mr teaspoon
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If it results in less Angry Joe videos, I'm for it.
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AngryJoe receives a Nintendo copyright claim. Hope they enjoyed the ad revenue; Done
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Not the same. Do not think this is a hobby for them. It's their job. Most, if not all of the biggest YouTubers don't work on anything else. Just as mainstream journalists get paid with salaries and their employers get paid with ads in their sites, YouTubers have to pay for equipment, filming and video editing. That's with YouTube Ads. If a company like Nintendo doesn't like that, then fine, it's their choice, but it's a really bad one considering how they could benefit.
Of course it's not kindness. I am a developer and I can honestly say that exposure is the real reason and there's no point in hiding it. Some AAA companies still have no idea on how to handle YouTube, Twitch and others. They could do a lot better.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Why do you care that people have an opinion on something? This is a message board after all.
lol
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
AJ just got a Wii U, so chances were pretty good he was going to start covering their games.
But this is clever on Nintendo's part, because only the most loyal will lie down like door mats to continue spreading the good word of Nintendo. That guarantees them nothing but favorable YouTube coverage, and high review scores.
This. Just because certain companies are more lax about it, doesn't mean Nintendo has to be.
It's also worth noting that control is very important to studios/publishers/devs at times. They have to wonder how you'll represent their product. They also have to wonder if a disastrous bug is going to be revealed and potentially harm their sales.
There are some games that probably benefit from major Tubers doing 'let's plays', but Mario Party 10 I doubt was one of them.
YoKai isn't even worldwide and still gets memotioned in bad argumemts before Pokémon.
Gamefreak am cry
KingHenrik30
Member
I don't think Nintendo gives a shit
Nintendo is free to remove their content from any video that does not comply with their policy, no matter how dumb it is. What Nintendo should be concerned about is perception that people have about that company, and doing things like this, even if the video does not comply with their poliCY. Microsoft/sony/ea etc seem to not have a problem with this and videos like this are great for word of mouth marketing. Now im more willing to be more interested in their products instead of Nintendo's, i can see people enjoying the game, so how it plays out, then decide if i want to purchase those games. Being able to experience games with individuals, even if not directly, is how society has moved for game entertainment. I don't care to buy Nintendo's products and probably won't in the near future. The seem to stick with how they want to do things and not what the general audience wants. Nintendo is not embracing the future of this type of entertainment while the others are. I don't want Nintendo's future of gaming, and console sales of competitor's shows a future I want.
PeskyToaster
Member
Seems a bit backwards for Nintendo. Most companies are cultivating the streaming and video making environment.
fastballspecial
Member
This this this.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Yes, because Frozen is such good, original content.
Nintendo has created some of their best software in years on the Wii U.
His comment didn't even deserve a response.
Guest12345678
Member
Nintendo only appealing to nintendo fans is why their in their current predicament.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I should have looked at your post history and the post you made in this thread before talking to you.
Don't bother answering me, I got my answer.
TheSlySoul
Member
Yes, this was why the program was made. They want to control what content gets made about their games. Does not matter good or bad, as long as they have some control.
It is pretty crappy IMO.
Right, but this also falls under the, "If your friends were going to jump off a bridge, would you do it to" type of situation. Nintendo can do whatever they want with their products. It may not be all that friendly for them to do so, but they're well within their right, and it ultimately isn't likely to hurt their sales.
Nintendo hasn't been transparent about how they feel about youtube videos of their content and provided an avenue for those who wanted to continue to do so. He knew about it, didn't want to do that and continued to make videos. Don't know why he felt he was an exception or why he's angry that over Nintendo doing exactly what they said they were going to do.
Stop making Nintendo videos or sign up for their program or if you're such a big deal get in contact with the company to work out a better deal, but don't whine and act like you were doing Nintendo a huge favor by covering their games at all. Obviously, they disagree.
Stop making Nintendo videos or sign up for their program or if you're such a big deal get in contact with the company to work out a better deal, but don't whine and act like you were doing Nintendo a huge favor by covering their games at all. Obviously, they disagree.
I should say that I changed appeal to mindshare which is more accurate. Nintendo properties maintain appeal to all sorts of demographics, but their mindshare as part of popular culture and the public is diminishing.
The people most excited about Mario no longer are children, but people that grew up with Nintendo. Contrast that with Disney and you see them continuously remaining finding new things that appeal and retain mindshare (even if they have to buy stuff instead of inventing it).
call_kotaku
Member
Which is the real tragedy here
kitchenmotors
Banned
So because... I like Nintendo, I can't have an opinion or answer to you? Get off your high horse.
Pennywise83
Banned
Nintendo did as well. Just look at the output of the last two-three years. Plenty of high-quality games.
This argument is poor. You could say that for every platform.
"360 would have been screwed without Halo, GTA and COD"
"Ps4 would be screwed without Destiny, COD and GTA".
Etc.
3DS has much more than only YW and MH. In fact, Nintendo has several multi-million sellers worldwide: Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Pokémon, Mario platforms; hell, even Luigi's Mansion 2 sold 4m.
El Sabroso
Member
he uploaded the rant right now
Moon_frogger
Member
Hahahahaha. Ok so I watched one of his videos for reference. Now I have an informed opinion that i'd like to share.
First of all, His youtube channel is for 10 year olds. The only difference between this and and 'blues clues' is that Steve from blues clues didn't say 'FUCK SHIT BITCH' every other word out of his mouth. Why is this relevant? Were talking about nintendo, who tightly control their brand with an iron fist. Do you think they want 2 million kids watching some video of Super mario screaming 'FUCK YOU DIE BITCH' at princess peach? No. That's why their revenue process is pre approved because believe it or not, the all mighty dollar is not the only factor for nintendo. they believe in their brand. They don't want it tarnished by half wits like this guy. they are well within their rights to take steps to control how it's presented.
Do you really think nintendo cares about some abnoxious youtuber's revunue scream when said youtuber is shitting up the brand screaming 'FUCK YOU FUCKING DIE' at mario? whey don't they just announce 'Mario VS Mortal Kombat' or 'GTA: mario edition.'
I mean, Those products would sell right? Probably make them more money than angry joe's youtube revenue, right? is nintendo stupid? do they hate money? no. They just care about their brand.
First of all, His youtube channel is for 10 year olds. The only difference between this and and 'blues clues' is that Steve from blues clues didn't say 'FUCK SHIT BITCH' every other word out of his mouth. Why is this relevant? Were talking about nintendo, who tightly control their brand with an iron fist. Do you think they want 2 million kids watching some video of Super mario screaming 'FUCK YOU DIE BITCH' at princess peach? No. That's why their revenue process is pre approved because believe it or not, the all mighty dollar is not the only factor for nintendo. they believe in their brand. They don't want it tarnished by half wits like this guy. they are well within their rights to take steps to control how it's presented.
Do you really think nintendo cares about some abnoxious youtuber's revunue scream when said youtuber is shitting up the brand screaming 'FUCK YOU FUCKING DIE' at mario? whey don't they just announce 'Mario VS Mortal Kombat' or 'GTA: mario edition.'
I mean, Those products would sell right? Probably make them more money than angry joe's youtube revenue, right? is nintendo stupid? do they hate money? no. They just care about their brand.
lol, nah. I think the main difference is that Disney has Marvel and Star Wars.
Nintendo has nothing of the sort. The comparison might make sense if it was on the case of only Disney with nothing else they have attached to them.
pinkurocket
Member
It's not just about defending Nintendo, it's about how these youtubers overreact when they are hit with these copyright claims." Give part of my profits to Nintendo?? No, I'm not going to upload Nintendo ever again!" It's like a young kid being angry he doesn't get to eat candy before dinner. Nintendo's system is a bit like a censor and it ads guidelines that most don't want to bother with, but rather than try and help them improve the system they just stop bothering with it altogether from the get-go.
As far as I'm aware the system is in beta. And I assume being part of a large network like Polaris, one could at least try and discuss this in an adult manner within the company with connections to experts and lawyers.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Didn't he already make that video the last time this happened?
So he prefers to throw a tantrum instead of signing up to a program (that has been known for quite a while) and taking in some revenue, even if a cut goes to Nintendo.
It's not the first time he complains about this either, so I assume he's just going with this angry persona people like so much for some reason. It's especially ridiculous considering a fan donated him the money to buy a Wii U.
There are plenty of good points in both sides of the camp when it comes to video monetization, but I find the entitlement some of these guys have about making money off someone else's work absolutely embarrassing.
It's not the first time he complains about this either, so I assume he's just going with this angry persona people like so much for some reason. It's especially ridiculous considering a fan donated him the money to buy a Wii U.
There are plenty of good points in both sides of the camp when it comes to video monetization, but I find the entitlement some of these guys have about making money off someone else's work absolutely embarrassing.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
No because instead of having a proper conversation you respond with personal attack and "lol".
Ok thanks for your response. So it's more about how they react and expect money of I understand correctly.
Eolz
Member
Joke post? It has nothing to do with Joe. They would do this against anyone, even a 10 year old who shouts that he loves Mario if he/she's monetizing it.
My response:
This is fucking stupid. It's a guy playing a videogame and commenting while he plays. How is your analogy anything like the same.. If you showed Angry Joe's video and inserted your own tangible content over it (although I can't see how that's possible and at the same time be left with something of worth..), perhaps a little closer, but still a utterly idiotic analogy.
J
Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
A creator having control over their IP is crappy? Some crazy mental loops going on here.
Alternatively people would still be making the same argument even if Nintendo was swapped with millions of other creators.
Trying to paint people as Nintendo fanboys for making an argument is, well, ignorant to say the least.
Starchasing
Member
So AngryJoe is a little angel that does all this FOR US GAMERS, not so he can make money?
PS: AngreJoe is just a very small company of one, so no reason to defend him either.
TheSlySoul
Member
How many are original IPs though? Did those IPs sale? The only Nintendo games to get into top 10 year end sales was Smash Brothers and Pokémon, both which was mostly 3DS games.
The Last of Us managed top 10 during 2013 I think.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Don't put words into my mouth, I never made personal attacks.
NoirVisage
Banned
new generation, different ideas of whats ethical I imagine.
They want to control of how their content is monetized. Perfectly within their right and nothing weird or unreasonable. Some companies play it closer to the vest. If they want to play it that way, good for them. Bad business decision? Maybe, but they're not in the wrong in any way otherwise.
What I find silly is people thinking Nintendo is doing something offensive here. They're not saying he can't make and put up a video, just that he can monetize them without their permission on their terms. Seems completely fair to me. If he really feels he's being treated unfairly or that he's got a right to broadcast someone's IP for money without their ok, he's got a major lack of perspective and huge sense of entitlement, but then again it's probably in his best business interest to keep his shtick and make a big show of it.
Someone said that his subscribers donated money specifically so that he could buy a Wii U and games. So, in a sense, he was obligated to give Nintendo the money.
nobodyshero
Banned
So was the Wii U donated by people or not? This matters a lot in how much sympathy I have
I have nothing against Joe, but I hear him whining about the fact that he paid for the WIi U and all the accessories. Wasn't the Wii U donated to him? I remember hearing this, not sure though.
EDIT: nobodyshero, you plagiarist. :lol
I can't honestly say how bad the Creators Program is for YouTubers because I'm not one, but taking only a part of the revenue and considering Google also takes a cut (I think), I can at least imagine why it is a big headache. Not only that, but Nintendo restricts which of their games can be monetised. Super Smash Bros. can't, for example.
blankempathy
Member
"Published on Apr 4, 2015
This is the final Nintendo Angry Rant and the Final Nintendo Video on this channel. Tired of these guys claiming our videos as their own. While other companies are understanding how valuable the youtube gaming community is, Nintendo only see's free labor and dollar signs.
Because of that attitude, I wont be covering Mario Kart, Mario Party, Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid and whatever 17th version of the same game Nintendo wants people to talk about on youtube until they pull their heads out of their asses and stop claiming videos.
Nintendo thinks they need control of your content through their rev share program which takes 40% of your earnings on top of what youtube takes, on top of what your managed channel network takes. And obviously with their approval and permission."
Hes acting like a baby. "Oh nintendo was mean to me, let me insult them cause they're mean!"
Eolz
Member
And did youtubers cover those original IPs, even before Nintendo introduced their "creator program"? Where was that "free ad revenue"?
TheSlySoul
Member
People also underestimated how much Smash Wii U would help Wii U sales.
I don't think he is a company of one I'm not a big fan of his but I think I remember someone in another thread saying he was a part of a bigger company that might have bought him I don't remember, maybe someone else can confirm.
The issue with the creators program is not the control, but how unfair the channels are punished. Nintendo takes 30% or 40% of your money and each video takes about 3 days to get approved.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
In a nutshell.
It's actually fun how people are attacking the person instead of the situation itself. Yeah, Joe is loud and what not. But Nintendo's policy is archaic and bad.
He probably belongs to one of the networks, but other than him and other joe he does his editing/recording by himself.
People defended Nintendo not including an AC adapter in the new 3DS. I'm not shocked about anything regarding people's defense of Nintendo anymore.