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Late To Yharnam's Party Night: Bloodborne

Nev

Banned
What a fucking masterpiece.

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Just kidding. But really, it is. Not gonna lie, I absolutely love Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, I haven't played Dark Souls II (yet). I went in with the mere expectations of being a fan of the previous games and having read good critics, and I got everything I could've asked for and more. Now I can't decide if I like Demon's Souls or Dark Souls more, every time I think about it I just can't choose one over the other. I have too many good memories of DeS and it being the first one I played, I've got a special spot for it. They're two absolutely fantastic games and two of my favorites ever, though being objective I could say Dark Souls is a bit more of a well-rounded game and a complete masterpiece. The two of them are 10/10 for me anyways.

And of course, so is Bloodborne. (Spoilers ahead) (Shitty compressed screencaps so it doesn't look too wall of textish. It is anyways).

Seriously, how can From Software be so fucking good so many times in such short times? I can't being to talk about how awesome this game is. I'm used to the fantastic combat and gameplay of the series, and I liked the faster approach of this one. Weapons are super cool and look incredible (the crane/whip is just so smooth and swaggy[sorry]), the new dodge dash feels and looks great too and I found the game to be as challenging as the other ones, none of that "casualsouls" bs I used to read about. At this point people who like these games are used to the controls, combat and gameplay in general being spot on, but boy can you open your eyes again when you try other things like The Witcher 3 or AC: Syndicate, which I tried in my brother's XBO before. Felt like amateur games with unplayable, laggy, clunky and messy mechanics/controls, especially AC. Oedon Almighty, must it be hard to beat a game based on these gameplay systems.

Anyways, what about that setting though? The graphics are really good, much better than what I expected. Maybe it's because I went from Dark Souls PC (Durante just for upping the res, no 60fps mod or anything) but it totally was a generational leap. I guess not so much had I played DS2 PC before it. Them cloth physics. Graphics aside, the art direction in this game deserves every award and more. I can't describe how sublime the atmosphere in this game is. Geniuses. I'd rather walk through three streets of Yharnam than a full map of Skyrim or some other generic, by-the-numbers, dispersed world. I couldn't stop making screenshots through the whole game, I must have like 5GB worth of screen captures and videos, I was just constantly awed by how unreal this game looks and how immersive the world is. Speaking of which, I liked that the level design was closer to DeS than DaS in terms of "openness". The one thing I disliked most about level design in DaS was that there were some needlessly wide areas that led to some emptiness and dispersion that differed from the tight design of the rest. Anor Londo had way too big spaces for instance, though these weren't a chore to go through since they were beautiful and there weren't any frustrating enemies along the way. That fucking forest tho... Fuck those trees. Or the place before Ceaseless Discharge, worst too. DeS had open places but they weren't near as wide, and so were in BB, I found, which I appreciated.
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I liked the lore in the other games but I have to love BB the most in this regard. Gothic setting, victorian horror, lovecraft novel... It felt like a nightmare through and through, a delightful one that you can't stop getting back into. There were moments like when you're abducted and wake up in the hidden village that were more terrifying and oppressive than most "survival horror" I've played. It happened to me with Dark Souls (less so with DeS because of the hub world giving away what you could expect in terms of levels, places and duration of the game), advancing through the game and realize they will just keep delivering. I was already satisfied with what I had played after defeating Rom (the way to this fight being one of the best gaming moments I've played in the last years), and it just kept going on and on and on with even more wonderful, awesome stuff.
Imagine how shocked I were when I read there were areas I hadn't even played, like Cainhurst (which I regret because I totally could've done with more BB but oh well, that's how it is in these games and I didn't have a choice because I don't read guides or watch videos of people playing, I go completely blind and I missed it) and the DLC (well I wasn't shocked with this one because well, it's obvious I hadn't played it because I didn't have it). It took me 78 hours to beat Dark Souls with DLC (might be around 70-75 actual hours because Steam), 55 to beat Demon's Souls and 42 to beat Bloodborne, but it didn't feel short AT ALL. In fact, I could've sworn I was past 50 or even more. I have no complaints whatsoever in this regard.

There are a lot of things I've probably left behind in my playthrough (and in this thread), I've read a lot about the lore (both in-game and on the internet) and I've got a decent idea of what a lot of things are and what was going on all along, and despite not knowing everything with certainty (which I don't mind because I feel it's just the way it's intended, more or less), it's already one of the best and most interesting lores in gaming for me. The more I discover from writings in the internet, videos and some other info (like the Doll being a Great One or the theories about the moon phases and the whole thing about the connection between the interdimensional beings, the babies and the erudites, the vilebloods and the choir, the reason behind the hunters and the hunting nights, the Old Yharnam story) the more I'm in love with this.

Seriously, probably less than 15 minutes of cutscenes and still better than most videogame stories, even those with more cutscenes than gameplay (like The Order, which I played before this and well, needless to say, felt like a poor's man BB automated tech demo).

Oh and what about that soundtrack? Definitely the best in the whole series thanks to such wonders like the Hunter's Dream themes, the ending theme or the Amygdala and Blood-Starved Beast fight themes, and of course, that marvel that is the Gehram fight theme that rounds what is probably my favorite moment in all of From's games. I thought Artorias and Maiden Astraea were the most epic fights in the whole series but this topped everything, even O&S. How genious is that you have the final boss (or second last depending on what you do) right in front of you from the beginning of the game, and the fact that it turns out being a good guy after all if you piece things together.
I have some complaints though. The frame pacing issue, though you get used to, shouldn't be there. I don't mind 30fps because that's how I played DeS and DaS and the game just looked very, very beautiful. I prefer 60 obviously but as long as it's stable I can do 30 just fine. There were noticeable drops in online play though and as mentioned, the frame pacing issue makes the experience not as smooth as it should be. Absolutely not "unplayable" or "vomit-inducing" as I've read plenty of times, especially from some exacerbated PC fanboys, and I'm not one to ignore performance in games. Oh and please, enough of those goddamn toxic swamps.

I liked the Chalice Dungeons, mainly the pre-made, shared ones because I didn't feel they took away from the main game. I'd rather do them than resetting in bonfires and farming the same areas over and over to be honest, and they're nice for co-oping. Of course they're a quite rough attempt but I enjoyed them for the most part, even the random ones. But yeah, they could use some work if they ever try again. There are probably a few more things I didn't like about the game but they're probably nitpicks considering I can't even remember them, which isn't too hard anyways when the game is so good.

TL;DR

From Software are one of the best developers ever and Miyazaki is a genius. Bloodborne is just another example of this; another instant classic masterpiece and yet another lesson in game development from these guys. I'm so glad they bless the current industry and hope they stay for long. Can't wait to play DaS2 next holidays.
 

Ohnonono

Member
This is my first console game (meaning non portable) for about 6 years. I am at Rom. It is nuts to me how good it is.
 

NotLiquid

Member
I'm really not much of a Souls stan but I have to admit that after getting a PS4 a week or so ago with BB as one of my first games it's really been positive so far. I'm still no less confused about what is going on, the story of the game and what the hell is the right direction I should be taking half of the time but the setting is one I'm very partial for and I love the new offense emphasis on the combat. Also there's no feeling quite like beating the absolute ballbusters that are the bosses. I beat
Father Gascoigne
earlier and man, the guy's an absolute ass but beating 'em was satisfying as hell.

Of course I usually feel like I need to take a long breather after accomplishing something like that but hey, I'm enjoying myself.
 
I bought this day 1 but am just now getting to the 4th boss - but right now it's my current obsession, so I should finally get through it (maybe).
 
Just finished it myself recently and I agree the game really is a masterpiece. Some of the bosses were a bit too easy compared to other Souls games but other than that it was fine.
I beat like 6 of the bosses in the game on my first try. #humblebrag
 

Kuro Madoushi

Unconfirmed Member
GOTY for me and that's saying a lot with MGS, FO4, and W3 out.

I'm still torn on getting DS3 since I didn't really like DS 2, loved DeS, and thought DS was ok.

Love the action and focus on attack and aggressiveness too.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
From Software are one of the best developers ever and Miyazaki is a genius. Bloodborne is just another example of this; another instant classic masterpiece and yet another lesson in game development from these guys. I'm so glad they bless the current industry and hope they stay for long.
No lies detected.
 

Acorn

Member
Played it for like 2 hours so far. I just can't get used to the controls and keep fucking up, just waiting for myself to click with the controls (I'm aware the problem is me not the game). I played Demons Souls yearrrrrs ago haven't touched a souls game since.

Overwhelmed by my ineptitude at the moment.
 

Endo Punk

Member
Starting my 3rd character. This is a game for the ages, place yourself next to Mario, MGS & RE you magnificent beast.
 
I just bought this, started it and feel totally lost. I've died a couple times and not sure where to go. I know that mystery is part of the appeal, and the improvement of skills, but what's a good approach to take as a total beginner to the genre?
 

Curufinwe

Member
I just got the guide today even though I bought the game at launch and beat it long ago. I just wanted to relive the experience, and maybe finally beat the last four Chalice dungeons,
 
Played it for like 2 hours so far. I just can't get used to the controls and keep fucking up, just waiting for myself to click with the controls (I'm aware the problem is me not the game). I played Demons Souls yearrrrrs ago haven't touched a souls game since.

Overwhelmed by my ineptitude at the moment.

What's the problem? The hard lock on, the evade system?

I just bought this, started it and feel totally lost. I've died a couple times and not sure where to go. I know that mystery is part of the appeal, and the improvement of skills, but what's a good approach to take as a total beginner to the genre?

Explore and unlock shortcuts. Everything is connected like castlevania. You'll level up once you see the boss for the first time or get an item called madman's knowledge.
 
Played it for like 2 hours so far. I just can't get used to the controls and keep fucking up, just waiting for myself to click with the controls (I'm aware the problem is me not the game). I played Demons Souls yearrrrrs ago haven't touched a souls game since.

Overwhelmed by my ineptitude at the moment.

Just keep trying, the same thing happened to me. I started to get discouraged at one point but I kept at it and didn't give up. Now it's one of my favourite games of all time :)

I had a tough time adjusting from Dark Souls/Demon's Souls because there is no shields or blocking. That is the main adjustment.

Don't forget that you can use your gun to stun most enemies (even some bosses) when they are in an attack animation (you'll get the feel for each enemy in time). This will lead to the all-important visceral attack. Once I was able to do that, some enemies became a lot more manageable.
 

KaoteK

Member
Ain't no party like a a Yharhnam party...

Glad you enjoyed it OP, easily my GOTY, and one of my all time favourites too. I think at the moment From are my favourite developer, they just keep putting out games I can't get enough of.
 
I keep trying to like Bloodborne but I always end up suffering from grey fatigue and lose interest. It just feels like there's no life to the game and the different locations end up looking the same.
 

Acorn

Member
What's the problem? The hard lock on, the evade system?
Both to be honest but evading mostly I'm too used to shields in combat never been a great parry or dodge guy. Can't get it nailed down time wise plus my general space awareness is all out of whack.

Basically I'm too used to dumbed down hack and slash.
 
Definitely a great game, and OP explains it quite well.

All the Souls games are great. But as much as I like them, I only replayed them enough times to see content I'd missed. After I'd wrung everything out, I was done. For DeS and DS, this was about 3 characters, with at least one of 'em making it to NG+3. I struggled to finish DS2 even once.

The only DS game I may someday replay (barring remakes/remasters) would be DS1 and that's because I never played Artorias (plz no kill).

Bloodborne, on the other hand, is Super Mario Bros 3 status. I have already replayed it multiple times and -- despite the fact that I've pretty much seen everything -- I will continue to replay it. Everything is just so soaked in warm blood cozy, from start to finish. They really knocked it out of the park with this one, and despite the complaints of "lol limited character builds" I actually think this game has more replayability than previous DS titles, on the merit that each and every weapon is viable and fun to a certain degree (ymmv).

I hope DS3 is good. Only a few months to wait....

EDIT: it's also worth nothing that Victorian Horror and Lovecraftian Horror are very scarce in the gaming realm these days. I hate to say "be grateful for what you get", but be grateful for what you get. There is no other AAA game on the market that delivers on the same setting as BB.
 
Oh and what about that soundtrack? Definitely the best in the whole series thanks to such wonders like the Hunter's Dream themes, the ending theme or the Amygdala and Blood-Starved Beast fight themes, and of course, that marvel that is the Gehram fight theme that rounds what is probably my favorite moment in all of From's games.
Fucking YES! The Blood-Starved Beast sounds like you're in the middle of a horror chase scene. The soundtrack in this game is absolutely amazing and I'll always sing its praises. The One Reborn and Ebrietas' theme are amazing as well. Of course, Gerhman's track is the best, but the dlc brought the heat as well. There is literally no track that isn't good in the Old Hunter's dlc. As you said, this game has the best soundtrack in the Soul's series to date.

Interestingly enough, I knew that as soon as I heard the main menu theme that this game would be my Goty and it never failed.
 
The first game that justified me buying a ps4. Bloodborne is a classic for me because I rarely go back to games after beating it and I'm already considering doing my 4th run. Dark souls 3 will free me from this addiction that I'm slowing beginning to have.
 

Acorn

Member
Just keep trying, the same thing happened to me. I started to get discouraged at one point but I kept at it and didn't give up. Now it's one of my favourite games of all time :)

I had a tough time adjusting from Dark Souls/Demon's Souls because there is no shields or blocking. That is the main adjustment.

Don't forget that you can use your gun to stun most enemies (even some bosses) when they are in an attack animation (you'll get the feel for each enemy in time). This will lead to the all-important visceral attack. Once I was able to do that, some enemies became a lot more manageable.
Thanks man. I plan to go back at it tomorrow, off work until Monday so I'll get there hopefully heh. Just don't remember being this terrible at the start when I played Demons Souls.
 
Both to be honest but evading mostly I'm too used to shields in combat never been a great parry or dodge guy. Can't get it nailed down time wise plus my general space awareness is all out of whack.

Basically I'm too used to dumbed down hack and slash.

Bloodborne was my first souls game. Even if you die a lot learn the enemies attack patterns sometimes you can only attack once and not just hack your way thru. I usually wait for enemy to attack me and then I'll dash in hack him once or twice and retreat.
 

Brakke

Banned
I'm in the Forbidden Woods now and yeah it's quite good. Somethings are way better than previous games (combo combat), some things are a push (I could take or leave the guns), some things are worse (the progression is bad at the beginning: killing the Blood Starved Beast just opens a door in Odeon? why?).

Loving the aesthetic. I wish I'd known about the Beast Roar earlier. I would've put points into Arcane and ignored Bloodtinge. I assume there's more "spells" like that later? I really wish this game had a respec item. I hate building a character first time through totally blind.
 
I'm in the Forbidden Woods now and yeah it's quite good. Somethings are way better than previous games (combo combat), some things are a push (I could take or leave the guns), some things are worse (the progression is bad at the beginning: killing the Blood Starved Beast just opens a door in Odeon? why?).

Loving the aesthetic. I wish I'd known about the Beast Roar earlier. I would've put points into Arcane and ignored Bloodtinge. I assume there's more "spells" like that later? I really wish this game had a respec item. I hate building a character first time through totally blind.

Killing the Blood Starve Beast also unlocks the ability to create the first chalice dungeon. And that door leads to a completely new area later in the game.
 

Ferr986

Member
Imagine how shocked I were when I read there were areas I hadn't even played, like Cainhurst (which I regret because I totally could've done with more BB but oh well, that's how it is in these games and I didn't have a choice because I don't read guides or watch videos of people playing, I go completely blind and I missed it) and the DLC (well I wasn't shocked with this one because well, it's obvious I hadn't played it because I didn't have it). It took me 78 hours to beat Dark Souls with DLC (might be around 70-75 actual hours because Steam), 55 to beat Demon's Souls and 42 to beat Bloodborne, but it didn't feel short AT ALL. In fact, I could've sworn I was past 50 or even more. I have no complaints whatsoever in this regard.

Bruuuh. Cainhurst is an amazing area. And I bet you missed Upper Cathedral Ward too, another great optional area. Eerie as hell!
 
I consider Dark Souls to be a masterpiece but not Bloodbourne. Bloodbourne is close but the chalice dungeons are too draining, the pvp took a step back, and the environments weren't varied enough. Amazing game though.
 

depths20XX

Member
You really need to go back and do Cainhurst. Such an amazing area. Also the DLC for the weapons and boss fights alone.
 
Anyone interested in taking a deeper look into the lore needs to read the Paleblood Hunt https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/preview. Or check out Redgrave on Youtube the guy that wrote it. Some of the best BB theory crafting out there and really goes in depth for possible inspirations and symbolism in the game. A bit of warning, he does this for a hobby and doesnt have the greatest production value like others so there will be occasional pauses where he get sidetracked by his cat or something. Other than that he produces great content to get lore hunters like myself thinking.

Heres his latest theory on the origin of the Player Character. Spoilers for the DLC and Main game ahead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUqtL-MS76I
 

Ardenyal

Member
killing the Blood Starved Beast just opens a door in Odeon? why?).

Behind that door are 3 different areas.
Old workshop, Upper Yarnham and if you go all the way down you will find a way past the magically sealed door in Cathedral Ward. No need to buy the 10k key to open the door. You can't summon anyone to help with any bosses in the area though if you don't buy the key so there's that.
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
Yesterday was my first time with Bloodborne. I fucking sucks but its so fun.

"And you don't seem to understand..."

seriously though, don't worry, you'll figure out how to proceed eventually.

Try try and try again as they say.
 

Melchiah

Member
Behind that door are 3 different areas.
Old workshop, Upper Yarnham and if you go all the way down you will find a way past the magically sealed door in Cathedral Ward. No need to buy the 10k key to open the door. You can't summon anyone to help with any bosses in the area though if you don't buy the key so there's that.

Not to mention, that you won't be
taken to the Unseen Village before the blood moon phase
if you dont beat BSB.
 

Dahbomb

Member
One of the few games I bought the expansion of because I liked the original product so much.

My biggest complaint about BB is that it's not on PC and I can't enjoy it on 60FPS with the technical faults removed. You can't do much about that so it's a whatever statement.
 

Gbraga

Member
Nice thread, and this is a party you can never be late to, Souls games have the biggest legs, I tell you :p

I can't see myself not playing these games for quite a while. I'm aching for another slow Dark Souls II playthrough after a couple more of Bloodborne and Dark I, actually, and Dark III is right around the corner.

Oh, and yes, play the DLC asap. It's absolutely amazing. The best DLC I've ever played, personally.

Followed closely by Artorias of the Abyss and Crown of the Sunken King. From is great at doing DLC as well :')

And going blind is no excuse to miss Cainhurst, the summons tell you where to go, play it right now!
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Anyone interested in taking a deeper look into the lore needs to read the Paleblood Hunt https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/preview. Or check out Redgrave on Youtube the guy that wrote it. Some of the best BB theory crafting out there and really goes in depth for possible inspirations and symbolism in the game. A bit of warning, he does this for a hobby and doesnt have the greatest production value like others so there will be occasional pauses where he get sidetracked by his cat or something. Other than that he produces great content to get lore hunters like myself thinking.

Heres his latest theory on the origin of the Player Character. Spoilers for the DLC and Main game ahead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUqtL-MS76I

Honestly, I think this is a terrible habit of the community. Don't get me wrong, his stuff is great! I was part of three of his streams and I adore his youtube content (still didn't read Paleblood Hunt though), but I kinda hate how every time the lore comes up people just say "go read this guy". What are you guys, Gerhman? It's for my own good?

Anyone interested in taking a deeper look into the lore should just play the game and pay more attention to it. Then discuss with the community, and, of course, watch videos and read stuff. I feel like there's a constant increase in a "just play the game 'normally' and then read the Paleblood Hunt" mentaility, which is, in my opinion, unhealthy to the lore discussion.

I actually disagree with Redgrave in a lot of the stuff he says (even if I still think the videos are great), but that's only possible because I played the game paying as much attention to the lore as possible, making my own mind about it and then discussing with friends and the online community. If you don't go through this process yourself, you'll just absorb his views on the game and accept them as fact, since you can't really form a counter argument in your head to make up your own mind when it comes to the stuff that is just open to interpretation and there's no 100% fact on it.

Redgrave himself always warns people they shouldn't "appeal to authority", and just accept his word as law just because "he's the guy who wrote many pages on the lore".
 

Fhtagn

Member
Behind that door are 3 different areas.
Old workshop, Upper Yarnham and if you go all the way down you will find a way past the magically sealed door in Cathedral Ward. No need to buy the 10k key to open the door. You can't summon anyone to help with any bosses in the area though if you don't buy the key so there's that.

On that last point, not quite accurate.
You can open the gate without the key if you approach from the other side after killing BSB. You do have to open the gate for co-op to work, but you just pull the lever.
 

nib95

Banned
I don't think I can even find fault in it, not anything glaring anyway. An absolute masterpiece. The only reason it's not higher in any all time lists for me personally, is simply because I still find it sort of dreary and bleak, but I appreciate that is by design. But my word, what an experience.
 
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