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This post made me laugh so much lol
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Good article on why Black Panther could be a game changer for Superhero films.
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This post made me laugh so much lol
Did you not read the thread?
Haha I'm kidding, you obviously didn't, that's really just a formality comment.
You can read page one where the prediction of freakouts and planning of teardrinking happens, and presumably throughout from there. Given that a certain segment of the population will freak out about just about anything, it's a safe bet. But it's weird.
SamuelSupreme
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They aint ready for Black Panther but my body is so reggie.....Batman is the white Black Panther confirmed.
Plus, it didn't have that big Disney push. When I went to see it, they're were no big posters, no cutouts, just one small poster essentially saying 'oh yeah, we got some Wesley snipes movie too.'
User 73706
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He gets a snarky old white guy sidekick who dies one day from retirement.
Bobby Roberts
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Again - that's IF Marvel actually represents Wakanda in a faithful-ish manner onscreen.
Marvel's adaptations are never quite FAITHFUL. But varying degrees of faithful-ish. Which works really well for them. But it's entirely possible that Feige & whoever the other mysterious members of the story group there are, are cutting the crusts off Wakanda in the translation as a means to make sure those synapses I was talking about don't go firing off too loudly.
But then again, it could be really, really fun to have Black Panther come striding into the Civil War as a symbol of righteousness and justice - the voice of reason as outside intervention, coming from the utopia he rules to help put the squabbling, infighting Americans back on the right path because they obviously can't fuckin' do it themselves.
Marvel's adaptations are never quite FAITHFUL. But varying degrees of faithful-ish. Which works really well for them. But it's entirely possible that Feige & whoever the other mysterious members of the story group there are, are cutting the crusts off Wakanda in the translation as a means to make sure those synapses I was talking about don't go firing off too loudly.
But then again, it could be really, really fun to have Black Panther come striding into the Civil War as a symbol of righteousness and justice - the voice of reason as outside intervention, coming from the utopia he rules to help put the squabbling, infighting Americans back on the right path because they obviously can't fuckin' do it themselves.
Can Crusher
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Depicting Wakand as an Utopia with the most advanced tech in the world is pretty senseless. The basic notion that Wakanda becomes such due to the lack of interference of the western world is hilarious and nothing else. Like a virgin who turns into a wizard.
Wakanda has to have conflict, and Black Panther has to be conflicted and challenged. The main idea being that they don't bend to the outside world, not that they are perfect.
Wakanda has to have conflict, and Black Panther has to be conflicted and challenged. The main idea being that they don't bend to the outside world, not that they are perfect.
Bobby Roberts
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Why and Why
You seem to think building a utopia would be conflict-free, or that maintaining said utopia would be a breeze. I don't know why that would be the case.
If the Avengers outside BULLSHIT starts threatening T'Challa's way of life, you don't think he's gonna have something to say about that?
Can Crusher
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Because conflict is at the heart of the human condition. Black Panther is a King, and as a King he needs to walk a grey line.
Of course, and he will have no gripes in destroying whoever stands in his path. Not to protect an utopia, but to protect the people of his nation. Because he's one badass of a King.
Bobby Roberts
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So how is that running counter to my above posts, then?
Can Crusher
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Because Utopia's don't exist and the basic underlying premise that absence of western interference would lead to one is asinine. It's also boring. The only way Wakanda being an Utopia is interesting, is if said Utopia is a fake one. Therefore not an Utopia.
Black Panther going to America to "preach" is also a terrible use of the character. Black Panther goes to America to say "Don't fuck with me", not to say "Peace and love brehs".
Black Republican
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White kids with black panther merchandise.
Damn
Damn
freethought
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It would be easy to portray Wakanda any way you want really. But considering the two major circumstances that led to it's existence; the crashing of a meteor and hiding itself away, it's easy to see how Marvel could just totally brush over anything interesting.
Which is exactly what they'll do. The Marvel films aren't revolutionary (politically I mean), if anything they're counter-revolutionary.
Which is exactly what they'll do. The Marvel films aren't revolutionary (politically I mean), if anything they're counter-revolutionary.
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Are you not paying attention at all when you watch these movies?
Blade is rated R
RockTurtle
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but Wakanda does have major flaws
it's full of narcistic and xenophobic assholes
Kappa
lies. some Jerkwad decided that Wakanda had to have internal fissures and smart people that are stupid for no reason. Only happens for a few issues or arcs when convenient.
Bobby Roberts
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Neither do fucking superheroes.
Don't know how you got "preach" out of any of my posts. I sure as shit didn't use the word, nor suggest T'Challa was going to TALK anyone through their problems, especially considering we're discussing a superhero movie.
Nobody TALKS through anything in a superhero movie.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Could you imagine? Little white boys and girls dressing as panther and shuri for holloween? Hopefully with no make up? What a world
The Silver
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speaking of utopia's is Latveria one or not.
It seems to be inconsistently portrayed as a real one and as a false propaganga utopia.
It seems to be inconsistently portrayed as a real one and as a false propaganga utopia.
TacticalFox88
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"Mommy! I want to be Black Panther for Halloween!"
Every GOP parent's worse nightmare.
Holy FUCK. The salt over this movie will cause Morton's stock to go critical.
More often than not it is shown one, but kept at like 19th century level tech. Sometimes it gets fucked up, like when Doom is trapped in hell or on Counter Earth, but he fixes it when he gets back.
BP isn't breaking that much new ground really. This may not quite be a superhero movie but it's one of the best movies ever, and it's pretty close
Undercover Brother
I fully expect this to happen and the impending freak outs. Followed by Paul Mooney complaining everyone copies black people.
Undercover Brother
I fully expect this to happen and the impending freak outs. Followed by Paul Mooney complaining everyone copies black people.
freethought
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It was great until the entire Latverian industrial and economic infrastructure was devoted to Doombot production.
The saying goes:"You can't get a green dress in Latveria"
edit: You guys remember there's a black President, right?
entremet
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Are people forgetting Blade?
He started this whole comic movie thing on a lark that blew up into a huge hit, giving studios confidence to green light other comic properties.
I honestly don't think the Wakanda thing is a big deal. People get attached to characters, not settings.
I don't remember much ''saltiness'' when his movies were out. This was pre-Twitter, to be fair.
He started this whole comic movie thing on a lark that blew up into a huge hit, giving studios confidence to green light other comic properties.
I honestly don't think the Wakanda thing is a big deal. People get attached to characters, not settings.
I don't remember much ''saltiness'' when his movies were out. This was pre-Twitter, to be fair.
PhoncipleBone
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Well, Peter talked Doc Ock down at the end of Spider Man 2. Of course, that was after a whole lot of punching.
its so easily forgotten
I'm sure not many people who went to see the Blade movies knew about his comic book counterpart's backstory, ie Blade being English, Deacon Frost being a old fella etc
It will be interesting to see this movie Black Panther starring the Black Panther where there is no Black Panther.
Bobby Roberts
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Not many people who saw Blade knew Blade was a comics character, period.
True indeed.
GotEmRunnin
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I hope Wakanda's defense system is powered by Ubuntu in the movie just because.
freethought
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The finale to Hancock had the most famous black man in the world fighting a slender blonde white lady. I'd wager that's more controversial imagery than anything we'll see in Black Panther.
Heck, just drunk super powered Will Smith alone is more subversive than anything Marvel have ever done.
edit: Mind you, you only get to do that if you've got Will Smith.
Heck, just drunk super powered Will Smith alone is more subversive than anything Marvel have ever done.
edit: Mind you, you only get to do that if you've got Will Smith.
Black Panther tells Americans they can't do something. There is no greater crime in America.
freethought
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Does he? What if MCU Black Panther was educated in the States and he's transformed Wakanda into a modern US style liberal democracy. What if his 'King' title is an anachronism he merely tolerates, only still in use because he is so beloved by his people as the progenitor of the Wakandan Renaissance? What if he's basically MCU Batman?
Honestly, that sounds more likely to me. Just make sure the Wakandan flag has some red and green in it, keep some tribal motif to the futuristic architecture and you're done.
MCU America is led by Jewish Nazis, wants to kill Captain America, and is headed towards a super civil war....but I agree this is a perfect time for an outsider like Black Panther to step in.
oh god, please not...
TacticalFox88
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If anyone in the writing team suggests anything similar to that I hope the Feige fires him/her instantly on the spot.
Bookmarking this post, cause I'm coming after you if this happens. Some things you don't speak into existence.
freethought
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^^^^ I get bonus points if he went to college with Banner or Stark.
But in the MCU Captain America is America.
But in the MCU Captain America is America.
User 73706
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It'd be hilarious if the reverse was true, where a Wakandan scholar / professor was one of Banner / Stark's instructors.
"Wakanda also has a rich history of scholarship; we've sent countless bright minds abroad in hopes of passing on knowledge to other nations."
"I had a Wakandan professor back in college, actually."
"What course?"
"[quantum theory technobabble 101]"
"I take it everything went well?"
"You kidding? He was the only teacher there who knew what he was talking about."
*diet racists are foaming at the mouth in theaters*
TacticalFox88
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Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I mean yeah a lot of closet (and twitter) racist will likely be freak out by Wakanda. However, I don't think that subset of people who are so racist they can't even handle fiction will be enough to really hurt the revenue the film takes in.
Anyhow a lot of that might be mitigated by the fact that klaw will do a shit ton of damage to Wakanda in the film and will likely kill a bunch of black people as well. I mean shit Django came out and more or less pulled off that same balancing act.
Anyhow a lot of that might be mitigated by the fact that klaw will do a shit ton of damage to Wakanda in the film and will likely kill a bunch of black people as well. I mean shit Django came out and more or less pulled off that same balancing act.
freethought
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Did it? As I recall Django was pure unabashed revenge porn. It was gleeful about it.
They fought in the second act, not the finale. And she completely squashed him. Nothing controversial there. It was pretty standard pathetic Hollywood bullshit.
But GAF just thought me "coloured" was offensive. Get your damn language sorted out, otherwise non-natives are bound to make themselves look stupid or racist without knowing it.
That aside, I haven't read a BP comic and comics are hard to get into anyway, but if that leaked costume design translates well onto the screen Black Panther might well be the best dressed superhero after Iron Man. Excited for the movie even without knowing what to expect.
It actually starts from the POV of an american dipolmat assigned to Wakanda.
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