QuantumZebra
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That might seriously be the long game here
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Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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That might seriously be the long game here
Spottiettiedop
Member
Your missing the fact that alone TR may not sell units but combined with Halo and any other Xbox One exclusive the obvious plan is to make the Xbox One look better to 360/PS3 gamers (which there are alot left) who will make the leap to PS4 or Xbox One.
Heck it could be a response to PS securing Destiny content.
For SE the lost sales may be minimal to none with the proceeds from the deal.
The fact of the matter is we don't know alot.
I just know games do matter to gamers.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Look at plants vs zombies for playstation .
There was a lot of hype when it was announced and now it is like two weeks before release and no promotion from Sony or EA.
There was a lot of hype when it was announced and now it is like two weeks before release and no promotion from Sony or EA.
overdrivex
Banned
phil wants more 1st party studios, square need the "now "money
shacklesmcgee
Member
1) They won't do that because it will piss MS?
2) TRE sales were not good in PS4/XB1
You misunderstood me, of course PS4 version will be better, but because it's delayed port it won't sell that well.
I think MS is playing the same card they did with CoD. Gamers will associate with the platform it releases on first.
Define not good relative to sales of all the other games released for Xbox One and PS4 thus far. It must have showed promise if MS invested in it, or maybe MS got into this deal last year when SE was disappointed with sales.
No idea. Will be interesting to see play out. The only thing that's sure is that the majority of Drama GAF gonna drama and get over it in time like they always do.
Jmanunknown
Member
Yes this is probably correct. I wonder if people will still buy a late port of the game? It is gonna be a tough sell though too since the PS4 will have a healthy software library and we have no idea whats coming beyond 2015. The PC version should do fine since it'll probably be priced lower and the PC crowd is used to being screwed over when it comes to games releasing late.
A month or 2 won't do much. Maybe move the launch up to before E3-2015 before the world sees Naughty Gods creation. Gamers only buy so many games thanks to uncharted 4 they be a lot less likely to buy TR on the PS4 for a long while after.
Alex
Member
Nice to see the latest of ten billion PR lines about Microsoft caring about PC ringing oh-so-true yet again!
I'll get it when it comes, nonetheless, I love the first game and I have a backlog longer than the rest of my life let alone other new products so waiting isn't a problem but this is one of the oddest exclusives I've seen in recent times. Xbox needs to secure some content, sure but I dunno... what a weird pick.
I'll get it when it comes, nonetheless, I love the first game and I have a backlog longer than the rest of my life let alone other new products so waiting isn't a problem but this is one of the oddest exclusives I've seen in recent times. Xbox needs to secure some content, sure but I dunno... what a weird pick.
BruiserBear
Banned
People saying this are clearly ignoring the fact that studios close down these days when a big budget game fails badly. That's exactly why I don't see a problem with this Xbox deal. Crystal Dynamics are working in an environment where one failure can kill your studio, and Microsoft shows up with a bag of money that would likely ensure your studios survival for a while. What are you gonna do?
People on forums love to say this, when we all know it simply isn't true. Have you ever seen the famous steam pic for MW2? So many people swore they weren't buying the PC version of that game, and in the end most of them did. People who hold real grudges in this industry are as niche as it gets.
maneil99
Member
Games sell 6+ million
Mr Moose
Member
Wat? Is that true? Or do you mean the timed content crap?
I think you have that backwards...
Sweet Jesus....
This is the sort of idea I would expect to be suggested on GameFAQS, not NeoGAF. Absolutely terrible idea.
It's outside of Crystal Dynamics' control anyways as they're owned by Square Enix.
That's a fair point but that is also easily fixed by delaying or moving up the launch of their title by a month without the other opportunity costs involved with this exclusivity agreement. But it is an advantage i didn't think of so I'll update my post.
shinra-bansho
Member
It's a bizarre narrative emerging.
The idea that they're scared of Uncharted is ridiculous nonsense.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Plus hype for nautghy dog and on a system which sells like hot cakes it is going to be big.
Rather, you aren't giving it the credit it deserves.
I'm aware of his ban but I'd go with what is official for now. There's a good chance that it is timed but until it is stated as so by the people actually making the game then the thread title is misleading. I'd honestly be surprised if it doesn't at least appear on pc. Microsoft has been good at allowing it's exclusives to port to pc so far this gen.
overdrivex
Banned
i think one of the earlier cod games was only on xbox
Mr Moose
Member
Really? I didn't know that, thought it was about the DLC month early stuff.
Chobel
Member
Of course it's good deal for MS, but I'm arguing about this
They won't, the sales will be worse than the non-delayed release, way worse.
jediyoshi
Member
So was the original Xbox DRM a good discussion too or only slightly different shades of grey?
Yes, the amazing weight of a game that has never managed to stay on the NPD top 10 past its initial month.
I guarantee Tomb Raider would sell more going head-to-head against Uncharted than it will coming out on PS4 a year later.
overdrivex
Banned
it was cod 2 i believe
Unknown One
Member
Nobody likes sloppy seconds. PC owners would just get it on steam sales though.
Yoda
Member
This is one fast moving thread... Interesting money-hat, it's the same genre as Naughty Dog (arguably SE best first party dev). They need someone to promote the console, but timed exclusivity doesn't really work for a franchise which is beyond the definition of established. Curious to know how long it's exclusive for.
Well yes they do but I don't really see Tomb Raider being a strong arguement for anyone to invest $400 in a new console. Pairing that up with a remaster of Halo only serves to prove my point. The fan base for Tomb Raider and Halo could not be more different. I don't see avid Tomb Raider fans being the same people who would be going nuts over replaying Halo 2 multiplayer.
This. I still haven't played the first one I bought 3 Steam sales ago. I'll be getting Uncharted 4 and when this comes out for PC, I'll wait for another Steam sale and buy it then.
OriginalNameGuy
Member
Oh no, not Tomb Raider. I don't know how owners of one console will survive this one because the first was so good.
Not nearly as much as Microsoft appears to be overestimating the weight of Tomb Raider (as a console seller).
I don't think they're scared of it..
If both games release Holiday 2015... they are similar games.. MOST Playstation owners, if making a choice, would choose Uncharted. That's not scaring S-E, that's just fact. The other fact is that Tomb Raider sells well.. So what does this more than likely mean? That Tomb Raider 2 would be a "later" purchase. And likely a discounted purchase.
By giving MS exclusive rights through the Holiday, S-E isn't really losing a ton of sales on PS4 because many of them wouldn't have been there to begin with. And to that effect, if S-E release Tomb Raider 2 6 months later at full price, it will probably come out ahead a little from PS gamers who are fine coming into it new in spring.
Honestly this is a fine deal for S-E and they probably won't lose out on a ton of sales. I don't even know if there's really a loser here except for the PS gamers who really want to play this day one. I really don't even think MS is losing.. though I'm also not sure how much they are winning either. I don't think TR will do much for console sales except add itself to the chalkboard. They got the PR today but that will really only matter if they can keep obfuscating the "Exclusive" arrangement through the holidays. If it becomes official at all that it's just timed it's going to piss away most of today's PR.
Mass Effect
Member
This is a terrible idea.
Oh yeah, this is a good point. I wonder if Tomb Raider could suffer the same fate. This could end up backfiring hard on CD and SE. But it is a bigger franchise than AC, so I don't know.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Uncharted sells 6 million on one platform .
Tomb raider barely managed that on 3 platforms.
Mr Moose
Member
Yep, we're already seeing that manifesting with PvZ:Garden Warfare. Lots of hype at launch when it came out for Xbox, now, a couple of weeks until release on PlayStation, and we aren't hearing shit about the game, there's no marketing at all.
Honestly, timed exclusives might as well be full exclusives, because they pretty much have the same effect, kill sales on the rival console.
Chobel
Member
Like seriously, people are expecting the delayed game to sell better than when releasing in Holiday season with Uncharted... Give me a break.
Spottiettiedop
Member
I actually think alot of Halo gamers play Tomb Raider and vice versa. Have you bought and played both? I have.
I am glad some other people get it. Instead of blind raging over really not to much. You said exactly what I wanted to say perfectly. Thank youl.
tiredheadcrab
Member
I think you have a point. The risk and Next dev costs are rising and Square probably wanted either Sony or MS to take some stake in the game knowing that the game would get the proper attention it deserves in terms of marketing and support from one of the big 2. I am sure SE had money to fund the game but the risk of just breaking even doesnt sound appealing. And considering the last game released on the 360 and ps3 with a high high install base and selling what it did, i can see why they are being cautious with money. I dont really blame MS as much as a i blame SE. They didnt do a solid job marketing the game.
overdrivex
Banned
the head to head uncharted argument being made make no sense
History shows that there is a significant sales impact on delayed console release. It's not really something anyone can dismiss/dispute. They will sell less copies on PS4 and PC (to an admittedly lesser extent) than they would have if they had released across all platforms on the same day.
That said this is if this is even a timed exclusive. I mean all signs point to it being one but we have no official confirmation either way. I would tend to assume it is since the deal just makes 0 sense for SE otherwise.
Chobel
Member
Oh really?
Jesus people read his comment correctly: I guarantee Tomb Raider would sell more going head-to-head against Uncharted (when released in 2015)... than it will coming out on PS4 a year later (in 2016).
shinra-bansho
Member
That's a different discussion though.
At a basic level if the positive impact of creating a larger interval between a PS4 SKU and Uncharted outweighed the negative impact of a delayed SKU, which most assuredly it doesn't, then Square Enix would likely be doing this without any influence from Microsoft.
Infernostew
Member
Ummm... no.
BruiserBear
Banned
Sure, my point was that the people in charge of that studio felt it was worth taking the money, which tells me they felt it was necessary.
Isn't Garden Warfare coming out next week? Yeah. There is pretty much no push at all.
Mr Moose
Member
Oh so PS4 sales if it does come out on it compared to PS4 sales of Uncharted... Wait, so combined PS4 and XBO sales VS PS4?
So a multiplatform game may sell more than an exclusive? That's a bold prediction he is making...
Edit: No, he is saying if they are both released at the same time, Tomb Raider will sell more, right?
Yup, they want their own uncharted
Whatever man, I still stand by they could have took the money they spent on this and give it to Rare to do something new non kinnect related.
What's next, Microsoft buys Assassin Creed and Call of Duty exclusivity just for the sake of trying to push units?
They lack their own studio super power and have to resort to... Well this is moneyhatting correct?