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What's the current status of the PAL PS2 games on PS4? Some received 60Hz updates.

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Joqu

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I don't know if I worded this title well enough but there's a sale going on on EU PSN and there's a lot of questions on this in the thread with very little actual information.

You may have heard about the issue when PS2 games were first released on PS4. Over here in PAL regions PS2 games were being released in their 50Hz form, even if they originally had a toggle between the two, and then being forced to output in 60Hz by the PS4. The result? A lot of stuttering. It was widely talked about.

However apparently a lot of these games received patches for this later on but very little attention was paid to that and I'm not finding any official info either. Unlike Nintendo Sony doesn't state in their store description if the title is 60Hz or not.

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From what I read the Star Wars games, Dark Cloud and maybe Rogue Galaxy all received 60Hz patches. (Confirmation on those would be appreciated though...)

But what about Dark Chronicle? Ark the Lad? PaRappa? Twisted Metal? There are many more.

I find it very hard to find confirmation on which PS2 games received patches and which didn't, and if current releases are fine now or if things go in a case by case basis. It would be great if anyone had more info on this, maybe even a list if one exists. Unless I'm overlooking something google searching isn't returning much information on this for me.
 
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Knuf

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I approve of this thread.
Some info on Mark of Kri and Fantavision, please: a confirmation they're both 60 hz now would make me instantly pull the trigger.
 
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Joqu

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Robin64 said:
Good news. No excused for forcing 50hz games these days on consoles that output at 60hz.
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Agreed, but what's crazy is how hard it is to find information on this stuff. I had vaguely heard about the patches and figured this was all widely known now, but it turns out barely anyone had heard about these things I can't blame them. It's very hard to actually find out if a specific title is running in 60Hz or not.

Sony should REALLY put that kind of info in the store description.
 
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Static Veins

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Is it just Dark Cloud that's been patched and not Dark Chronicle? Been itching to get the latter for a while and this current sale isn't helping, but I want it in 60.
 
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Shahed

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I'm downloading both Dark Chronicle and Rogue Galaxy now. I'll let you know what the patch notes are. Should be 30 mins max
 
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Joqu

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Shahed said:
I'm downloading both Dark Chronicle and Rogue Galaxy now. I'll let you know what the patch notes are. Should be 30 mins max
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Thank you so much!

This isn't particularly aimed at you only but I suppose it's worth pointing out that later releases might not have any mention of it in the patch notes since they might have released fine in the first place however.

And from what I gather Rogue Galaxy IS fine now after a patch, but it had really vague patch notes so you couldn't tell from those but from how the game actually ran. But I'd really appreciate your confirmation on that too. :)
 
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Shahed

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Well Dark Chronicle doesn't say anything about 50/60hz in the patch notes. It's on version 1.01 with the notes being

-End game crash in French and Spanish only fixed
-Added controls pages to manual in supported languages.

This is a later released game so it might already be fine. 5-10 minutes for Rogue Galaxy

EDIT: Rogue Galaxy is on 1.01 as well. Doesn't mention Hz either it's simply

-Bug fixes
 
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Joqu

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Black Hat said:
How are they patching to 60Hz...? Replacing the EU game with the US one?

Maybe we should direct some tweets to Dave Thach (PS emulation team)

https://twitter.com/davethach
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No, some of these games had 60Hz options in their original PAL release, I assume they're simply forcing those after the patch.

Originally they were doing the opposite on PS4, with 50Hz being chosen as the one to force. A dumb oversight really.

The option is removed either way.

I'd assume they don't put out patches if the game was 50Hz only originally, that seems like it'd be way too much work. But I'd love to be wrong on that.

Shahed said:
Well Dark Chronicle doesn't say anything about 50/60hz in the patch notes. It's on version 1.01 with the notes being

-End game crash in French and Spanish only fixed
-Added controls pages to manual in supported languages.

This is a later released game so it might already be fine. 5-10 minutes for Rogue Galaxy

EDIT: Rogue Galaxy is on 1.01 as well. Doesn't mention Hz either it's simply

-Bug fixes
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Thanks for the info. Yeah, the Rogue Galaxy one is vague like I thought. I hope you're able to tell from how then run though. :)
 
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Shahed

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Scarl said:
Thanks for the info. Yeah, the Rogue Galaxy one is vague like I thought. I hope you're able to tell from how then run though. :)
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I'm not sure I'd notice the difference between 50 and 60 to be honest unless I had two feeds to directly compare. I'd notice the stuttering though but only once I controlled a character and moved around.

Besides I haven't got much time before I go to work. I'll see what I can do but probably can't confirm either way.
 
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Joqu

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Shahed said:
I'm not sure I'd notice the difference between 50 and 60 to be honest unless I had two feeds to directly compare. I'd notice the stuttering though but only once I controlled a character and moved around.

Besides I haven't got much time before I go to work. I'll see what I can do but probably can't confirm either way.
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That's okay, I'm happy you shared the information either way.

I'm thinking Galaxy is fine while Chronicle isn't for what it's worth, although I obviously hope I'm wrong on the latter. If you do notice the stuttering it'd be great if you could share that info too but no worries if you don't have the time right now.
 
irriducibile87

irriducibile87

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Shahed said:
Well Dark Chronicle doesn't say anything about 50/60hz in the patch notes. It's on version 1.01 with the notes being

-End game crash in French and Spanish only fixed
-Added controls pages to manual in supported languages.

This is a later released game so it might already be fine. 5-10 minutes for Rogue Galaxy

EDIT: Rogue Galaxy is on 1.01 as well. Doesn't mention Hz either it's simply

-Bug fixes
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Thanks for your help !
I'm really tempted to take a risk and buy it for 8 euros.
 
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Shahed

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For what it's worth Rogue Galaxy seems fine. Dark Chronicle I'd want to see more of though since I'm not sure.
 
Link_enfant

Link_enfant

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Well, at least it seems that not only Nintendo has been releasing some 50Hz crap in Europe in 2015/2016 for no vlid reason.
I didn't know about this at all but it's such a shame, I mean, will this 50Hz curse ever be gone for good?
It's sad to say this again and again, but let's just hope for the best regarding both Sony and Nintendo (Microsoft hasn't ever been concerned by this iirc).
 
nkarafo

nkarafo

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Link_enfant said:
I mean, will this 50Hz curse ever be gone for good?
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Homebrew emulators is the only thing so far where you can eliminate this problem yourself. I'd rather get an import, physically, and play it there, than support the official lackluster efforts from companies that are still 10 years behind in the scene.
 
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Out_Of_Ammo

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Ugh, I didn't know the PAL PS2 games are in 50Hz on PS4... Was going to buy Dark Cloud and Chronicle, and Rogue Galaxy... anyone knows for sure which ones of these are patched to 60Hz?
 
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Nachtfalke

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I'm not an expert, but I'm usually very sensitive for bad framerates/judder/frame pacing issues.Take this with a grain of salt, but Dark Chronicle plays very sloppy. So I would say it's not fine at all.

Will also take a closer look to Rogue Galaxy.

Edit: Rogue Galaxy is also sloppy. Does not look like proper frame pacing, but for some reason it's not that annoying as Dark Chronicle. And since it is not mentioned in the patch logs, it seems both are still the 50h versions. Damn it. I hope they will patch them aswell, they are the only PS2 games I want to play again.
 
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Joqu

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Nachtfalke said:
I'm not an expert, but I'm usually very sensitive for bad framerates/judder/frame pacing issues.Take this with a grain of salt, but Dark Chronicle plays very sloppy. So I would say it's not fine at all.

Will also take a closer look to Rogue Galaxy.

Edit: Rogue Galaxy is also sloppy. Does not look like proper frame pacing, but for some reason it's not that annoying as Dark Chronicle. And since it is not mentioned in the patch logs, it seems both are still the 50h versions. Damn it. I hope they will patch them aswell, they are the only PS2 games I want to play again.
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Thanks, I've heard enough about Dark Chronicle to think you're right on that.

Rogue Galaxy originally had a 60Hz option though. That'd be so weird. :/
 
Malcolm9

Malcolm9

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Unless you are really sensitive to frame rates/pacing the games are fine to play personally, each to their own though.
 
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Benzychenz

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Malcolm9 said:
Unless you are really sensitive to frame rates/pacing the games are fine to play personally, each to their own though.
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Yeah but when you can very easily just buy and download them with a US account then play them on your main EU one there's really no reason not to get the best version.
 
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Raitaro

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Sorry for the bump, but is there an updated list of patched games perhaps?

I've been eyeing Bully and The Warriors but I refuse to deal with 50hz games ever again if I can help it.
 
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Nachtfalke

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Rogue Galaxy and Dark Cloud 2/Dark Chronicle both got new patches. Patch log only says "bug fixes". Can't test right now, but maybe there was a stealth 60hz update? Iirc both games had 60hz modes for PAL versions but they did not use them for the PS2 to PS4 versions. And only Dark Cloud 1 recieved it with a patch later on so far.
 
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Trailblazer34

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Nachtfalke said:
Rogue Galaxy and Dark Cloud 2/Dark Chronicle both got new patches. Patch log only says "bug fixes". Can't test right now, but maybe there was a stealth 60hz update? Iirc both games had 60hz modes for PAL versions but they did not use them for the PS2 to PS4 versions. And only Dark Cloud 1 recieved it with a patch later on so far.
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If this is true, I would want dark chronicle. Can anyone confirm?
 
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