kitchenmotors
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AngryJoe receives a Nintendo copyright claim. Hope they enjoyed the ad revenue; Done
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Alright, now you're just trolling.
Fantasy Final
Member
This whole "Let's play" YouTube stuff where YouTubers are thinking they are above everything needs to stop.
AngryJoe community was always a PC/Xbox crowd anyway, they don't care about Nintendo games.
AngryJoe community was always a PC/Xbox crowd anyway, they don't care about Nintendo games.
Stop. Just stop for a second.
Do you honestly believe AJ is for the gamers? AJ is a company. He looks out for himself. He didn't even buy his Wii U himself. It was given to him.
AJ and Youtubers like him are all companies as well. They are looking out for their own self interest. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself.
AJ just actively lied in that tweet. You going to call him out on that?
The only difference here is that AJ/Youtubers are "small" and Nintendo is "big." The bigger guy is always the bad guy.
The subscribers are there for AngryJoe. That doesn't mean every video is getting the same amount of hits, games still vary greatly in viewer entertainment value and let's-play-potential.
Both factors have nothing to do with Nintendo as a developer at all. AngryJoe loses absolutely nothing by not covering Nintendo.
I don't know a lot of the copyright and financial split stuff. But I'd like to know where the difference is between Joe playing Mario Party 10 and a channel like GameXplain which has a ton of footage for Nintendo stuff.
GX seems to do quite well, don't they? What is it exactly that they deal with that Joe doesn't want to and why?
GX seems to do quite well, don't they? What is it exactly that they deal with that Joe doesn't want to and why?
Small-Medium business =/= Multinational
He is doing it for himself but also starting a discussion to change the anti-consumer behavior of certain companies with YT/Twitch.
Since his POV is beneficial for us gamers, we should stand beside it. It's not rocket science, it's being a critical thinker.
See above, it's really simple.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
What the hell are you blabbing about? Reading comphrehension. Try it, instead of saying things I didn't say.
I think people subscribed to AngryJoe are AngryJoe fans. There may be Nintendo fans among them, as they aren't mutually exclusive categories. But, I think AngryJoe has a potential audience that Nintendo may not have a huge part of these days (Xbox, PS and PC fans). I think it's also likely that those fans are subscribed to other gaming channels...but ones that match whatever their interests are (Xbox, PS or PC). People are fairly insular.
That's why I said "theoretically," I wasn't claiming he HAD done it yet.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
People being so salty about successful youtubers is always so funny. I don't really care for any of these characters either, but the jealous anger people show is just on another level.
lol, dude's such a hypocrite it's kind of hilarious
Reverend Funk
Comfy Penetration
I don't really see anything wrong with what nintendo is doing here but I don't think it makes much business sense as it makes them look bad in comparison to other major publishers.
Starchasing
Member
I would put mi face in a little corner showing my reacting and making funny faces and making funny remarks my personality ( the reason people watch youtubers) will be ZenJoe, i would be calmed and relaxed, and the funnies would come because of the contrast of personalities.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
AJ is more 'for gamers' than Nintendo is, if that's what you're wondering. If there was a scale, I'm sure AJ would fall closer to the 'Directly communicating with fans and watching out for them' than Nintendo is.
Nah. The other ones are about whether he sucks or not. This goes beyond that. You could replace him with any youtuber in the topic.
Yeah, when you make money off of long form let's plays of copyrighted material I don't think it's out of line for the owner of the copyright to want a piece of that money. Hell, it's better than before when they would just shut the video down completely.
AzureTranquility95
Banned
Okay, so, being someone who runs a YouTube Channel that hosts a sizeable chunk of Nintendo content, I feel obligated to chime in on this.
This is my most viewed video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rRMZQLinzw
Do you see the amount of views on it? I'm not making a single cent off of it because Nintendo claimed copyright (And before anyone asks, this is also true for the segmented version of the game as well)
Do I let it stop me from continuing to upload Nintendo content? No, because I do videos because I enjoy doing it, first and foremost. The money is nice, yes, but not why I make gaming videos on Youtube.
I can't speak for AngryJoe, but I feel he's making way too big a deal of this. If he makes most of his
YouTube Money from non-Nintendo videos, why should he stop making Nintendo videos if those videos would only bring him a couple more dollars at most?
tl;dr Nintendo's copyright BS sucks, but some people are over-reacting.
This is my most viewed video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rRMZQLinzw
Do you see the amount of views on it? I'm not making a single cent off of it because Nintendo claimed copyright (And before anyone asks, this is also true for the segmented version of the game as well)
Do I let it stop me from continuing to upload Nintendo content? No, because I do videos because I enjoy doing it, first and foremost. The money is nice, yes, but not why I make gaming videos on Youtube.
I can't speak for AngryJoe, but I feel he's making way too big a deal of this. If he makes most of his
income
tl;dr Nintendo's copyright BS sucks, but some people are over-reacting.
TheSlySoul
Member
Mario Kart 8 sold times two the Wii U version.
7 million Smash sales are from 3DS version.
Either way I'm sure they get a share of revenue but he gets the largest share so it's still a company
...Yeah, I remember he said the Wii U was donated to him, now he says he paid for it in the video? We need clarifications on this.
The solution is quite simple.
Angry Joe can continue to play Wii U games, but if he decides he wants to monetize them he has to give Nintendo 40%, or 100%. Or give them nothing, have fun. They owe you nothing. You owe them nothing.
Nintendo doesn't give a fuck. They don't want your favour.
Angry Joe can continue to play Wii U games, but if he decides he wants to monetize them he has to give Nintendo 40%, or 100%. Or give them nothing, have fun. They owe you nothing. You owe them nothing.
Nintendo doesn't give a fuck. They don't want your favour.
Furfuryl Furforate
Banned
People don't think Nintendo's f2p or charging for a calendar is bad
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Your response to that comment is funny considering they're now going mobile.
blankempathy
Member
Don't you think if that were true he'd cover all aspects of gaming without worrying about his income? "For the gamers....If I'm getting paid to be". He'd still make money using Nintendo's program but he simply wants all the ad revenue. Then when he tries to go behind their back he wants to cry foul.
Nothing is preventing Nintendo from following a similar strategy. They certainly have the cash on hand, just not the desire to take risks. You could say their new mobile strategy is their all in risk, it should help them gain more relevance (probably not in the way most would prefer).
TheSlySoul
Member
It is nice that Nintendo does not listen to its fanbase. Because they would go bankrupt.
Wii was pretty much the exact opposite what fanboys wanted. Wii U was what they wanted.
I'm totally about the idea that him playing their games gives them exposure, but some of his wording really makes him sound really bratty here. He's not paying Nintendo, he's just not making money from playing their games.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Vis a vis if you want to argue semantics, sure. But other than being under an umbrella, he works on his stuff alone.
The thing about being a Youtuber who covers game, unlike working for say Gamespot or Giantbomb, is that there isn't a consistent paycheck coming in. Nobody pays you on a salary, it all depends about how many people you can get to watch you. It's a lucrative business. So you end up covering what people would want to see, some Youtubers have the freedom to cover what they want to cover and still get views(Pewdiepie or AJ, for example).
Eolz
Member
Wait, isn't that the successful youtuber that is being salty there?
Nintendo isn't, and people defending them aren't either.
Nintendo could give a WiiU to every youtuber that they would not change their nintendo coverage, and would not really change the WiiU sales either.
Nintendo makes video games for people who play video games, also known as "gamers" by many, and AJ doesn't so.........
Blackage
Member
I would call this the opposite in this case, this isn't "If your friends were going to jump off a bridge, would you do it too", because that implies a negative cogitation. I'd say it's more like "All my friends are playing a game and having a good time, but I don't want to because I don't understand how the game works and I might get hurt in the process."
Moon_frogger
Member
Really? nothing to do with joe you say? I wonder why he didn't go through their process to release his video then?? perhaps because they would have turned him down unless he edited out the 20,000 fucks and 15,000 shits uttered in the video?
Are you starting to see what's really going on here?
when some youtuber makes a snarky tweet like 'hope you liked the revenue' here is what they are really thinking:
'please god, don't let the other publishers catch on to this on to this or I'll be poor or out of work entirely'
guys like angry joe are shitting themselves in terror right now. honestly, this type of exposure might be ok for indies or small guys, but If this ends up working out for nintendo you can BET YOUR ASS the other publishers will be all 'i'll take the free publicity AND 60 percent of your revenue, thanks have a great day!!'
J
Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
Sure, maybe the % share isn't fair. I have no way to judge that as Nintendo is the only one that seems to make it public.
As a medium gaming is still in its infancy so the licensing and profit share models that are well developed in other mediums don't really exist yet in gaming.
So yeah you're going to have some growing pains until there is a standardized model in play across the entire medium.
I'm simply arguing that creators should definitely have the right to exercise control over their IP. It doesn't matter if its a large corporation or an individual person.
Would they, I'd like to see some proof. Making arguments based on speculation are always fun though.
But he plays games for a living, edits them, writes scripts, etc etc. Why waste dozens if not hundreds of hours doing that when he could be doing it and making money? Is it a bit selfish? Sure. But it's not bratty.
I will say, though, that the policies were really obvious and he should have known better. That doesn't make Nintendo's active policy not shit, though.
Right, that's why companies like EA and Ubisoft actively pay YouTubers to play their games and upload them to YouTube. Shakin' in dem boots.
nobodyshero
Banned
I find it hard to sympathize with Joe, or any youtuber, in this situation. Videogames are like the only medium on YouTube where this lets play practice is (for some reason) accepted. It's not like you can just post a movie on YouTube and comment over it and call it content.
Plus, I look at a TV show, and the sheer money and pain in the ass paperwork it takes to license a song to use in one episode, and I instantly lose sympathy for a youtuber conplaining that they can't just manhandle other people's content as they wish and make money off it.
Plus, I look at a TV show, and the sheer money and pain in the ass paperwork it takes to license a song to use in one episode, and I instantly lose sympathy for a youtuber conplaining that they can't just manhandle other people's content as they wish and make money off it.
Leafhopper
Banned
You know the answer man.
sensui-tomo
Member
The only time i'd say AJ was for the gamers was that major nelson interview for the xbone, since nobody else asked microsoft wtf to those policies they had back then.
……forgetit
Member
Well Smash Wii U kept it from being dead and instead left it on life support. The thing will be pretty dead by years end though.
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Deleted member 13876
Unconfirmed Member
Only channel I'm currently watching and for people not understanding why people watch this stuff, he's one of the ones giving ample reasons. My first exposure to him was his Marvel vs Capcom videos where he was doing commentary on his own online matches. Here he provided insight on what he was doing, what he could have been doing better. What the opponent was doing, how to exploit his mistakes etc. For someone new to really playing fighting games online a lot of this analysis was helpful.
From there he also started doing character tutorials, but with an unique twist where he'd basically make a little comedy show around it with actors dressed up as the characters and an overarching fun little plot around the series. Good advice, comedy and high production values that he was paying entirely out of his own pocket as the channel didn't really have a lot of subscribers yet and there really weren't any guarantees it would ever make him any real money.
These two types of videos were his main staples for a while, but along the way he ended up doing some more personal videos. Shedding light on some life decisions he's made, a heartfelt video about getting panic attacks and how he was dealing with them and about him growing up in general. He's someone in my age group so a lot of that stuff resonated with me and was also interesting to watch.
Eventually he also started doing Let's Plays of stuff on a separate channel. A lot of the games he covers don't interest me that much and even if they do I'll often just listen to the audio while I'm doing something else. A lot of people have been giving Youtubers and streamers flack because they're supposedly just doing it for the money.
While I'm sure that's true of some people the main reason for watching his channel is that he does a really great job of conveying why he likes these games and tries to get more people engaged in them. The fighting game genre in particular has a history of not being very inviting to new players to the point of disparaging them, whereas he's been very inclusive in trying to get new players to understand the basics and some of the more advanced stuff.
The way companies like Capcom have responded to his channel is also vastly different from what Nintendo's doing here. They've had him be a special commentator at Capcom events, commissioned him to do a video series promoting Marvel vs. Capcom Origins and he's currently working for Iron Galaxy, doing the character trailers for Killer Instinct.
kitchenmotors
Banned
I didn't realize Nintendo was going all in on mobile from here on out.
ShinMaruku
Member
I really, REALLY hate this excuse of "free ad and coverage".
I mean, meanwhile, at Nintendo:
That is exactly why they are doing this. You think Nintendo gives two shits?
I think it's at the point if you want to make money leave Nintendo alone. They don't care about your 'free exposure' I think they believe their brand alone will sell it. Given their long existence I can't say they are wrong.
But if he does a rant, he'll make money off of that.
Beneficial for gamers? His POV has never been beneficial to me as a gamer. Most of his ranting and raving has been about stuff he believe hurts his bottomline while spinning it for the gamers. Which is fine. It's his company and his job. I get it. But to believe he is "for the gamers?" Please.
Joe and Youtubers are about protecting his bottom line. Which is what a company does. Big or small.
BTW, is that Wii U donated or not? If so, why is he lying?
Sora the Cat
Member
Exactly, totally agree.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Nintendo makes products that sell. For example, even though many people want Mother 3 in the west, Nintendo still hasn't brought it to the west, leaving the people who play video games, Known as "Gamers" by many, to translate it themselves and distribute it themselves to the west.
So he doesn't want Nintendo profiting from his content? The irony and lack of self awareness in that statement is hilarious.
Thank you for your post, considering this is what you do. So, a question: I know how much time and effort can go to video editing. I also know that Angry Joe runs a community for online games and they go play every now and then. They need to buy and maintain servers. So do you think that the reason might be the amount of time he needs to dedicate to all of this and, considering what he may get in result isn't enough for him, he might just think it's not worth the effort to participate in Nintendo's program?
ClosingADoor
Member
Would have been smarter by him to just say nothing and then not make videos. What is the point of throwing this out there? Nintendo won't change their stance and are totally in their right to claim the content according to the current Youtube rules. The only thing he now gets is the deserved backlash.
The whole 'for gamers' is bullshit. These guys get paid for this stuff, so if it is really all for gamers, don't whine about getting maybe 1% of your videos blocked from earnings. Eat that cost of you are there 'for the gamers'. Whatever that is supposed to mean.
The whole 'for gamers' is bullshit. These guys get paid for this stuff, so if it is really all for gamers, don't whine about getting maybe 1% of your videos blocked from earnings. Eat that cost of you are there 'for the gamers'. Whatever that is supposed to mean.
Server cost is really nothing when it comes to costs. Beside that, Youtubers don't have hosting costs, don't need to manage their CMS and all kinds of other costs that come with it. The only costs are equipment ($5.000 for camera, audio, recording, whatever and that is being generous considering the image and sound quality most videos have on there) and salaries (maybe there is an editing guy or whatever, but mostly it is one person thing).
Barkley's Justice
Member
Something to get "angry" about and rally around! What else is new, videogamers?!
Furfuryl Furforate
Banned
Is anyone arguing against that? The argument is a strawman, Nintendo is absolutely in their right to claim all the ad revenue or to have it taken down.
Just like with that Super Mario 64 Unity demo, it's whether should execute said right that's the issue.