evil solrac v3.0
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hey have any of you guys mentioned how the movie will be a clusterfuck yet? or how they need their own movie to introduce these heroes that the whole world knows? no?
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Jason Momoa cast as Aquaman in Batman v Superman DoJ
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I've been saying this for the longest, but no one listens. People are convinced this movie is going to be a total clusterfuck and nothing will deter them from that.
john whiteguy84
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Could have been drax, but chose this? Ha!
tringworldso
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I don't know why but I always pictured Charlie Hunnam as Aquaman for some reason.
I thought it was pretty much confirmed that the movies would be filmed back to back
Discotheque
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actually you know who would have been an amazing aquaman? travis fimmel (ragnar from vikings)
Bobby Roberts
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...and?
So?
Again - you're acting like the audience is going to be befuddled and confused beyond all recognition when a movie called "Batman v Superman" has other superheroes making cameos in it.
I don't see why that would be the case at all. It's not like people are going to go "Man, the Batman v Superman stuff, I could wrap my head around. And then they were like "Wonder Woman is here too" and I was like WHAT THE FUCK HOLD THE PHONE WONDER WOMAN WHAAAAAAA HOW DO I PROCESS THIS SHIT OH FUCK CYBORG? A CYBORG? AND A WONDER WOMAN???"
Audiences have had 75 years to get used to the idea of superheroes existing. I don't think the lifting to get that across onscreen is going to be as heavy as people seem to think it needs to be. "Establishing" the rules of any superhero movie never needs to take more than a minute or two, tops. It CAN take longer, and sometimes you can do really cool things with all that extra time. But Superman v. Batman doesn't need a ton of legwork to explain that a Wonder Woman could exist. Decades of popular culture kinda do a lot of that heavy lifting FOR you.
The first Iron Man also made no mention of other heroes or superpowers existing in its world, and yet here we are. Retcons gonna retcon.
WB is not putting an actor from a CW -- whom none of their own people had a hand in picking -- into a $200 million summer tentpole.
Discotheque
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i don't even know why they have to even wait for the cw show. quicksilver's scene in dofp proved that's probably the hottest power to show on screen if done right. it can get laughs and be badass.
GuitarAtomik
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Never knew this. Maybe they'll bleach his hair.
SamuelSupreme
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I personally think this is a good choice. Again as long as the main focus doesn't deviate from Batman and Superman's conflict this movie can work.
OneEyedKing
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Flash has been rumored to be making a cameo in this for months now as well as Green Lantern.
Also I'm pretty sure (and hoping) that the TV and movie universes will remain separate.
Trojita
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The whole point of New 52 Aquaman was to reference how he is viewed in real life.
Father_Brain
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That's a retcon? There was the Fury scene and the Cap stuff in Hulk the same summer, and the general plan of Iron Man/Hulk/Cap/Thor movies leading into Avengers was announced all the way back in 2006. Obviously, some of those plans changed along the way (see: the Stark scene in Hulk, which appeared to be setting up a very different version of Avengers from what we got), but calling that a "retcon" merely because said characters weren't mentioned seems disingenuous.
First: While not impossible, I haven't seen any indication yet that Wonder Woman is just a cameo, at least not any more than Black Widow or Falcon were in their respective debut films. I'm fairly sure Cyborg and Aquaman are, and have no problem with the former, though I'm unclear how well the latter will fit into the plot (will he be in a party scene as the ambassador from a nation whose name is an anagram of Atlantis?). In any case, if WW were actually just a cameo, I'd be cool with it, assuming she has a much larger role in Justice League.
Secondly: I don't believe I've said anything about audiences being confused. I've said multiple times in this very thread that I would be okay with handwavingly treating WW et al. as established superheroes, as is already being done with Snyderverse Batman.
My concern at this point is not with introducing multiple superheroes in one film, not in itself; my concern is that WB may be attempting to emulate the origin/backstory-focused Marvel model in a much more compressed time frame, resulting in sloppy storytelling and a square-peg-in-round-hole approach to adapting certain characters.
For instance, how do Kryptonians or an unpowered human vigilante set up Greek gods, magic, or an island of mythological Amazons? They simply don't. But if you make the Amazons a lost tribe of Kryptonians, or tie them to Darkseid and the New Gods instead of Greek mythology, suddenly Wonder Woman is a much more "natural fit" for a Superman/Batman movie.
How do Kryptonians et al. set up Atlantis? They don't, unless you make them a lost tribe of aquatic Kryptonians, or ordinary humans who were somehow mutated by Zod's machine, or so forth.
Could prove to be a baseless concern, of course, but that's what I'm afraid of.
Sibersk Esto
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I kinda wish they saved all these characters for the Justice League movie. I've got no problem with them introducing them all in Justice League ala the DCAU, but I feel having the characters appear as cameos is a mostly Batman/Superman movie takes away some of the impact a movie based solely on the Justice League could provide.
Bobby Roberts
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Okay, but I don't understand how you could think they're doing that when the introduction of Batman in this movie has no origin/backstory to speak of. Batman is being taken as fact, essentially. You just roll with him. If that's a tack they're willing to take with him, I don't see why every other character will need a poorly managed origin/backstory.
I would think this is a form follows function thing - you decide to take this particular tack BECAUSE you don't care about emulating Marvel Studio's gameplan, not because you wanna shoehorn it in where it doesn't fit.
Ninja Scooter
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I don't know why but I always pictured Charlie Hunnam as Aquaman for some reason.
He makes Jason Momoa looks like Daniel Day Lewis. No thanks.
Plenty of versions of Aquaman. From buff badass to a bit of a goof.
Just get the outfit right, especially the colors.
He's got the bod and the attitude. Add long blonde hair. I can see the badass Aquaman.
Father_Brain
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Well, I very much hope you're right, and we'll just have to see how things shake out.
Not that it definitively proves anything, but BvS' use of the Diana Prince identity doesn't leave me optimistic that that's the overall tack WB has chosen.
SargerusBR
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Thats exactly what i think WB is going to do. The reception of the Flash show will determinate if the Flash/Arrow universe will join the DCCU
After a while you just learn to ignore them.
I can definitely see Momoa as Arthur to be honest.
He says he want to play as someone more than just a grunty brunt, I'm curious to see his take on Aquaman.
Not bothered about the blonde hair, they can always dye it.
GuitarAtomik
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Lol no. I really don't see that happening. They'll keep the universes separate.
The Silver
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well then I don't like it, too try hard for me
Buddha Beam
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I'm trying real hard not to judge before at least seeing anything, but man, it's hard to be optimistic about this movie. It feels so bloated
Serpentine
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sweet. maybe this Aquaman will actually be awesome
pretty much my view on Johns Aquaman.
pretty much my view on Johns Aquaman.
Sibersk Esto
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To be fair, it drops that agenda rather quickly and became very well written without using that as a crux.
Bobby Roberts
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Parker's writing Aquaman now. That guarantees it's going to be one of the better written DC Comics on the shelf.
Discotheque
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lmao.
forreal though i think travis fimmel would have been my favorite choice for him at the moment. dude plays a convincing leader/warrior
It is. Even addresses the "lack of fun" thing people always take DC to task for (Ever wanted to see Aquaman go to his high school reunion? Parker's got you covered).
Even when Johns was writing, Aquaman was one of DC's best books.
Bobby Roberts
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I do the sound for an event here in Portland called Comics Underground, where writers/artists get up on a stage and present their works. They just did their final live event last Thursday. Fraction did a section on "Bloobing" and "Brimping" from Sex Criminals, and Parker did a presentation on that high-school reunion issue.
It was, of course, fucking hilarious.
He even showed up in subtle Aquaman cosplay.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Sounds like the "rumored" plot leak from last summer is spot on. Don't know how happy I am with the first film featuring these characters all gunning to beat down Superman.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
nvm
ya i sorta thought that too at first then realized he used to be this at one point.
Looks like Namor in this pic.
Considering Jason Mamoa is often referred to as "male Khaleesi" or "male Emilia Clarke" in terms of acting, that's a horrifying thought.
So, we have Cyborg, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman all confirmed right now right? Plus Green Lantern and Flash are rumored? I hope most of these just end up being seconds long cameos.
It's also going to be super weird after MoS that superheroes and super powered beings already exist on Earth when it wasn't implied at all in MoS.
It's also going to be super weird after MoS that superheroes and super powered beings already exist on Earth when it wasn't implied at all in MoS.
If they go with the Nu52 explanation, then they'll say Superman was the first public one, but the others were running around elsewhere. Which isn't too hard to believe given those who have been confirmed thus far.
Batman: Was mostly an urban myth. Long since retired and comes back after Superman appears.
Wonder Woman: Living on Paradise Island, rumored to have only come to man's world a few years ago and is living in secret.
Aquaman: Was in Atlantis.
Cyborg: Probably not even Cyborg yet.
Lord Panda
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It will be interesting to see how Snyder explains how Earth is suddenly teeming with superheroes. Where were they all during Zod's invasion?
Edit: should have read the thread
Edit: should have read the thread
Discotheque
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looking at the movies hedlund is getting cast in now...i think somebody might get a decent performance out of him...maybe...we'll see. no hope for his english brother from pacific rim tho
Schweinehund
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It's common of all movies, casting is super cynical.
I'm just wondering how many people they're going for in the Justice League. Seemingly, Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman, Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash, Green Lantern. Wonder if they'll go for Manhunter or Shazam as well. New 52 has placed a lot of emphasis on making Shazam and Cyborg a big part of league, Manhunter has kind of been a free agent. Then again Shazam is similar enough to Superman that it would be redundant and they would be fighting for screen time. The 7 I listed above will probably be it.
BadAss2961
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Awesome. I could tell in interviews that he was trying to hide it the whole time.
Batman-News source was legit.
Batman-News source was legit.
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