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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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devilhawk said:
It could make a huge deal, even in sentencing.
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If the eyewitness accounts are correct, and the police officer A: shot him in the back while he was running away and B: shot him several more times while he surrendered, none of that will matter and he will go to jail for likely the rest of his life. He will get no sympathy or preferred treatment from anyone.

We have, what, 4 eyewitness accounts? Literally all saying the same thing, with very specific details?

CrimsonCommie said:
I just saw in MSNBC that the family if the victim had another autopsy and will release the results at a press conference. I don't think they said when though.
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They had one done independently? Oh my. They must think the investigation will take a long time so they're doing this to get the media that information.
 
Palestinians express "solidarity with the people of Ferguson" in Mike Brown statement

Full statement

We the undersigned Palestinian individuals and groups express our solidarity with the family of Michael Brown, a young unarmed black man gunned down by police on August 9th in Ferguson, Missouri. We wish to express our support and solidarity with the people of Ferguson who have taken their struggle to the street, facing a militarized police occupation.

From all factions and sectors of our dislocated society, we send you our commitment to stand with you in your hour of pain and time of struggle against the oppression that continues to target our black brothers and sisters in nearly every aspect of their lives.

We understand your moral outrage. We empathize with your hurt and anger. We understand the impulse to rebel against the infrastructure of a racist capitalist system that systematically pushes you to the margins of humanity.

And we stand with you.

We recognize the disregard and disrespect for black bodies and black life endemic to the supremacist system that rules the land with wanton brutality. Your struggles through the ages have been an inspiration to us as we fight our own battles for basic human dignities. We continue to find inspiration and strength from your struggles through the ages and your revolutionary leaders, like Malcolm X, Huey Newton, Kwame Ture, Angela Davis, Fred Hampton, Bobby Seale and others.

We honor the life of Michael Brown, cut short less than a week before he was due to begin university. And we honor the far too many more killed in similar circumstances, motivated by racism and contempt for black life: Ezell Ford, John Crawford, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin, Tarika Wilson, Malcolm Ferguson, Renisha McBride, Amadou Diallo, Yvette Smith, Oscar Grant, Sean Bell, Kathryn Johnston, Rekia Boyd and too many others to count.

With a Black Power fist in the air, we salute the people of Ferguson and join in your demands for justice.

Signatories
•Susan Abulhawa, novelist and activist
•Linah Alsaafin, graduate student, SOAS
•Budour Hassan
•Rinad Abdulla, Professor, Birzeit University
•Ramzy Baroud, Managing Editor, Middle East Eye
•Diana Buttu, Lawyer, Palestine
•Rana Baker, graduate student, SOAS
•Abbas Hamideh, activist and organizer
•Abir Kopty
•Ahlam Muhtaseb, Professor, CSU
•Alaa Milbes, Ramallah, Palestine
•Alaa Marwan, Ramallah, Palestine
•Nour Joudah, Washington DC
•Ali Zbeidat, Sakhnin, Palestine
•Areej Alragabi , Jerusalem, Palestine
•Areej Saeb, student, Jerusalem
•Asma Jaber
•Beesan Ramadan, Nablus
•Dina Zbidat, Amsterdam, Netherlands
•Dr Jess Ghannam, UCSF
•Huwaida Arraf, Attorney, New York
•Nejma Awad, Tetra Tech DPK
•Monadel Herzallah, USPCN, San Francisco Bay Area
•Ghassan Hussein
•Dinna Omar
•Randa C. Issa
•Amal Khoury, MD MPH, Washington, DC
•Amani Barakat Moorpark, California
•Fadi Quran
•Fajr Harb
•Falastine Dwikat, PCACBI
•Hala Gabriel
•Khaled Jarrar
•Osama Ahmad, AMP Bay Area director
•Hala Turjman
•Halla Shoaibi, Birzeit University
•Harun Arsalai
•Zaid Shuaibi
•Hurriyah Ziada
•Dima Eleiwa, Shujaiyah, Gaza, Palestine
•Jamil Salem, Birzeit University
•Karam Saleem, International Solidarity Movement, Palestine
•Khaled Barakat
•Khuzama Hanoon, Palestine
•Laila Awartani, Ramallah, Palestine
•Lana Habash, Let’s Go There Collective
•Lana Khoury, Washington DC
•Yousef Aljamal, University of Malaysia
•Safwan Hamdi
•Leena Barakat
•Lema Nazeeh, lawyer
•Yara Kayyali Abbas, Palestine
•Mariam Barghouti, Birzeit University
•Mohammad Ayyad, graduate student, SOAS
•Nader Elkhuzundar
•Nancy Mansour, Existence is Resistance, New York/Palestine
•Mohammed Alkhader, Birzeit University
•Nazik Hassan, attorney, Riverside, California
•Nora Taha
•Rena Zuabi
•Roleen Tafakji-Haidami
•Samera Sood
•Sana Ibrahim
•Sherene Seikaly, UCSB
•Taher Herzallah
•Tamara Reem, Washington DC
•Ahmad Nimer, Palestine
•Riya Al’sanah, journalist, London
•Alaa Milbes, Ramallah
•Belal Dabour, Gaza doctor
•Huda Asfour, PhD, Durham NC
•Iyad Afalqa, Irvine, CA
•Ruba Leech, Portland, OR
•Rashad Al-Dabbagh, Network of Arab American Professionals
•Maysoon Suleiman-Khatib, Civil Rights Specialist
•Diana Alzeer, Ramallah, Palestine
•Mona Kadah, Boston MA
•Lucy Garbett, Jerusalem, Palestine
•Hadeel Assali, Columbia University, NYC
•Magid Shihade, Oakland, CA
•Tamara Tamimi, Palestine
•Hammam Farah, psychotherapist and editor
•Dina Elmuti, Treatment and Rehabilitation Center for Victims of Torture
•Laila Hamdan, Portland OR
•Bushra Shamma, VA, USA
•Rev. Fahed Abuakel, Presbyterian minister , Atlanta, GA
•Rehab Nazzal, artist, Canada
•Ezees Silwady, Palestine
•Dua’ Nakhala, freelance researcher, Belgium
•Amal Oweis, Palestine
•Shaheen Nassar, UCR
•Amin Dallal, youth counselor
•Dr. Tariq Shadid, surgeon
•Zaha Hassan, Esq
•Randa Issa, PhD
•Murad Saleh, GED
•Lila Sharif, Ph.D
•Sa’ed Atshan, Ph.D
•Rasha Khoury, MD Jerusalem
•Hadeel Assali, Columbia University, NYC
•Rabab Ibrahim Abdulhadi, Associate Professor of Race and Resistance Studies, San Francisco University
•Tanya Keilani
•Shahd Abusalama

Organizations
•American Muslims for Palestine
•Free Amer Jubran Campaign
•International Solidarity Movement, Palestine
•Let’s Go There Collective
•Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network
•Students for Justice in Palestine, University of New Mexico
•The Campaign to Free Ahmad Sa’adat
•Bay Area Intifada, Bay Area
•PAWA, Palestinian American Women Association
•NSJP, National Students for Justice in Palestine
•Americans United for Palestinian Human Rights
•Mashjar Juthour, Palestine
•Harvard Palestine Solidarity Committee
•Al-Awda NY, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition
•Stop the Wall
•The US Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel
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MORE@: http://electronicintifada.net/blogs...lidarity-people-ferguson-mike-brown-statement
 
BronsonLee said:
If the eyewitness accounts are correct, and the police officer A: shot him in the back while he was running away and B: shot him several more times while he surrendered, none of that will matter and he will go to jail for likely the rest of his life. He will get no sympathy or preferred treatment from anyone.



They had one done independently? Oh my. They must think the investigation will take a long time so they're doing this to get the media that information.
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Yeah that's what the family's attorney just said.
 
AlimNassor said:
Brown is innocent. I don't care if he fucking shot the clerk during a robbery, he was executed by Police for no reason other then being black. Since when were Police judge, jury and executioner? An innocent man is dead because of Police.
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Dont let your emotions get the best of you, you may not see it but your assuming just as much as others. Sometimes you just gotta let everything come out first before really taking a stance.I feel once you make up your mind on something this early, it becames harder to see the everything because it doesnt fit the narrative in your head.
 
Okay cool thanks for the replies.

Also did Anonymous leak the officer's identity or did he come forward himself? Wasn't there some talk about the officer having head injuries?
 
dapperbandit said:
Okay cool thanks for the replies.

Also did Anonymous leak the officer's identity or did he come forward himself? Wasn't there some talk about the officer having head injuries?
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Anonymous leaked an incorrect identity, but protesters seem to have found out the name at least a day early, as reporters asked the Police Chief whether this was the police officer involved yesterday, and he totally fucking failed to hide the fact that it was. Then they announced it was him a day later.

CrimsonCommie said:
Yeah that's what the family's attorney just said.
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Hrm. Probably Crump's doing, he's got experience with this sort of thing. If I had to guess, Monday morning? I don't see them releasing that on the weekend.
 
Here's the thing. Even if everything the police said is true. Even if the police officer knew that he was a robbery suspect. Even if Brown did grab for the officer's gun. Even if Brown hit the officer. The amount of force exercised was entirely unreasonable in my opinion. Brown was straight up executed while unarmed and, from reports, attempting to surrender.
 
dapperbandit said:
One of my main questions is how on earth is it, as some are saying on recent pages, not relevant to the shooting that Brown committed a crime the same day. Putting aside the emotional "this is being used to make him look like a thug" thing; sure, it no doubt is. But that doesn't mean it's not relevant to the case in hand. In what court would you ignore that?
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How is it relevant? What would it be relevant to? It's ok for cops to kill people suspected of committing misdemeanors in the street without?

What do you mean "the case"?
 
mre said:
Here's the thing. Even if everything the police said is true. Even if the police officer knew that he was a robbery suspect. Even if Brown did grab for the officer's gun. Even if Brown hit the officer. The amount of force exercised was entirely unreasonable in my opinion. Brown was straight up executed while unarmed and, from reports, attempting to surrender.
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Exactly. Cops are not supposed to shoot people while they are surrendering.
 
Apparently the store owner/employee did not call about a robbery, a customer did. And the vid was turned over today.

This is coming from an attorney for the store.
 
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beasty said:
Dont let your emotions get the best of you, you may not see it but your assuming just as much as others. Sometimes you just gotta let everything come out first before really taking a stance.I feel once you make up your mind on something this early, it becames harder to see the everything because it doesnt fit the narrative in your head.
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Unfortunately, that has happened a lot already in the thread. Many people had formed a version of who Brown was in their heads. This went a long with the narrative of a person being innocently gunned down. While it still seems he was innocently gunned down, the release of this information has disrupted that construct people had created of Brown ,and you can tell that by the reactions of many posters.
 
BronsonLee said:
Protesters > The Internet

RE: The store didn't make a call? Oh what the fuck
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What's wrong with that? It's my understanding the the caller was a witness to what happened. I mean, do you think, based upon that video, that a crime did not occur?
 
Zeus Molecules said:
Its called PR bro's
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Puerto Rico invaded Missouri!? :p

mre said:
What's wrong with that? It's my understanding the the caller was a witness to what happened. I mean, do you think, based upon that video, that a crime did not occur?
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Nah, that's my brain stalling out for a sec. I was wondering why they weren't the one to make the call. Though you'd think my brain would be able to reconcile that since a witness is making the call, they wouldn't need to...*knock on wood*
 
mre said:
Here's the thing. Even if everything the police said is true. Even if the police officer knew that he was a robbery suspect. Even if Brown did grab for the officer's gun. Even if Brown hit the officer. The amount of force exercised was entirely unreasonable in my opinion. Brown was straight up executed while unarmed and, from reports, attempting to surrender.
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I agree with all of this.

Brakke said:
How is it relevant? What would it be relevant to? It's ok for cops to kill people suspected of committing misdemeanors in the street without?

What do you mean "the case"?
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The case? I suppose I mean the investigation, finding out what happened. Sorry if I'm not using the right terminology.

It seems relevant to me. It might be called a character assassination by some but video of Brown pushing a shopkeeper and walking out without paying for stuff says something about his character. As I say at the top of this post, I agree that even if the police version of events is true the level of force used was over the top. But the way I see it that footage of Brown is relevant because it makes claims the officer received some kind of "facial injury" more credible. And that's relevant because if the officer is found guilty, whether or not he was injured by Brown would surely affect his punishment.

Does that make sense?

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I should point out I'm not too clued up on American law, as if that wasn't obvious... will there definitely be a court case at the end of this?
 
So I keep hearing that he committed a felony vs shoplifting theft because it was strong armed?

But I also heard that the officer involved was unaware of the earlier incident.

So the shooting could not be justified even if he committed a "felony robbery" because the officer didn't know he was a suspect during the confrontation.

Am I getting this right?
 
webkatt said:
So I keep hearing that he committed a felony vs shoplifting theft because it was strong armed?

But I also heard that the officer involved was unaware of the earlier incident.

So the shooting could not be justified even if he committed a "felony robbery" because the officer didn't know he was a suspect during the confrontation.

Am I getting this right?
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Essentially.
 
Based on what we know right now, I expect this officer to be charged with a crime. As long as they don't overcharge him (1st degree murder), I think there is a good chance of a conviction.
 
BruiserBear said:
Based on what we know right now, I expect this officer to be charged with a crime. As long as they don't overcharge him (1st degree murder), I think there is a good chance of a conviction.
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If the witnesses are to be believed that would not be an "overcharge" at all.
 
webkatt said:
So I keep hearing that he committed a felony vs shoplifting theft because it was strong armed?

But I also heard that the officer involved was unaware of the earlier incident.

So the shooting could not be justified even if he committed a "felony robbery" because the officer didn't know he was a suspect during the confrontation.

Am I getting this right?
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The police chief earlier said that he didn't know of the robbery.

But the officer himself has yet to make any sort of statement....we don't know what he did or said when he was originally interviewed or anything like that.
 
Kitschkraft said:
The police chief earlier said that he didn't know of the robbery.

But the officer himself has yet to make any sort of statement....we don't know what he did or said when he was originally interviewed or anything like that.
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Officer can't make any statement until he's been fully coached on what statements he should make, of course.
 
beasty said:
Dont let your emotions get the best of you, you may not see it but your assuming just as much as others. Sometimes you just gotta let everything come out first before really taking a stance.I feel once you make up your mind on something this early, it becames harder to see the everything because it doesnt fit the narrative in your head.
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My agenda? What agenda? Police murdered an innocent man. I don't give a fuck if he shot the clerk or triedto shoot the Police (which btw there is no proof for), he was brutally murdered by racist cops.
 
Kitschkraft said:
But the officer himself has yet to make any sort of statement....we don't know what he did or said when he was originally interviewed or anything like that.
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jett said:
Officer can't make any statement until he's been fully coached on what statements he should make, of course.
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Eh...I'm -really- not keen on letting that police officer do anything right now. Especially in public. He makes a public statement, everyone knows where he is, shit goes bad.
 
So far 3 eyewitnesses have come forward. All with the same story. Brown was surrendering with hands in the air and was gunned down.

Don't let whether Brown is a good or bad guy or whatever change the facts that we have at this point.
 
PopeReal said:
So far 3 eyewitnesses have come forward. All with the same story. Brown was surrendering with hands in the air and was gunned down.

Don't let whether Brown is a good or bad guy or whatever change the facts that we have at this point.
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Yup. Same thing they try to do with Trayvon. His actions prior play no part in him being unjustly murdered.
 
HighResTomato said:
What is DST?
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Sigma_Theta
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Kappa_Alpha

lol at American Kickboxing.

Alpha Kappa Alpha (AKA) and Delta Sigma Theta (DST) are the largest African American sororities, and they're very active in the AA community. There are 9 main African American greek letter organizations and all work to build up the community (like registering voters). For example: all 4 of the male BGLOS were present and working together when MLK got shot (Iota did not exist at that time):
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