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Protests of the killing of Jamar Clark escalate in Minneapolis

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Malyse

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I'm surprised there isn't a thread about this already, but I searched "Jamar Clark" and "Minneapolis protest" and couldn't find one.

First, some background:

How did Jamar Clark end up with a bullet hole above his eye?

The 24-year-old black man was shot by a Minneapolis police officer early Sunday morning under unclear circumstances. His family says he was taken off life support Monday, and died that evening.

What’s agreed on is that Clark was shot by an officer after police and ambulances responded to a domestic-violence call. Police said Clark was a suspect in the domestic assault, and interfered with responders. From there, things get murky. A number of people watched the incident unfold—it was across the street from an Elks Lodge—and several of them say that Clark was handcuffed when he was shot in the head. Police insist he was not cuffed.

“The young man was just laying there; he was not resisting arrest,” a man named Teto Wilson who said he saw the incident was quoted as saying by the local NAACP chapter. “Two officers were surrounding the victim on the ground, an officer maneuvered his body around to shield Jamar’s body, and I heard the shot go off.”

The state’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the state’s top investigative agency, has taken over the case, and Mayor Betsy Hodges also requested an investigation by the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division. NAACP leaders welcomed that request, saying they didn’t trust local law-enforcement to investigate itself.

Black Lives Matters protestors have been out in force in Minneapolis since Clark was shot. On Monday night, a group staged a demonstration on Interstate 94, bringing traffic to a halt. Police arrested 51 people before the highway reopened. Activists also rallied outside the police precinct close to where Clark was shot. They have demanded that police release video of the shooting. Authorities, meanwhile, initially wouldn’t even say if there was footage, either from dashboard cameras or from body cameras. (A September report by a city police-oversight commission recommended that body cameras be activated during all community contact.) Bystander footage from shortly after the shooting is available. On Tuesday, the BCA said it has obtained several videos but that “none … captured the event in its entirety.”

[Superintendent Drew] Evans said the videos came from the ambulance, a public housing building, cellphones of bystanders and a police mobile video station. There is no video from any police squad car or officer body cameras. The BCA is in the process of working with the nearby Elks Club lodge to examine its exterior video.

But Evans also said that no images will be released until after the investigation is complete—which could mean months.

How Did Jamar Clark Die? - The Atlantic

1. Witnesses Say Clark Was Handcuffed When Police Shot Him in the Head ‘Execution Style’

The incident began early Sunday morning when police were called to James and Plymouth avenues in Minneapolis for a report of a domestic dispute involving Jamar Clark and his girlfriend.

Police say Clark was interfering as EMTs tried to get his girlfriend into an ambulance, and a struggle then began. During that struggle, according to police, Clark was shot by an officer.

Witnesses say Clark was handcuffed and knocked to the ground before he was shot, the NAACP says. Police have denied claims that Clark was handcuffed before the shooting, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

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2. Clark Was Taken to the Hospital & Was on Life Support Until Monday Evening

Police said Clark was taken to a local hospital where he was placed on life support until Monday evening.

Relatives, including Clark’s sisters, gathered at Hennepin County Medical Center, in the seventh-floor intensive-care unit Sunday afternoon. They told the Star-Tribune a physician told them Clark was brain dead when he arrived.

“From witness accounts, Jamar Clark was handcuffed and then shot in the head in front of dozens of witnesses,” Minneapolis NAACP President Nekima Levy-Pounds said Monday morning, according to City Pages. “Police essentially threw a corpse in the back of an ambulance, and put him on life support at the hospital. They pulled guns on witnesses and sprayed them with mace. They waited 45 minutes before asking people what had happened there. This is one of the worst examples of what we’ve seen, recently, with the execution of unarmed black men.”

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3. Protesters Have Gathered at the Police Precinct Near the Shooting

Protesters gathered at the intersection where the shooting happened on Sunday, and then marched to the police department’s 4th Precinct in North Minneapolis..

Led by the local NAACP and Black Lives Matter, a group has “taken over” the outside and lobby area of the precinct. Police also gathered at the scene Sunday night.

Protesters have said they are willing to stay at the precinct as long as it takes to get justice and have their demands met.

According to a Facebook post, they are demanding five things. They want to see footage from the incident, they want an independent investigation (not by another police agency), they want the media to cover eye-witness testimony (not just the police’s point of view), they want full community oversight with full disciplinary power and they want officers to live in the communities they serve.

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4. Two Officers Are on Paid Leave as the Shooting Investigated by a State Agency

Police said the officers, Mark Ringgenberg and Dustin Schwarze, have been placed on paid leave, KARE-TV reports.

The shooting is being investigated by the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which is part of the state Department of Public Safety.

“I want to acknowledge that this is a very difficult situation for everyone involved: For members of our community, members of the Minneapolis Police Department and their families, and for the people that are standing here beside me,” Minneapolis Police Chief Janee Harteau said. “”We need to know exactly what happened. We need to know the truth. Everyone involved needs that and deserves that.”

The local police union said president, Lt. Bob Kroll, told Fox News 9, “We’ve got confidence in the BCA. Our officers are cooperating with the process. We want people to remain calm. Let the investigation be completed. I am confident in the end, our officers actions will be justified.”

5. It’s Not Known if the Shooting Was Caught on Video

Police said there are no videos that show all of the incident. Video was captured from the Elks Lodge, located near the scene, and a nearby public housing complex, but it is incomplete.

The Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has said it will not release the video while the investigation is ongoing, despite pleas from protesters and Clark’s family for them to do so.

The officers were not wearing body cameras and the shooting was not recorded on dashboard cameras, police said.

Jamar Clark: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know - Heavy

Which brings us to last night:

Tensions escalated between demonstrators and Minneapolis police Wednesday night, when both officers and protesters deployed a chemical irritant amid clashes. Protests at a makeshift encampment near a police precinct continued into the night after police named two officers involved in the death of Jamar Clark, an unarmed black man shot Sunday. Mark Ringgenberg and Dustin Schwarze were identified as the officers involved in the shooting. Police said they used a chemical irritant to control the crowd, but protesters allegedly responded by deploying a chemical spray at officers, said police spokesman John Elder. Several officers sustained minor injuries after rocks and water bottles were thrown. Clark was shot in the head during a reported confrontation with police officers, but some witnesses allege he wasn’t struggling and was handcuffed during the incident.

The Daily Beast, which links out to Minneapolis Star Tribune
 

SummitAve

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Yeah, I've been following this pretty closely. Going to need to just wait and see what the investigation yields as everyone is saying different things. He was either handcuffed and executed or he reached for the officer's gun and was shot or something in between.

I have other big issues with chief Hearteau, but the police in general have been handling this fairly well. While for the most part peaceful, I can't say the protesters are gaining much support by blocking the major highway and damaging public property. Otherwise everyone has been in support and allowing the protests to happen along with granting every request except for releasing the video, which is understandable given the ongoing investigation.
 

Malyse

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I'm a little surprised at the lack of coverage. I hope this isn't people getting used to this 😓
 
Saw this in my feed, wanted to make a thread but at the same time wasn't looking forward to MLK being summoned like a pokemon to punch down at black people.
 
Yeah, I've been following this pretty closely. Going to need to just wait and see what the investigation yields as everyone is saying different things. He was either handcuffed and executed or he reached for the officer's gun and was shot or something in between.

I have other big issues with chief Hearteau, but the police in general have been handling this fairly well. While for the most part peaceful, I can't say the protesters are gaining much support by blocking the major highway and damaging public property. Otherwise everyone has been in support and allowing the protests to happen along with granting every request except for releasing the video, which is understandable given the ongoing investigation.

Im sick of this fucking defense. Why is it that every black man shot by cops is so lacking in self preservation instincts that he "reaches for an officers gun" every. single.fucking.time.
 

Malyse

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Saw this in my feed, wanted to make a thread but at the same time wasn't looking forward to MLK being summoned like a pokemon to punch down at black people.
Counterattack them.

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I'm a little surprised at the lack of coverage. I hope this isn't people getting used to this 😓

Lack of coverage could be down to no released video footage. Incidents involving US police that get a lot of coverage in the UK are usually ones accompanied by some type of video.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Saw this in my feed, wanted to make a thread but at the same time wasn't looking forward to MLK being summoned like a pokemon to punch down at black people.
Fuuuuuuuuck, you got me on that one.

Haven't heard of this story at all, but thanks OP for bringing it to light
 

jorma

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"Witnesses say Clark was handcuffed and knocked to the ground before he was shot, the NAACP says. Police have denied claims that Clark was handcuffed before the shooting, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune."

So.. are the police saying they handcuffed him after the shooting or are they saying that there were no handcuffs invovlved at all? It seems a bit unclear.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
"Witnesses say Clark was handcuffed and knocked to the ground before he was shot, the NAACP says. Police have denied claims that Clark was handcuffed before the shooting, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune."

So.. are the police saying they handcuffed him after the shooting or are they saying that there were no handcuffs invovlved at all? It seems a bit unclear.
They are claiming there were no handcuffs at all. Witnesses say otherwise.
 

SummitAve

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Im sick of this fucking defense. Why is it that every black man shot by cops is so lacking in self preservation instincts that he "reaches for an officers gun" every. single.fucking.time.

I hear you, but it's what is being claimed. I don't think the benefit of doubt should be given to the man allegedly interfering with first responders to the woman he just assaulted or to the officers that shot an unarmed man. It's why keeping the integrity of an independent investigation is so important even though it seems so reasonable to just release the video and all the facts.
 

JayDub

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Im sick of this fucking defense. Why is it that every black man shot by cops is so lacking in self preservation instincts that he "reaches for an officers gun" every. single.fucking.time.

Because most of the time, police don't just execute people, especially in front of another officer. Its not wrong for people to say, "a number of things could've lead to this incident, lets not hunt witches quite yet."

Jesus christ.
 
Counterattack them.

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What many people don't know is that before he was killed he actually started to move more so toward the Malcolm X side of things when he realized the peaceful approach wasn't working. Of course he couldn't materialize many of these thoughts into actions because he had his fucking head blown off.
 

Rembrandt

Banned
Because most of the time, police don't just execute people, especially in front of another officer. Its not wrong for people to say, "a number of things could've lead to this incident, lets not hunt witches quite yet."

Jesus christ.

true, most of the time they should shoot them from a distance or while they're walking, driving, in a doorway, in bed, in a hallway, in an alley, at a playground or they enforce other methods while they're bbqing, selling cigarettes, "resisting" arrest by talking to an officer, etc. the executions are definitely a rarity.
 
I hear you, but it's what is being claimed. I don't think the benefit of doubt should be given to the man allegedly interfering with first responders to the woman he just assaulted or to the officers that shot an unarmed man. It's why keeping the integrity of an independent investigation is so important even though it seems so reasonable to just release the video and all the facts.
Where does it say he was reaching for a gun?
 

painey

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this is a big deal here in Minneapolis. I think the protesters lost a lot of good will when they shut down the highway. The guys family member even drove up and shouted at the protestors who were blocking the precinct and that's all over FB with lots of racist comments. Who knows what really happened..
 
Not that it matters in regards to the protests, but why would he get into a "struggle" with EMTs trying to put his girlfriend in the ambulance? That just seems really weird to me.

No reason to execute this guy either way.
 

JayDub

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true, most of the time they should shoot them from a distance or while they're walking, driving, in a doorway, in bed, in a hallway, in an alley, at a playground or they enforce other methods while they're bbqing, selling cigarettes, "resisting" arrest by talking to an officer, etc. the executions are definitely a rarity.

Yea, not biting. "Most" of the time was emphasized. Police being the big bad is not a narrative I will ever support. There are some bad seeds, but all in all, most officers are good people.

We'll wait for the results of the investigation.
 
Yea, not biting. "Most" of the time was emphasized. Police being the big bad is not a narrative I will ever support. There are some bad seeds, but all in all, most officers are good people.

We'll wait for the results of the investigation.

You know how when your in a job interview and you get asked " If you saw Billy take someone into the back of a store and beat the shit out of them, how would you respond?" You're expected to say something along the lines of "Well I would intervene to make him stop and immediately notify my superior of his wrongdoing and see that the appropriate disciplinary actions are taken against him." Well those "good" officers don't do that and when they do they get fired and harassed or in some cases even beaten themselves.
Or better yet ask yourself this question. If the police are so confident that their actions were justified, why wait to release the video? If you've done no wrong you have nothing to hide right?
 

BriGuy

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Too little information to form much of an opinion one way or the other. At the end of the day though, I'm just sad another young man is dead before his time.
 

BriGuy

Member
Or better yet ask yourself this question. If the police are so confident that their actions were justified, why wait to release the video? If you've done no wrong you have nothing to hide right?
There's apparently no complete video of the incident to release, just bits and pieces from numerous sources. I imagine a few of them will turn up on the usual channels before too long.
 

Rembrandt

Banned
Yea, not biting. "Most" of the time was emphasized. Police being the big bad is not a narrative I will ever support. There are some bad seeds, but all in all, most officers are good people.

We'll wait for the results of the investigation.

Can someone tell me why AllLivesMatter offends some people. Makes perfect sense to me..

I am not surprised. generally people that don't under blm also do the "some bad seeds/a few choice incidents/idk how the police force is structurally racist and targets minorities with the help of the justice system to land people in jail for profit" thing
 

devilhawk

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Not that it matters in regards to the protests, but why would he get into a "struggle" with EMTs trying to put his girlfriend in the ambulance? That just seems really weird to me.

No reason to execute this guy either way.
You know what's also weird? Beating the shit out of your girlfriend, necessitating the ambulance and police in the first place.

Note that my statement certainly does not condone a man being executed, if that is indeed what happened.
 
I personally think protesting is a bit premature at this point. I lived in north Minneapolis for 14 years. The police are engaged with the community and are overwhelmingly good people who genuinely want to help. Betsy Hodges also immediately requested a 3rd party federal review.

That said, there are some bad apples out there and if the investigation comes back showing there was gross misconduct - please protest away. However, if Jamar ends up being a wife beater who attacked the police - just please don't burn my town down.
 

Tagyhag

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“Two officers were surrounding the victim on the ground, an officer maneuvered his body around to shield Jamar’s body, and I heard the shot go off.”

Holy shit that's fucking terrifying if true.

Sounds like a gang initiation kill.
 

DonasaurusRex

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Not that it matters in regards to the protests, but why would he get into a "struggle" with EMTs trying to put his girlfriend in the ambulance? That just seems really weird to me.

No reason to execute this guy either way.


Supposedly he's the one that put her in the hospital and then interfered witht he EMT's when they were trying to treat/load her in the ambulance.

I wonder if theres any dispatch recording or if the girlfriend has said anything , maybe she was unconscious though.
 
Supposedly he's the one that put her in the hospital and then interfered witht he EMT's when they were trying to treat/load her in the ambulance.

That's what floors me. If he beat his girlfriend to the point that he put her in the hospital, and would then try to fight the EMTs as they're treating her, then he sounds like a piece of shit. However, that does not excuse the police from executing him if the report is true.
 

Enzom21

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I am not surprised. generally people that don't under blm also do the "some bad seeds/a few choice incidents/idk how the police force is structurally racist and targets minorities with the help of the justice system to land people in jail for profit" thing

Do you honestly think he doesn't understand the purpose of BLM? Like most people who pull out the #alllivesmatter nonsense, he doesn't think there's an issue with how black people are treated so there shouldn't be a special hashtag calling attention to it.
 

poppabk

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I'm sure this abides by police protocol, but if they're trying to suss out the truth, how would it negatively affect testimony?
If witnesses saw the footage? They are likely to remember things from footage that they didn't actually witness, and are likely to build the footage into their memories of the incident.
 
I actually came to tack the last part onto the existing thread, but there wasn't one. 😰

Doesn't need to be mutually exclusive.

I'm not telling you if it's right or wrong, I'm just telling you the facts that one of the most well known cities just experienced one of the worst terrorist attacks in the last decade.

And because of that it's going to take up almost all air time.
 

Malyse

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I'm not telling you if it's right or wrong, I'm just telling you the facts that one of the most well known cities just experienced one of the worst terrorist attacks in the last decade.

And because of that it's going to take up almost all air time.

Okay? Do you think that there's even a REMOTE possiblity that I don't know this? C'mon son. 😒
 
I personally think protesting is a bit premature at this point. I lived in north Minneapolis for 14 years. The police are engaged with the community and are overwhelmingly good people who genuinely want to help. Betsy Hodges also immediately requested a 3rd party federal review.

That said, there are some bad apples out there and if the investigation comes back showing there was gross misconduct - please protest away. However, if Jamar ends up being a wife beater who attacked the police - just please don't burn my town down.

Yeah I work and serve a lot of folks in North Minneapolis... this is really tugging at a lot of the really sensitive aspects of the community. The lack of agreement on just what happened has left everything really tense. Like you said, the police have a fairly good record (recently) of reaching out and trying to ways in which to better engage the community and improve policing practices, but there have always been issues, especially since the area became more heavily black.
 
I'm sure this abides by police protocol, but if they're trying to suss out the truth, how would it negatively affect testimony?

A lot of people were influenced by media or don't remember stuff at all and were caught in courts for some cases especially against some evidence in courts. That's why we have "expert" witnesses, I guess. Not to knowledgeable on this stuff so take with salt.
 

kirblar

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This is definitely a case where withholding judgment until more facts come in from the investigation(s) is the prudent course of action. Hard to discuss much aside from the protests because of that.
 
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