to, why would they?

And that's my point. They should represent GOOD public servants. Not the corrupt pieces of shit amongst them. If you're suggesting that they have or should have no obligation to do so then thank you, you're proving my point.

 

[SecretDan]

And that's my point. They should represent GOOD public servants. Not the corrupt pieces of shit amongst them. If you're suggesting that they have or should have no obligation to do so then thank you, you're proving my point.

Obviously I think they should. But they don't. And aren't going to. Hoping they will seems misguided.

 

[zbarron]

This is shameful and ironic in the worst ways.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I don't associate bad apples with the whole force, I'm better than that.

You don't associate the police union, the ones who defend those bad apples, with the whole bunch? That's not you being better than others, that's just the typical oblivious nature we've all come to expect from you.

 

[A Link to the Past]

That's a funny coincidence; police earn a level of disrespect never seen before!

 

[zelas]

Seems odd that people are willing to paint with such a broad brush on this topic, yet would find it intellectually dishonest or worse when applied to a different one. Like it's ok to generalize those who have traditionally been in a privileged position, but reprehensible if done to those who have traditionally been oppressed.

I won't give specific examples because it will probably get me banned.

Anyone willing to talk me down from this observation? I'm willing to listen.

This police union boss wants us to use a broad brush to stop criticizing police officers that deserve criticism and the union groupies and attorneys who defend them no matter the circumstance. Why aren't you observing the fact he's using a broad brush to defend all officers as innocent? He's says they're human right? Why didn't you ask why he doesn't believe all humans are individuals? Why are message board posts, from posters not put in a position of trust, more worth pointing out? In one post why couldn't you criticize the Union's broad brush strokes in the article along with those in this topic?

 

[ishibear]

Respect is earned. Give it if you want to receive it.

 

[NumberTwo]

Primarily it gives cops an out for their murders.

Planting guns, or even making up guns that never show up in evidence, isn't a movie or TV thing.

I'm partial to "stop resisting" personally.

 

[supermarioworldE]

Well maybe if they'd stop with the self pitying "#bluelivesmatter" bullshit, and actually look into why theyre mistrusted, people might actually give a crap.

 

[Krappadizzle]

It's gotta suck to be a Chicago Cop.

 

[DedValve]

Why would anyone want to be a cop these days?

Killing people without repercussions has its benefits. I'd do it to if I had an axe to grind.

 

[commedieu]

It's gotta suck to be a Chicago Cop.

Hardly, They aren't executed daily.

 

[OceanBlue]

When I think of Chicago police, I think of this. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

How terrifying. I bet they think their black sites are no problem and they can't understand why people would find them objectionable.

 

[EYEL1NER]

Why would anyone want to be a cop these days?

There's times when I think about how fun it would be highway patrol or something, just out pulling all the stupid drivers in the area over and ticketing them into either responsible driving or such a deep bankruptcy that they cannot afford gas to continue driving. But then I think about the shit pay, shit hours, the risk, quotas, the other cops that I would have to interact with, pressure from the entire chain of command to pull over people of color, and more. Being able to ruin some asshole's day who's doing 20 over down Main Street and cutting people off and tailgating wouldn't be worth it for me.

 

[The Awesomest]

"The perception of a lot of police officers in the City of Chicago is that nobody has their backs," Dean Angelo Sr., president of the local Fraternal Order of Police, said in a luncheon address to the City Club on Tuesday. He spoke of a "deafening silence" in support of police as they deal with an "enormous level of confrontation, a level of disrespect we have not seen."

 

[HawksWinStanley]

There's times when I think about how fun it would be highway patrol or something, just out pulling all the stupid drivers in the area over and ticketing them into either responsible driving or such a deep bankruptcy that they cannot afford gas to continue driving. But then I think about the shit pay, shit hours, the risk, quotas, the other cops that I would have to interact with, pressure from the entire chain of command to pull over people of color, and more. Being able to ruin some asshole's day who's doing 20 over down Main Street and cutting people off and tailgating wouldn't be worth it for me.

I would love an AMA thread from a gaffer who's a cop in a larger city and willing to answer questions about their job. I think it would be incredibly interesting but knowing the OT forum it wouldn't end well.

 

[MBR]

I find this quite funny, as earlier this week I heard of Swedish police not being able to convict a person for spitting at an officer "as members of law enforcement should be able to tolerate a certain degree of threat".

 

[Messofanego]

I would love an AMA thread from a gaffer who's a cop in a larger city and willing to answer questions about their job. I think it would be incredibly interesting but knowing the OT forum it wouldn't end well.

It didn't go so well for a cop GAFer around the Ferguson times. Dude was chewed out.

 

[Zelenogorsk]

You get what you give.

 

[FelixOrion]

Cop culture is a cult mentality

 

[CrocMother]

Why would anyone want to be a cop these days?

This is a very large and unacknowledged problem. We need good people to be cops, but if everyone hates them only bullies/douches will be cops. Then it gets worse.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

You'd think he'd understand what it looks like to be saying his people have been unfairly judged and face mortal danger over it.

 

[Sunster]

stop murdering unarmed black people. 2015 one of the safest years ever for cops btw. sit down.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

This is a very large and unacknowledged problem. We need good people to be cops, but if everyone hates them only bullies/douches will be cops. Then it gets worse.

Nah, police look for people that fir a specific profile, they definitely don't like educated people that are likely to be more empathetic.

 

[Mr.Monitor]

Sounds like he's just butthurt that common civilians are actually bothering to put cops under some scrutiny now.

 

[commedieu]

This is a very large and unacknowledged problem. We need good people to be cops, but if everyone hates them only bullies/douches will be cops. Then it gets worse.

If they stopped killing people, lying about it, and getting away with it. I think it would resolve their niggling PR problem. Wait no, I know it would.

 

[platocplx]

This is a very large and unacknowledged problem. We need good people to be cops, but if everyone hates them only bullies/douches will be cops. Then it gets worse.

Also there are people from the military in there as well which is another problem.

 

[msv]

I detest this tactic so, so, so much. They conjure up some idiotic narrative, most of the time they just copy and mirror the complaints against them, and then go in it so hard that they delude even themselves into believing their nonsensical story. Anti-abortionists, anti same-sex marriage, police. Infuriating. You can't even discuss this when they are literally going against reality.

 

[diaspora]

Weren't these jokers the ones responsible for the chicago black-sites?

 

[OniBarubary]

Angelo blamed the "Ferguson effect," referring to last year's police protests over the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and said people who record officers with their phones are "hoping for a payday." He also said new demands for increased paperwork contributed to why Chicago Police "are down over 150,000 street stops" this year.

Fuck you.

Fuck you fuck you fuck you.

You fucking irredeemable cunt.

 

[capitalCORN]

I am Asian (you know. the safe minority) and even I get shit from cops sometimes. After being afraid for so long, all that's left is anger.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

"People stop killing our people and refusing to take responsibility for it"
"WHAT IS THIS DISRESPECT?"

Oh, fuck off. Those quips about "second class citizenship" and being treated as "less than human" really set me off. Whenever a cop gets killed, their killer is guaranteed to get caught and face the highest punishment the law can muster, assuming they can survive to trial. Families of killed unarmed black people are lucky to see a Grand Jury indict the cop responsible, no matter how clear the evidence is.

 

[Viewt]

Weren't these jokers the ones responsible for the chicago black-sites?

Yep, and it's so fucking depressing that you never hear about it around town anymore. I swear, I hear more about that article from people outside of Chicago than in it. I think people are so cynical about the police and city government from decades upon decades of scandals, that deep, inset corruption is just considered the status quo. Of course the head of our city's police union is an unfeeling, likely racist shitheel. It would be weird if he wasn't.

 

[Guileless]

Is the 'Ferguson Effect' real? Researcher has second thoughts

Rosenfeld’s research was widely cited in articles debunking the Ferguson effect.

But that paper only looked at the evidence for the effect in one city. With funding from the National Institute of Justice, the justice department’s research arm, Rosenfeld did a new study early this year that looked that more broadly at homicide trends in the nation’s 56 largest cities and found an overall 17% increase in homicide.

As a result of that broader national analysis he said, he has had “second thoughts” about the Ferguson effect. “My views have been altered.”

Looking at the additional homicides in large cities, he found that two-thirds of the increase was concentrated in 10 cities: Baltimore, Chicago, Houston, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Washington, Nashville, Philadelphia, Kansas City and St Louis.

Those 10 cities had somewhat higher levels of poverty than the other cities he examined. But, he said, the “key difference” was that “their African American population was substantially larger than other large cities”: an average of 41% in those 10 cities, compared with 19.9% in the others.

Separate analyses looked at two of these cities in 2015 and early 2016. A FiveThirtyEight assessment of Chicago crime data concluded that the city’s increase in gun violence was statistically significant, that the spike dated back to the release of the video of the police shooting of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald, and that it was closely correlated with a drop in police arrests. Researchers in Baltimore found a similar correlation between a drop in arrests and an increase in violence in the wake of protests over Freddie Gray’s death, and concluded that while the Ferguson effect played no role in Baltimore’s rising violence, a “Freddie Gray effect” may have been a significant factor.

 

[undu]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the black sites they have (had?) in the city: http://www.businessinsider.com/more...-chicagos-police-black-site-were-black-2015-8

 

[Malvolio]

Well if the police say this is true, who are we to argue?

 

[Damerman]

That line about people who are recording the police are "hoping for a payday" is the kind of cynicism that is pervasive throughout all aspects of american policing. Maybe they are recording because they are afraid for the apprehended person's human rights. But no, keep thinking everyone is a crook, and everyone will go on disrespecting you.

 

[msdstc]

It sucks because there are good officers, and they want to help do right thing, but there's really nothing you can do given how deep the corruption runs.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

That line about people who are recording the police are "hoping for a payday" is the kind of cynicism that is pervasive throughout all aspects of american policing. Maybe they are recording because they are afraid for the apprehended person's human rights. But no, keep thinking everyone is a crook, and everyone will go on disrespecting you.

It's our only method of leverage in these situations and it doesn't even work half of the time. That even that is considered unacceptable to this guy just shows how messed up his views are.

 

[Silent Chief]

While this is certainly good advice, and I fully believe the police are doing a poor job, they are also tasked with policing a heavily armed population. Most other countries police don't have to deal with that.

Nobody has problems with cops gunning down armed suspects.
A heavily armed population is not an excused to shoot unharmed people.

 

[GK86]

What about the level of disrespect that the Black community faces from cops?

Oh, that's not important? Carry on, union boss.

 

[timetokill]

They don't get to throw out the "we're just like everybody else!" spiel when they can shoot people and get away with it 99.9% of the time.

 

[Beartruck]

News flash Chicago PD: Nobody respects you, they fear you. Big difference.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Hey, Chicago Police Union Boss!

Go fuck yourself!

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Weren't these jokers the ones responsible for the chicago black-sites?

Sacks of filthy, zombie dicks. So much ignorance from the guy. Or he's evil, which I find easier to believe.

 

[Gallbaro]

Funny seeing thugs complain about violence, just like _hugs!

 

[A.edrerai]

Is no wonder that this happens when the police are protecting the 1% intereses at the back of the 99% .

 

[old manatee]

What goes around is all around.