Compsiox
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Convincing someone to be a PC gamer.
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GreatestHits
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Stupid is the wrong word. Sheep, yes
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. You can't convinve anyone to be a PC gamer, they see it how they see it
Pc's, mods, and upgradeability are unattractive at first glance to a consumer in the current market IMO
Compsiox
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Why did they cover Gabes face?
The pic speak for itself.
Eh that sounds more like you wanted to get into pc gaming. Be it disenchantment over the console platforms or something else. By your own admission you went digging which means something raised your interest.
On topic, if he went from ps3 to mobile, isn't it more about convenience or the software? Rather than brag out the tech specs, mention how steam and the card manufacturers automatically update. Alternatively, DOTA/LOL and so forth.
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The pic speak for itself.
This cult of gaben led to so much initial disappointment. The Amazon sales were frequently better and the discounts haven't been quite impressive as everyone makes.
Sarcastico
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Thank god he's more open minded.
CornBurrito
Member
Honestly the last couple of steam sales haven't been so great.
Then whats stopping you ?
Invite him over and play some coop stuffs like Trine, L4D, Alien Swarm, Portals .... Its not like you can make his PC gaming disinterest worse.
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Deleted member 17706
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Best of luck, but I just don't see a scenario where someone satisfied with mobile games will appreciate the value of a good PC. In general, PC gaming is for the enthusiasts who want the most out of their experience. Mobile games are at the complete opposite end of the spectrum outside of a few unique titles.
flaxknuckles
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That's pretty true. There are better deals nearly daily on other sites. I just check out Dealzon.
Vulcano's assistant
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because we own everything we want already, a person's first sale is always the best. (Franchise and publisher game bundles were better than what we get now, though, in that I agree)
99% of gamers don't give 2 shits about playing in 4k at 120fps with draw distance cranked up.
He doesn't like what you like...this is like telling a girl who dumped you why she shouldn't have. Let it go man. If something PC gaming related catches his fancy, he'll hop in. But mobile and console gaming is just an easier experience, a more comfortable experience, a more accessible experience..and for many THAT is what makes a better experience, not all the performance aspects.
PC is the king of tech, but sometimes its more fun to play with the commoners.
He doesn't like what you like...this is like telling a girl who dumped you why she shouldn't have. Let it go man. If something PC gaming related catches his fancy, he'll hop in. But mobile and console gaming is just an easier experience, a more comfortable experience, a more accessible experience..and for many THAT is what makes a better experience, not all the performance aspects.
PC is the king of tech, but sometimes its more fun to play with the commoners.
cm osi
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how about we don't insult them because they don't play on pc?
there's nothing wrong playing only on console, pc or mobile. it's a hobby and everyone can do whatever they want
Lactose_Intolerant
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I disagree, most people aren't benchmarking their machine to get the best settings. They are playing games with settings better than what you can get on console for sure, but they aren't wading into .ini files. That's for the minority.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Man, this is the sort of stuff that's pretty toxic.
Also the condescending attitude of mobile games not being real games.
Beerman462
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This is not the same situation, but I got a friend of mine back into PC gaming. He was still playing games, but had abandoned PC when the 360 came out. We talked about games at work and while we would play CoD on 360, I also played a lot of stuff on PC, while he stuck to consoles. When I talked about PC at work he really didn't seem interested, but I never really cared much or tried to convince him to get a PC.
Well, we lived in the same neighborhood and I went to his place a couple times to drink and watch movies. He got me into Dark Souls and Demons Souls and introduced me to some movies I would have never watched. One weekend I told to come by my place. I decided to hook my PC up to the TV and play some Dead Space 2. He was blown away and decided to build a PC. Now he still plays consoles, but he plays a lot on PC too.
Don't listen to the people in this thread telling you to leave him alone. Just have him come by sometime and show him some games. If he still isn't interested, then drop it. You might get him interested in some games he would have never played. Sometimes you just have to see something before you know what you're missing.
Akhe
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DarthWalden
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This elitist attitude is such BS.
PCs have there advantages but ultimately they are not designed for the living room like consoles are. Building a good PC takes understanding and knowledge of what parts to buy and how to put them together and is at least double the price of an XB1 if you want to see those performance gains. People are not sheeps or stupid for playing on consoles. I've built PCs for myself and my freinds, it's not difficult but for someone who doesn't really have any understanding of how a computer works it can be an intimidating process.
Are people who pay someone to change the oil in there car stupid or sheeps? It's super easy and it'll save you a bunch of money but it does take some understanding of how a car works and a bit of cost up front to get the parts to do it... I'm sure there is a legion of car junkies somewhere who think they have a higher level of intelligence then most folks because they change there own oil. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess.
If I was to fire up the pc tonight probably BF4 but then spend an hour or so trying to find a server that isn't full of rooftop snipers which are level 150+ and a German dude precision mouse flying the shit out of the little bird.
I'd probably get frustrated by that 30 mins later and go play it on the PS4 where things are a little bit more pedestrian.
CreepingFear
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I don't feel the need to evangelize. If someone wants to find pc gaming on their own and asks for my advice/knowledge, then I'd be glad to help.
I was thinking earlier about how I'd go about showing someone games in general and I'm curious. Are you going to say, play the games or run them for him? I was thinking if I was showing someone games I'd have a bunch ready that'd interest him. Let him browse the selection and choose himself. As opposed to a curated experience or showing him your favorites.
Moon_frogger
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Just the sheer wealth of amazing creativity in pc game development alone is why no serious gamer should ever be without one. At least a laptop for some of the indies or something.
magnumpy
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Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what,
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine.
And together we'll be fine....
Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Yes it does.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what,
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine.
And together we'll be fine....
Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Yes it does.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Compsiox
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You sir are a true hero. Thanks for this.Right, I made this for you.
Fixed = D
Compsiox
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If you care about graphics what I said is true. The technology that pc introduces also allows for larger more exciting games.
wolfhowwl
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Maybe instead of not understanding that the "Wii U + PC combo is the best" they simply disagree with your opinion. For someone with little interest in Nintendo content it is poor value while they may have more interest in titles like Bloodborne, Persona, or Uncharted making a PS4 the better complement.
Haunted
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You can make a case for all the things you really like about PC gaming to see if any of that resonates with someone, but trying to "convince" them to like what you like is always a losing battle because of how quickly it can transition from "Hey man, you should check out all this neat stuff" to simply badgering them.
So yeah, feel free to bring it up once or twice in an appropriate context, but don't press the issue. If they're not interested now, you're probably just going to sour them on it. If they become interested later, they'll know who to ask.
So yeah, feel free to bring it up once or twice in an appropriate context, but don't press the issue. If they're not interested now, you're probably just going to sour them on it. If they become interested later, they'll know who to ask.
More_Badass
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I just can't imagine where the PC elitist hatred comes from
CornBurrito
Member
A lot of interesting indie games on PC are on mobile now too.
derExperte
Member
Getting someone high on heroin has a 99% success rate too. OP, don't be that guy.
I convinced my sister to try pc gaming and helped her get her first gaming capable pc. Now she freaking loves it.
I don't see why so many posters here are so against sharing your hobbies/passions with friends and such. You never know they may really get into it and share those experiences with you.
Also friends are what got me into pc gaming as well... lol
I don't see why so many posters here are so against sharing your hobbies/passions with friends and such. You never know they may really get into it and share those experiences with you.
Also friends are what got me into pc gaming as well... lol
Yes, I agree, does he not have feelings at all?? He needs to start think about what he's doing. I mean, he is actually about to subject his own friend to PC gaming for christ's sake! It's exactly like injecting cancer straight into his veins.
I, as some one who prefers console gaming, still would say it is miles above mobile gaming. If for nothing else, I don't care how crappy you claim the controller is (I personally was fine with it. In some ways I like it better than the DS4 honestly), it's still better than trying to do touch controls. Especially if you prefer games that need decent reflexes and accurate game inputs. Sure, mobile games are great for puzzle games and stuff that you can take your time and look where you are hitting. But nothing beats physical controls when you don't want to have to pay attention to your controller and just know where you are hitting is where you need to hit without looking. And I enjoyed some games that would be better with physical controls (like Assassin's Creed and Prince of Persia both on my iphone). I can still admit they would have been better with a dualshock 3 (that "horrid" controller. Btw, I like that "horrid" controller).
And the PS3 still got better games for what I like than mobile. Most of what I played on mobile before I got a PS3 (budget and figured I already owned an iphone so I'd just use it) was stuff that would have been better on a PS3... so no, I don't think if you are going to play on a PS3 you might as well just play on mobile. I played on mobile cause it was cheap and I already owned the system. Soon as I got my pS3 I haven't touched any of my iphone games (and I got quite a collection now). Oh, and by the time I got my PS3, I found it for 150 used, so it wasn't like it was expensive ( I agree it was far overpriced for a game console when it came out. Though if you were looking for a blu ray player apparently it was dirt cheap compared to the other ones).
Try playing Skyrim or Fallout (the new school ones) on a phone. Yeah, PS3 is the worst place to play those games, but in my opinion, better than not being able to at all (and yes, mods for Bethesda games are the one thing I'm jealous of PC games. And I fully acknowledge PC is the best place for those games). There are just some style games you don't even get on mobile (I did find one open world WRPG game. But it's got even more simplified combat than Skyrim which I hear plenty of people complaining on how simple the combat is. And no crafting system at all).
So, it's really silly to say that there is no reason to play PS3 over mobile. It's still a better experience for your traditional style video games. Sure, puzzle games and games designed around a touch interface work well on mobile. But most of those are great time wasters in my opinion and not equivalent to stuff like Skyrim, Prince of Persia, GTA (which is far better with physical controls... far far better), Deus Ex.
And yes, if some one is not even interested in playing on a PS3 which I would say is still more convenient than PC (and he's obviously playing mobile for convenience), then I don't really see why he'd be interested enough in a PC. Especially if he's "meh" when you tell him the graphics are so much better.
As for OP, it sounds like it's no big deal, it sounds like his friend is happy to come see his PC and gaming so it's not a huge deal OP tries as the friend sounds willing to check it out. It's a huge deal though if OP keeps badgering him if he shows no interest (or starts giving this attitude that PC gaming is the one true gaming and everything else is "stupid"). That just makes for an annoying friend.
The only way to get someone reluctant to play on any platform is through games.
On PC that usually means something like:
DOTA/LoL
Civilisations,
CS
an MMO.
Or really, any other good MP game you can play together.
Also, if he gave up on console, that's not the first kind of game i'd try.
On PC that usually means something like:
DOTA/LoL
Civilisations,
CS
an MMO.
Or really, any other good MP game you can play together.
Also, if he gave up on console, that's not the first kind of game i'd try.
This guy gets it....
.(though in OPs case it sounds like the friend isn't too abject to looking at it. The problem happens if OP insists on keeping pestering him if he's still like, "Yeah, that's nice but not really interested").
Darryl M R
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As a console gamer (been one my whole life) I like the idea of being a PC gamer but it just doesn't seem feasible for my lifestyle. It's not the price. It's that I enjoy playing games casually, I like to pick up a controller, lay in my bed or on my couch and turn on whatever TV I'm using and just play. When I personally think of PC gaming I think that players have a stronger commitment to the games they are playing, such as gaming sessions are 1-2 hours+ instead of jumping on for a quick 30 minute game then leaving. Or being able to chat casually with a significant other while eating food and playing a game. It's probably just a mental barrier I have for myself that is skewed but even when I've been planning on getting an upgraded PC that I will be using for work and games I just don't see myself playing games (that are not PC exclusive) on it.
I never understood how casual turned into an insult on some online forums but I am most definitely a casual gamer. I'm not a youtuber or a pro-gamer, I just play video games for fun and I feel like console gaming fits in my lifestyle better.
I never understood how casual turned into an insult on some online forums but I am most definitely a casual gamer. I'm not a youtuber or a pro-gamer, I just play video games for fun and I feel like console gaming fits in my lifestyle better.
Civ should definitely be shown.
Going by OP's later posts that's exactly what he's doing, casual conversation about gaming and the benefits of PCs led to him inviting his friend over to check it out, who accepted and seems interested. The title makes it sound a bit dogmatic but that doesn't seem to be the case at all.
Let's go serious, no emotions, no nothing whining or similar stuff.
I love gaming, I play and buy a lot of games but most of them are about one year after release.
I would say every one game of twenty is a purchase after a month (this year will be exceptional, a lot of games are going to be bought after a few days when I know that the games are not broken or infested with DLCs I care about.
While I love gaming, I watch a lot of youtube shows, write on Skype, go to youtube, twitch, work on my stuff and (of course) play video games on it.
Games are really cheap even if they're not on sale and thanks to r/gamedeals I've got a lot of games I'm interested in for a fantastic price.
4p couch gaming is really important and every person has his own taste in controllers.
On pc everyone can choose his favorite controller (I've currently two DS3, two 360 pads and one sfiv arcade tournament edition stick for xbox/pc).
We can choose from a gigantic library of games, from smaller indie fun titles like samurai gun, lethal league, Spelunky and more we can also choose games like Blur (1080p/60fps), Sonic All stars racing transformed, Unreal Tournament 3 (modded and works great with bots in 4p), Left 4 dead 2 (modded, 4p on multiple displays), Borderlands 2 (same as L4D2) and emulation in 4k of MK/ Project M 3.5, Def Jam fight for NY, Fifa Street 2 and Double Dash (that's what we playing so far in 4p games, I didn't even mentioned 2p games, it would just explode the list.
Everything on high resolution and framerate without expensive peripherals with controllers we don't like.
And I have a really big list of games on steam I haven't even touched and it's growing and growing...
In other hand three guys I personally know bought a PS4.
One of them is a little to obsessed with Souls and Persona and that was his reason to buy a PS4.
He just used it for a few days for games like Destiny and Knack but even he know it sucks but he's waiting for those two games and a few Japanese games (which could be announced on pc too, currently a lot of Japanese devs see the potential on pc).
My cousin in other hand sold his 360 and bought a PS4.
He played about three months only Fifa 14, the few PS Plus games and a bit Destiny (which he sold just a week later) and he bought CoD Advanced Warfare and GTA V and thanks to my PS Plus account he has all plus games until January 2015 (I've bought PS Plus for one year for my Vita) and he really is bored with it but won't switch to pc because he loves Playstation and they will release some day good exclusives like God of War and Uncharted.
The last person also has a PC but he bought one of those prebuild gaming pc's (the graphics card is really bad for the price but of course it's still leagues ahead of any console).
He got his PS4 on last Christmas with destiny and he actually enjoys it despite the flaws
He doesn't have a lot of games (only Knack and Destiny) and can't find any game in which he's interested in.
He doesn't have a lot of time and his last playing session was in January and he told me that he is a crazy Crash Bandicoot and Sony fan and bought it for that (which is not even announced, just teased).
TL;DR
Owning a current gen console even with PC doesn't even make sense if you're weird enough to buy it for one or two games.
I love gaming, I play and buy a lot of games but most of them are about one year after release.
I would say every one game of twenty is a purchase after a month (this year will be exceptional, a lot of games are going to be bought after a few days when I know that the games are not broken or infested with DLCs I care about.
While I love gaming, I watch a lot of youtube shows, write on Skype, go to youtube, twitch, work on my stuff and (of course) play video games on it.
Games are really cheap even if they're not on sale and thanks to r/gamedeals I've got a lot of games I'm interested in for a fantastic price.
4p couch gaming is really important and every person has his own taste in controllers.
On pc everyone can choose his favorite controller (I've currently two DS3, two 360 pads and one sfiv arcade tournament edition stick for xbox/pc).
We can choose from a gigantic library of games, from smaller indie fun titles like samurai gun, lethal league, Spelunky and more we can also choose games like Blur (1080p/60fps), Sonic All stars racing transformed, Unreal Tournament 3 (modded and works great with bots in 4p), Left 4 dead 2 (modded, 4p on multiple displays), Borderlands 2 (same as L4D2) and emulation in 4k of MK/ Project M 3.5, Def Jam fight for NY, Fifa Street 2 and Double Dash (that's what we playing so far in 4p games, I didn't even mentioned 2p games, it would just explode the list.
Everything on high resolution and framerate without expensive peripherals with controllers we don't like.
And I have a really big list of games on steam I haven't even touched and it's growing and growing...
In other hand three guys I personally know bought a PS4.
One of them is a little to obsessed with Souls and Persona and that was his reason to buy a PS4.
He just used it for a few days for games like Destiny and Knack but even he know it sucks but he's waiting for those two games and a few Japanese games (which could be announced on pc too, currently a lot of Japanese devs see the potential on pc).
My cousin in other hand sold his 360 and bought a PS4.
He played about three months only Fifa 14, the few PS Plus games and a bit Destiny (which he sold just a week later) and he bought CoD Advanced Warfare and GTA V and thanks to my PS Plus account he has all plus games until January 2015 (I've bought PS Plus for one year for my Vita) and he really is bored with it but won't switch to pc because he loves Playstation and they will release some day good exclusives like God of War and Uncharted.
The last person also has a PC but he bought one of those prebuild gaming pc's (the graphics card is really bad for the price but of course it's still leagues ahead of any console).
He got his PS4 on last Christmas with destiny and he actually enjoys it despite the flaws
He doesn't have a lot of games (only Knack and Destiny) and can't find any game in which he's interested in.
He doesn't have a lot of time and his last playing session was in January and he told me that he is a crazy Crash Bandicoot and Sony fan and bought it for that (which is not even announced, just teased).
TL;DR
Owning a current gen console even with PC doesn't even make sense if you're weird enough to buy it for one or two games.
That's nice but you're using one console to make your point in an argument about in general consoles vs. PC. I point this out cause previous gen consoles have a ton of games and one of your friends issues is getting a console right at the beginning of its life (and yes, that's a downside of consoles, no back catalog cause they usually aren't backwards compatible).
My point is not everyone wants the same out of gaming as you. I'm honestly fine with either the PS4 or xbox controller so being able to choose controllers is not a huge deal. And even if it is, there is such thing as aftermarket controllers for consoles too (Hell, there's one for the PS3 that looks like a 360 controller if you like that one better).
I don't want to have to worry about if this game will work on my computer or not. I like with consoles that if I buy it for that console, it will work on that console. And if it doesn't work near as well as they claim, reviews will slam them for it.
I like playing on my TV and I don't like playing on my computer (because I get distracted by internet and other such stuff and it kills immersion for me). The console has much better interface for a screen that you aren't sitting right next to honestly.
Also, I'm not stuck to going with Windows for my computer. A console is a cheap extra to make up for the fact I like Mac (and I think we all can agree macs are not a superior gaming computer).
Yes, there are some games better on keyboard than controller (*cough* flight sim *cough*). But for me the big ones just aren't around anymore (Flight sims).
I honestly don't miss worrying on if my graphics card is right for the game or figuring out if my graphics card is as good as what they claim (especially when these days you have to know graphics card tech to know what each name means.... Can't just go this graphics card has a higher number than this one).
I'm fine with graphics as long as they are good enough. Yeah, shinier graphics are neat but I'm more interested in convenience/couch play.
The only thing I really miss with PCs is the mods you can get for Bethesda games. And that's just not enough to outweigh the stuff I prefer about consoles.
I'm not saying PCs aren't better for games. I'm saying for me, a console is more the right place. Oh, and that I'm not stupid because I am willing to make some sacrficies for other priorities that aren't on your radar. I just want something different out of gaming (and that's what pisses me off about PC elitists, this attitude that you're stupid unless you agree with them that everyone must go PC). Hell, I'm not even unaware of the benefits of PC, I just choose console for my own personal reasons. What I want and you want are not going to be the same. We're different people.
So just because a person lost interest in playing on a PS3..you assume automatically that they would lose interest playing on a PC as well?
Just because you hate chicken doesn't mean you will hate fish. Just because you hate tomatoes doesn't mean you will hate potatoes. Just because you hate driving a car doesn't mean you will hate riding a motorcycle. They are different things. The PS3 and PC have about as much in common as Mobile/PS3 does. They are nothing alike. You'd have to be a terrible friend to think this way. The only thing you are doing is neglecting your friend a whole different way of playing games. There are thousands of games that are exclusive to PC and you will never see them on a console. And not all of them are about graphics. The most popular PC games today are the ones that have the worst graphics anyways.
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Deleted member 17706
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I don't think we do disagree, since I didn't say any of that.
They're not. And if this was a: "How to convince your firend to try PS4 games" thread, you'd see that. But it isn't. It's about PC gaming.
That's not ok with a LOT of gaffers.
JimmyRustler
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Sounds like your friend doesn't need convincing. Different strokes. Let it be.
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Deleted member 17706
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Not trying to convince you of anything, but you're stretching the truth a bit.
Plenty of counter examples of this. You can't trust reviews to point out technical flaws, especially if they are done in a bubble before launch. Last year has more than enough examples of this. At least with the PC you generally have the ability to make things better instead of just waiting for a patch that may or may not fix the issue.
Which console does? Steam big picture is pretty neat. You can configure your computer to boot into it so you don't even deal with Linux/Windows. It might take a bit more initial set up time, but it's not a massive effort.
I don't think anyone is suggesting you own only one computer. That's a false dilemma.
Except that the genre is seeing a bit of a revival right now...
Buy a decent Nvidia card and use the recommended settings via the GeForce Experience program. Takes maybe 10 minutes of research to find a good video card. Less if you just ask in the GAF thread and have people recommend you something good.
Cool. Good thing you can have both on PC.
I think the issue is that you're proposing false dilemmas and incorrect assumptions in an attempt to justify your choice of console *over* PC. Let's forget for a second that there's no reason to choose just one. If you don't want to bother with a PC, that's fine. No one really cares. You don't need to make shit up to justify it, though.
Plenty of counter examples of this. You can't trust reviews to point out technical flaws, especially if they are done in a bubble before launch. Last year has more than enough examples of this. At least with the PC you generally have the ability to make things better instead of just waiting for a patch that may or may not fix the issue.
Which console does? Steam big picture is pretty neat. You can configure your computer to boot into it so you don't even deal with Linux/Windows. It might take a bit more initial set up time, but it's not a massive effort.
I don't think anyone is suggesting you own only one computer. That's a false dilemma.
Except that the genre is seeing a bit of a revival right now...
Buy a decent Nvidia card and use the recommended settings via the GeForce Experience program. Takes maybe 10 minutes of research to find a good video card. Less if you just ask in the GAF thread and have people recommend you something good.
Cool. Good thing you can have both on PC.
I think the issue is that you're proposing false dilemmas and incorrect assumptions in an attempt to justify your choice of console *over* PC. Let's forget for a second that there's no reason to choose just one. If you don't want to bother with a PC, that's fine. No one really cares. You don't need to make shit up to justify it, though.