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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT2| Nintendo All-Stars Battle Quarter Pounder
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Holy Order Sol
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Awesome, thanks.
Tizoc
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So just Wario needs to be unlocked via 100 man smash, got it thanks.
How do I activate my Smash super btw? Does Sonic's have Live and Learn play?
I like that he is finally in Smash, but his poor recovery and lack of aerial range alone, aren't enough to balance him out. He has no business being that fast and powerful plus having super armor, a counter and having such good KO potential at low damage.
After breaking the smash ball press b without holding any direction to use your final smash.
I haven't seen Sonic's final smash in this game yet, but Live and Learn is one of the songs that plays on the Green Hill Zone stage.
No, you can also unlock Wario by 30 Smash matches iirc.
Do we know what the lag is on just landing?
20 is enough to be punishable, I don't know why anything has more than around that. All those moves at 30 ;_;. And those stupid plummeting dairs.
Surprised to see some of the air dodge lag randomly lower.
Masked Man
I said wow
I don't get the Mac hate. Maybe people overseas have yet to figure it out, but Mac is really easy to shut down. Get him off the stage and he's done. As a Mac main, I wish it weren't so, but them's the brakes.
Yeah, he has terrible recovery when it comes to getting knocked off the stage. Amazing damage output though. Mac punishes.
I enjoy playing against Little Mac, certainly much more than playing against characters that attempt to zone me out. I feel more comfortable when someone is also approaching me, rather than me just approaching them and them doing keep-away... probably because I'm so bad at judging distances that I'll whiff things if I'm left completely to my own devices. <___<
Pinko Marx
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The problem is getting off him the stage. Luckily I usually play heavies so I can take a beating before landing a few hits on him and getting him off.
Kraatu
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I still haven't played as little mac, I'm afraid of maining him.
After a while I've figured that Charizard fire blitz and rock smash can punish a lot of Little Mac's crap. People think that only Mac has super armor, when they see the blitz coming through their punch they lose their minds... hahahaha
After a while I've figured that Charizard fire blitz and rock smash can punish a lot of Little Mac's crap. People think that only Mac has super armor, when they see the blitz coming through their punch they lose their minds... hahahaha
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Little Mac needs to lose super armour in a lot of his moves. Otherwise he's fine.
I think he's fine right now, especially in true competitive play because FD won't be the only stage. Even one platform can make him struggle if used correctly.
brickwalker0
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Super armor makes sense for large, slow characters. Little Mac is neither.
theprodigy
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start platform camping the whole match like Westballz did game 1 vs Armada yesterday #playtowin
RiderKairuu
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Hoping to play with some of you guys some time this week. I could use some pointers as I can hold my own sometimes online but get shut down more often than not.
indeed, where's my super armor for Rosalina!
No.
If they nerf his super armor, he has to get better recovery. His up B and side B should be going further...
Is a 85% win rate good for 146 matches?
brickwalker0
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Agreed. No character should have that shitty of recovery, no matter the trade off.
Yeah but he's also completely useless in over 90% of the play space, where as other large slow characters or not. Little Mac only has the flat ground, and he only has a few tactics there. Those tactics need to be strong.
Will power.
theprodigy
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Rosalina with super armor and being in the middle of the cast in weight would be so fucking OP lol
chaosblade
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Necromanti
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Man, every battle I've had against a Lucario has been intense as ZSS. Like, he can knock you out at relatively lower percentages. Plus, he can do a lot of damage over a long range. And the end of his stupidly long-reaching Up + B move actually had a knockback effect when it hit me at the tail-end of the recovery. Plus, moves that would usually KO most other characters wasn't enough at the same percentage.
I do not like fighting Lucarios.
I do not like fighting Lucarios.
TheSlySoul
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I will have to say the newcomers are a step up from Brawl. I liked maybe 2 or 3 in that game compared to here where I like all of them but Bowser Jr. (personal reasons) and Shulk (he seems the weakest sword user and Manado takes too long).
In terms of rankings, I have no clue if I like it more than Melee. It is better than Brawl in gameplay alone and overall better than 64. If the Wii U version has the amount of content Brawl had, then I can say it may be close to Melee.
In terms of rankings, I have no clue if I like it more than Melee. It is better than Brawl in gameplay alone and overall better than 64. If the Wii U version has the amount of content Brawl had, then I can say it may be close to Melee.
Depends on if you think 85% is good enough or not.
Soulscribe
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Okay, so I've spent a weekend with Smash, been trying to collect my thoughts and here are a few of my takeaways:
1) Pac-Man is a boss bitch - This is a character I had zero interest in using prior to buying the game, he kinda looked like a Game & Watch type (heavy on gimmick specials and projectiles, sort of a floaty agility, i.e. not for me), but holy shit was I wrong about him. His speed is about average, but he's agile, good for zoning and for maneuvering around the set, a good jump recovery, his specials are actually really functional, and most importantly for me, his air-A game is on point. As a Sheik player, I love bouncing opponents in the air and dunking them off stage, and Pac-Man is interestingly pretty built for that as well. Again, unexpected, but pleasantly surprised. Pac-Man is the closest I have to a main right now. Shocked tbh.
2) Little Mac: Heavily unbalanced, hilariously fun to use - Another unexpected surprise with this one. I went from having no interest in using him (again, I like agile characters that can pull out air combos) to having a great time beating mufahs down. His side-As are a bit overpowered and I can see him getting nerfed up sadly. Ridiculous KO potential, though again I find myself failing super hard with him sometimes because I'm so used to jumping around the stage and sort of getting out of people's radars during a match. Little Mac demands to be the center of the fight at all times, so it's a style adjustment for me. That said though, I'm really enjoying Little Mac.
3) Smash 4 might be better than Melee - This is my super subjective opinion coming through, going back to Melee after playing this for a weekend did not make me feel as apprehensive toward 4 as I was prepared to be. In fact, I found myself preferring 4's play style a little bit more when I got to compare them so closely. Melee's characters felt super heavy, like gravity was tuned up or something. Smash 4 seems to retain Melee's speed and snappiness but moderates the heaviness a little bit. Seems to me like a perfect balance and I'm surprised at seeing myself prefer 4's pace. Granted a lot of this could be hype for the new installment but I do remember preferring Melee to Brawl pretty early on, and I'm just happy that that feeling didn't come back. So ready for the Wii U version next month.
4) More potential mains: Charizard, Sonic, ZSS, Lucina - I've been having a great time using these four in addition to Pac-Man and Little Mac this past weekend. I was always decent with Sonic in Brawl and barely servicable with ZSS, but they're amped up a bit here. Sonic's ground game is much more balanced, and ZSS got a little power boost I think, or at least more knockback. But the coolest character in this lot is Charizard, because Charizard will always be the coolest. He's super fun to use, has more speed than I bargained for, and has great KO game. The first sorta "heavy" character that I've ever considered maining officially.
Ok so overall this game is amazing, but we already knew that. lol
1) Pac-Man is a boss bitch - This is a character I had zero interest in using prior to buying the game, he kinda looked like a Game & Watch type (heavy on gimmick specials and projectiles, sort of a floaty agility, i.e. not for me), but holy shit was I wrong about him. His speed is about average, but he's agile, good for zoning and for maneuvering around the set, a good jump recovery, his specials are actually really functional, and most importantly for me, his air-A game is on point. As a Sheik player, I love bouncing opponents in the air and dunking them off stage, and Pac-Man is interestingly pretty built for that as well. Again, unexpected, but pleasantly surprised. Pac-Man is the closest I have to a main right now. Shocked tbh.
2) Little Mac: Heavily unbalanced, hilariously fun to use - Another unexpected surprise with this one. I went from having no interest in using him (again, I like agile characters that can pull out air combos) to having a great time beating mufahs down. His side-As are a bit overpowered and I can see him getting nerfed up sadly. Ridiculous KO potential, though again I find myself failing super hard with him sometimes because I'm so used to jumping around the stage and sort of getting out of people's radars during a match. Little Mac demands to be the center of the fight at all times, so it's a style adjustment for me. That said though, I'm really enjoying Little Mac.
3) Smash 4 might be better than Melee - This is my super subjective opinion coming through, going back to Melee after playing this for a weekend did not make me feel as apprehensive toward 4 as I was prepared to be. In fact, I found myself preferring 4's play style a little bit more when I got to compare them so closely. Melee's characters felt super heavy, like gravity was tuned up or something. Smash 4 seems to retain Melee's speed and snappiness but moderates the heaviness a little bit. Seems to me like a perfect balance and I'm surprised at seeing myself prefer 4's pace. Granted a lot of this could be hype for the new installment but I do remember preferring Melee to Brawl pretty early on, and I'm just happy that that feeling didn't come back. So ready for the Wii U version next month.
4) More potential mains: Charizard, Sonic, ZSS, Lucina - I've been having a great time using these four in addition to Pac-Man and Little Mac this past weekend. I was always decent with Sonic in Brawl and barely servicable with ZSS, but they're amped up a bit here. Sonic's ground game is much more balanced, and ZSS got a little power boost I think, or at least more knockback. But the coolest character in this lot is Charizard, because Charizard will always be the coolest. He's super fun to use, has more speed than I bargained for, and has great KO game. The first sorta "heavy" character that I've ever considered maining officially.
Ok so overall this game is amazing, but we already knew that. lol
I still haven't played one online. From trying her though, I think I should be scared.
I'm an overreacher, I want 90%, I'm at 86 now :-/
Masked Man
I said wow
The other problem, though, is that he has no long-range options, so it's really easy to zone him out.
I see we're still talking about Mac. 
I think he's fine as is. I admit, I'm pretty terrible at fighting against him, but I've definitely been able to kill him. He's super easy to kill when he makes a mistake. The problem is most makes just keep rushing you, which can be really tough to put down. I haven't figured out a great strategy yet, although I try to grab and throw him off the stage, but lot's of the time he's too quick for that. Anyway, I'm sure with practice I'll figure him out. If you think about it he only has like 3-4 attacks that he's going to use at any given time.
Speaking of tough challengers, who's giving you guys the most trouble at the moment?
I'm working on my Pac-Man a lot and I have to say big, heavy, hard-hitters are giving the most trouble for whatever reason. Pac's got some great spacing, and good kill moves but I just cannot keep up with the damage output of some of those guys. I find myself playing keep away all game and nickel-and-dimeing them with damage as I can get it in. Pretty different from my usual aggressive routine. Anyone have some tips? Notably, Ike, DDD and Bowser cause me the most pain. And of course, Mac too, but he' far from a heavy character.
I think he's fine as is. I admit, I'm pretty terrible at fighting against him, but I've definitely been able to kill him. He's super easy to kill when he makes a mistake. The problem is most makes just keep rushing you, which can be really tough to put down. I haven't figured out a great strategy yet, although I try to grab and throw him off the stage, but lot's of the time he's too quick for that. Anyway, I'm sure with practice I'll figure him out. If you think about it he only has like 3-4 attacks that he's going to use at any given time.
Speaking of tough challengers, who's giving you guys the most trouble at the moment?
I'm working on my Pac-Man a lot and I have to say big, heavy, hard-hitters are giving the most trouble for whatever reason. Pac's got some great spacing, and good kill moves but I just cannot keep up with the damage output of some of those guys. I find myself playing keep away all game and nickel-and-dimeing them with damage as I can get it in. Pretty different from my usual aggressive routine. Anyone have some tips? Notably, Ike, DDD and Bowser cause me the most pain. And of course, Mac too, but he' far from a heavy character.
Just got done fighting a very strong Zelda. I think she's really being overlooked right now. Her new phantom move is pretty great, especially for edgeguarding.
Actually, I think there's a lot of characters being overlooked. I mean that's normal, there's so many damn characters.
Actually, I think there's a lot of characters being overlooked. I mean that's normal, there's so many damn characters.
chaosblade
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I keep doing it instinctively so much and then remember that it doesn't work.
Totally agreed, I am really liking what they did with Pac-man. I had zero expectations of him going in. A shame about his grab though. I just wish it could have been a normal grab, shit is so slow / risky
As someone who has wanted Mac since before Melee I'm quite happy he isn't garbage. I think it's a little early to declare him overpowered, though. He is ridiculously bad whenever he's in the air.
Me too. It made off stage play so much more likely to be rewarding, since you could actually get back to the edge first and keep them off. In general it made the recover process more exciting, since they didn't just have a nearly free route back.
Zelda has some significant buffs in this game. Her specials are all better this time. Din's Fire is stronger, Nayru's Love comes out quicker and I think has less lag (making it super annoying). Of course, her new down-b is great in a lot of situations. I got my ass handed to me a few times thinking I would be fine as "she basically the same character". Nope.
Yeah, it happens. I had a 65% a couple of days ago and then got into some intense match with this guy's Ike. I couldn't win but kept playing out of pride. Now I'm hovering around 46%. Bleh.
InsaneZero
Member
I'm finding that the combination of the 3DS controls and my own clumsiness makes it really difficult to execute commands properly. Tilts become smashes, left goes up, etc. It also doesn't help that the online lag tends to drop inputs and screw me over.
And yet, I still can't stop playing. Really looking forward to the Wii U version to address these issues.
And yet, I still can't stop playing. Really looking forward to the Wii U version to address these issues.
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