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Soldier 76 is the most forgiving character.
Does massive damage, can self heal, accuracy isn't an issue, and his ultimate doesn't even require you to aim.
Yes, why on earth does the long range specialist have such a good close ranged weapon?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
That's the thing, at the level I and presumably you play at, it really isn't a problem. But at higher levels, I've seen widows that can shut down the game by herself. Hopefully it doesn't trickle down to my level but even I'm finding widows that can stop a pub team flat unless I go chase after her with D.Va, which at my level still works.
150 body shot is bullshit too and to top it off she as 200 HP like a front line hero?
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
A cool change to the SMG would be to heavily reduce its damage but make it slow people down so that it's a tool used to escape and increase distance rather than a weapon. Fits with her spider motif too.
Interesting. Perhaps high level players will find exceptionally skilled counters to tackle exceptionally skilled Widowmakers? Must be tough balancing for people at that skill level, I wouldn't even know she was an issue to anyone if it wasn't for this thread.
lmafo
You know this game has huge audio tells right? No widow should be dying to tracer or reaper flanks, especially with wallhacks and the mine covering one of the paths to her.
Winston cant even kill her if she has hook off CD.
Call me when you run into shit like this in your games: https://youtu.be/r5PLhOlozGw?t=146
Because I have. Even turns left to look at the Reaper they can't see. The only counter to a widow is another widow.
*I've also played vs Surefour and coolmatt in other games where they were snipers its not even close to how broken widow is.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Based on a couple of these posts, I'm concerned that people actually think the SMG on widowmaker is her problem... (it's a much weaker version of s76's weapon btw)
My matchmaking puts me with pretty good players and every round has a widowmaker,usually two and they are always the center of the game.
And as someone said,her counters don't really work that well agains a good widow.
They always have wallhack up, their mine is pretty good at killing squishes and many of them won't even use the SMG, they'll just snipe you at close range.
I would like to point out that I (and I think most people discussing this here) are talking about the PC version.
I think Widowmaker on console is probably fine.
And as someone said,her counters don't really work that well agains a good widow.
They always have wallhack up, their mine is pretty good at killing squishes and many of them won't even use the SMG, they'll just snipe you at close range.
I would like to point out that I (and I think most people discussing this here) are talking about the PC version.
I think Widowmaker on console is probably fine.
Console players when we are saying Widow is not only viable, but overpowered.
But then you would be playing Mei, which means you already lost.
But then you would be playing Mei, which means you already lost.
It's just one of her many problems, but it's pretty ridiculous cause it pretty much nullfies one of her weaknesses.
The only tweaks I would like to see for toons I play would be a tiny bit more damage from Tracer, and Zenyatta needs...something...a life bump OR a movement speed bump OR some kind of shield orb (orbs are his thing right?).
It is rough when I play Zenny because people assume I am going to be the hardcore healer and switch off and I just like him and think he is a good offensive character.
This has been me for my past couple days of games.
I will start on a toon that i want to play and have fun with and get better with (Tracer or Zenyatta) and everything is going to shit so I will have to switch to Mei to deal with holding the line, blocking out turrets and snipers and buying time to rally.
About tired of randoms.
It is rough when I play Zenny because people assume I am going to be the hardcore healer and switch off and I just like him and think he is a good offensive character.
This has been me for my past couple days of games.
I will start on a toon that i want to play and have fun with and get better with (Tracer or Zenyatta) and everything is going to shit so I will have to switch to Mei to deal with holding the line, blocking out turrets and snipers and buying time to rally.
About tired of randoms.
Shake Appeal
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Blackthorn
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Lol, true! Luckily Blizzard said they're balancing platforms individually, because a Widowmaker nerf across the board would kill her on consoles.Console players when we are saying Widow is not only viable, but overpowered.
yanipheonu
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So in a stunning turn off events, rather than a team with no tanks or support, we were a team with no Attackers on attack in Hollywood.
Actually panned out until the last stretch, but that's always a struggle.
Actually panned out until the last stretch, but that's always a struggle.
More Fun To Compute
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Maybe the answer to mlg dorrito dust snorting snipers ruining every fps was always to play only on consoles.
http://www.planetoverwatch.org/13-overwatch-tier-list-and-hero-meta-report-1-hero-limit-and-you
New meta and tier list report of the last tournament week-end is up.
Good read !
New meta and tier list report of the last tournament week-end is up.
Good read !
PrivateRyan
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Shield orb would overlap with Symmetra's role.
I think one viable change that would be easy to implement is to give the orbs (or at least health orb) more active time before they're returned when line of sight is broken. And maybe have the health orb give health at a slightly higher rate.
I want to use him as support more often because I like his design but he can't compete with Lucio's all-round usefulness or Mercy's healing output. Maybe Blizzard might focus on his debuff side to make him more distinct? Dunno.
It's just that I see Widowmaker as the #1 use of taking down turrets and Bastions. I feel like if she's nerfed they become a bigger problem.
I can feel for taking away her assault rifle tho. And no message if her mine is triggered or destroyed. That should make it easier to harass her.
That part of the video you sent is from PC right? I'm speaking from my own experience only and that experience is only on PS4. Judging that video I can understand your frustration a bit more.
Antiwhippy
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Shields barely matter with symmetra.
yanipheonu
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Widowmaker could take some cues from TF2 sniper actually. Give her Sniper's much longer charge time and maybe even the red dot showing where she's pointed.
But I mean, maybe it's more of an issue for other classes, but haven't been seeing too many op widows out there. Shields, Ice Walls, aggressively seeking her out. She's got counters.
But I mean, maybe it's more of an issue for other classes, but haven't been seeing too many op widows out there. Shields, Ice Walls, aggressively seeking her out. She's got counters.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I don't know what they should do with widowmaker. I just know I hate being double body shot so easily, so perhaps putting more emphasis on higher charge and less about spamming non-headshots... even then the great widowmakers can get pretty out of hand as well. I am bothered less by a really skilled widow who rarely misses a headshot, but when it comes to these great snipers the refire rate seems a bit too high. A miss, miss, headshot ouch.
There is a certain non-fun factor going on here as well, because even a widowmaker that is slamming a team might be contributing a lot less to an overall win than say a tracer who is putting out the same pain.
The SMG is actually quite weak. It's basically much weaker than s76's rifle. Much more spread and 4 damage per shot less. I think I was told overall it is ~40% less consistent dps or something. The SMG doesn't bother me at all.
There is a certain non-fun factor going on here as well, because even a widowmaker that is slamming a team might be contributing a lot less to an overall win than say a tracer who is putting out the same pain.
The SMG is actually quite weak. It's basically much weaker than s76's rifle. Much more spread and 4 damage per shot less. I think I was told overall it is ~40% less consistent dps or something. The SMG doesn't bother me at all.
robertlebrone
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My new favorite past time is going over/under on my teammates survival that push up all the way to the enemies spawn on defend maps. It's hilarious watching their blue icons turn yellow then to skulls.
It's funny cause some games you just know right off the bat you are going to lose based on what your teammates are doing.
It's funny cause some games you just know right off the bat you are going to lose based on what your teammates are doing.
Soldier 76 and Widow were both balanced for console play, now they are a little too powerful on PC.
Haha no problem. It's just after I watched that video that I realised there it is a totally different world for Widowmakers. That last part I edited in after watching that.
Soldier? Can't say I ever had problems with him. I guess I can see where you are coming from though.
SliceSabre
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He's not game changing like Widow, but his burst damage is a little too good for how easy he is to play.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
By the way, how many points of damage does Zarya's shield block? I thought it was brief invulnerability for the longest time, but yesterday a Bastion shredded me in no time.
All those complains about Widowmaker and how strong she is make me sad.
I really like her and she's my most played character. But I have zero experience with sniper classes and don't play shooters often, so my aiming is pretty meh.
Sometimes I have moments that work fine or even good and get play of the game but most of the time I'm happy if I can even land a body shot once in a while. I don't even try to get headshots except for non-moving unaware targets.
And then everyone says how she dominates the game while I'm always worried to not drag my team down when picking her. Sucks to be a low-skill player :/
At least I feel I'm a little bit better now compared to when I started playing.
I really like her and she's my most played character. But I have zero experience with sniper classes and don't play shooters often, so my aiming is pretty meh.
Sometimes I have moments that work fine or even good and get play of the game but most of the time I'm happy if I can even land a body shot once in a while. I don't even try to get headshots except for non-moving unaware targets.
And then everyone says how she dominates the game while I'm always worried to not drag my team down when picking her. Sucks to be a low-skill player :/
At least I feel I'm a little bit better now compared to when I started playing.
I think like 200 damage? Maybe 250?
What it does though is it negates all damage that happens while it is active. So say it has 50 health left and a Pharah rocket hits it directly. The rocket would do 120 damage. Instead of the shield breaking and the rocket dealing 70 damage to you,the shield would just break and the remaining damage would disappear.
That's all good though mate, you are new to snipers, but most people who play her at the decent skill levels have hundreds if not thousands of hours with hitscan snipers in all kind of games.
Blackthorn
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Oh, that isn't much at all, no wonder! Funny that things have gone well for me despite not knowing that.
Interesting. So it's better against single, large chunks of damage than lots of little rapid bits. Explains why Bastion shredded me so quickly, thanks for the info.
200 on self shield (converts up to 50 charge), 400 on allies (up to 100 charge I think).
TheRedSnifit
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It's really not that weak. It out-DPSs a lot of other characters, especially if you aim for headshots.
Compare this to the TF2 Sniper's SMG, which has the lowest damage output of any stock (ranged) weapon in the game.
It's interesting that the F-Tier and lower end of the C-tier are the heroes that I see picked the most on consoles right now.
No, then again I think I've only seen her played competently once. I just fly straight above her as Pharah.
Stone Ocean
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You already have the red character outline and the bullet trajectory to show where she is/aiming at.
Longer charge time is the ideal nerf IMO. Killing people without a full charge is pretty bullshit. That said, if they increase the charge time considerably then the max charge damage needs to be increased to deal with Bastion and Torbjorn.
SliceSabre
Banned
Console here! I've never found her to be truly a problem. For many of my game she's only a problem when people allow her to just set up somewhere and snipe people uncontested.
TheCanisDirus
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On console? Nope, not at all. S76 is MUCH more powerful on console than any Widow. It all comes down to our non-precise aiming. S76 can just spam out damage... full sprint everywhere... self fucking heal and has a rocket splash damage attack. Dude's needs some tweaks. It's VERY rare you see a dominating Widow on console.
on PC if you are the groupleader and leave,there is a box you can tick that says "leave as group"
Sniffynose
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Yup, they do need to give Hanzo some proper arrows though because he headshots you just by shooting randomly in the sky. Once mccree is no longer insta-gibbing tanks and Hanzo has to actually aim console would be pretty good.
PrivateRyan
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I never said they did.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Not at all, it's pretty easy to ruin her day.
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