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Content Roundup - Episode 8 - Form and Void

Reviews:

- Sepinwall's review
- IGN review
- MTV review
- The New Republic
- NY Times on the finale, One more from the NY Times
- Rolling Stone review
- Onion A|V Club review
- Poniewozik
- NY Mag
- Slate.com
- Alyssa Rosenberg for the Washington Post
- Maureen Ryan
- Nola.com
- IndieWire
- EW
- Newsday
- Paste Magazine
- TV Overmind
- CraveOnline
- Daily Best
- The Atlantic
- SJ Mercury News
- Zap2It
- Variety, Variety #2
- The Wire
- Warming Glow
- Think Progress
- NPR review
- Collider
- Matt Zoller Seitz with a long look at TD: The 7 Things That True Detective Was About
- Emily Nussbaum
- Andy Greenwald and other Grantland writers on the finale​

Videos

- Inside the Episode (youtube)
- The Altar
- Episode clip: "I am not ashamed"
- Episode clip: "This is the place"
- Closing credits song: "The Angry River" - The Hat, Father John Misty, & S. I. Istwa​

Other

- Sepinwall Interview: 'True Detective' creator Nic Pizzolatto looks back on season 1
- HBO episode synopsis
- Final lines from the show:

"You're looking at it wrong, the sky thing. "
"How's that?"
"Well, once there was only dark. If you ask me the light is winning.”

- GIFs from Warming Glow
- GIFs from NY Mag
- Slate.com: Here Is Rust’s Final Speech From True Detective (transcription of the final scene)
- A few promo pics and other content from the darknessbecomesyou website
- Closing credits song: "The Angry River" - The Hat, Father John Misty, & S. I. Istwa (available on iTunes)
- Variety: True Detective Finale Overwhelms HBO Go
- Daily Beast: True Detective’s Red Herring: Actress Erin Moriarty, Who Plays Marty’s Daughter, Tells All
- IndieWire: Say Goodbye To 'True Detective' With All The Music From The Series
- Rolling Stone: 5 Things We Learned From 'True Detective'

Gifs:

- Onion A|V Club's "For our consideration" feature: Into the void: True Detective’s (completely necessary) ridiculousness
- Film Critic Hulk on True Detective
- NY Mag: Was There a Hidden Comic Book Homage in the True Detective Finale?
- NY Mag Interview: True Detective’s Glenn Fleshler on Playing Lawn-Mowing Monster Errol Childress
- NY Mag: True Detective’s Production Designer on the Finale’s Mazelike Fort
- NY Mag: True Detective Director Cary Fukunaga on the Season-1 Finale and Why So Many ‘Clues’ Aren’t Addressed
- Slate: Interview with the TD costume designer Jenny Eagan
- Variety: ‘True Detective’: Where Things Stand with Season 2​

 

[Rawket Lawnchair]

Guys ,what was that with the green ears?Anyone.

Apparently the guy was painting the house (with a spraying device?) and his mask did not cover his ears, so they were painted green.

He also then proceeded to hunt down a little girl in the woods.

 

[big ander]

I'm gonna miss these two. After Terriers, this show hits the hardest for putting the 'partners' relationship in such a great way.

Also, superb finale. Loved the production and Nic has a career in writing shows if he carries this on.

Yeah, Terriers didn't get the respect it deserved.

Ooh you two make a good point: anyone in here who hasn't seen Terriers should. It's not as operatic as True Detective, but it's a fantastic 13-episode beach noir about two ramshackle private detectives. Great dialogue, pitch-perfect performances from Donal Logue and Michael Raymond-James, a surprising and welcome amount of comedy. All on netflix!

 

[Dennis]

 

[Jables Swan]

Yeah, some idiot posted it in the NHL thread too. Didn't ruin it for me as I'd already seen it, but certainly spoiled it for some people.

It's not a massive big deal but geez way to kill any tension there would have been if people thought they were going to die.

Especially after Cornballer said not to post it.

 

[dan2026]

To be honest I felt the redneck badguy was a little too over the top.

Was the incest angle really needed? It's almost cliche at this point.

He was villainous enough without all the hillbilly bullshit.

 

[Cornballer]

It's not a massive big deal but geez way to kill any tension there would have been if people thought they were going to die.

Especially after Cornballer said not to post it.

If you do see something like that, just send me (or an online mod) a PM next time and we can quickly delete the post. Thanks.

 

[Nibel]

Nic Pizzolatto comments on TD (Facebook photo album)

 

[-griffy-]

I thought what happened was the Police got the package that Rust had told his boss to send and showed up because of that. There was something in the TV report later that specifically called out the package.

No, Rust told the bar owner to send out the packages in 24 hours if neither he or Marty stop him. Presumably the packages were sent the next day when they were both in the hospital. Marty definitely called before leaving the house.

 

[Dennis]

Marty gets some hot ass courtesy of T-Mobile

T-Mobile execs: "holy shit guys, best ad ever!"


Marty can't get backup because there is no cell reception, nearly getting him and Cohle killed

T-Mobile execs: "fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu..................."

 

[Gozer the Gozerian]

I'll reiterate my other post, give Errol there a shave and we've got ourselves a Judge Holden. For the Blood Meridian movie that will never happen.

 

[Artakartel]

I don't get that part either. Green house suddenly became green ears clue? What make the sudden jump to that for no obvious reason? Green painted house is not uncommon.

I found it ridiculous that that old woman remembered when her house was painted, and by whom, down to a physical description.

Seriously, who remembers that? From nearly 20 years ago?

 

[Solo]

Rust, I honestly believe you're unkillable.

 

[kmax]

- NY Mag: True Detective Director Cary Fukunaga on the Season-1 Finale and Why So Many ‘Clues’ Aren’t AddressedMuch more via the link.

Interesting interview.

* Carcosa was orginally set to be in a cypress forest.
* Matthew's last scene was when Rust showed Marty the tape. They gathered the entire crew and applauded him once they opened the garage door, which suprised him and made him teary eyed.
* Matthew composed a 450 page case study on Rust Cohle.
* Much of the family stuff didn't make the final cut. Fukunaga thought that those were among the most interesting things to shoot.

 

[brianjones]

Rust just had a dmt trip

i was kinda hoping rust would get drugged with LSD like the original girl did and had all these crazy visions

 

[Rawket Lawnchair]

So, who was the Yellow King in the show, anyway? Do we have a definitive answer?

Also, why did that lady in the 9th episode mention Carcosa as if it was some amazing and exotic place?

 

[trab pu kcip]

I found it ridiculous that that old woman remembered when her house was painted, and by whom, down to a physical description.

Seriously, who remembers that? From nearly 20 years ago?

haha yeah. thought so too

 

[Solo]

Also, why did that lady in the 9th episode mention Carcosa as if it was some amazing and exotic place?

Drugs.

 

[Anton Sugar]

haha yeah. thought so too

Yeah, that was veeeery convenient.

 

[Dennis]

No matter that some

Spoiler

absolutely insane

people didn't like the show can we all just agree that in terms of set design, location scouting, cinematography and acting this was a new step up for television?

There is very little that a big budget Hollywood movie could have done better than this.

 

[Extra Sauce]

I found it ridiculous that that old woman remembered when her house was painted, and by whom, down to a physical description.

Seriously, who remembers that? From nearly 20 years ago?

Well, painting your house can be a memorable occasion. It's even become a cliché of people at their happiest in cinema.

Plus the man was disfigured.

 

[Dennis]

Also, why did that lady in the 9th episode mention Carcosa as if it was some amazing and exotic place?

Ah yes, the legendary 9th episode that drives everyone who sees it insane.

 

[dan2026]

No matter that some

Spoiler

absolutely insane

people didn't like the show can we all just agree that in terms of set design, location scouting, cinematography and acting this was a new step up for television?

There is very little that a big budget Hollywood movie could have done better than this.

Naw I wouldnt say it was a step up.

Hannibal has set design and cinematography that exceeds True Detective.

 

[Dennis]

Rust, I honestly believe you're unkillable.

He is the Atheist Jesus.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Naw I wouldnt say it was a step up.

Hannibal has set design and cinematography that exceeds True Detective.

This is true.

 

[BikoBiko]

Well that was a nice enough episode. Final 10 minutes sucked though. Overall I'm pretty disappointed with the series. Oh well.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Naw I wouldnt say it was a step up.

Hannibal has set design and cinematography that exceeds True Detective.

I was going to say this

Spoiler

but I have been sucking Hannibal's dick quite a bit in this thread.

Hannibal has a MUCH more stylized and heightened look; they're both beautiful, True Detective is much more naturalist in its approach and is gorgeous in its own way.

But yes, I'd give the edge to Hannibal. Best cinematography on TV.

 

[Dennis]

Naw I wouldnt say it was a step up.

Hannibal has set design and cinematography that exceeds True Detective.

I don't really agree. I think Hannibal has great - but over the top - set design and cinematography but it isn't quite as impressive to me as the realistic yet menacing atmosphere created in True Detective.

 

[Extra Sauce]

Hannibal's sets are gorgeous but they look like sets. True Detective's sets look like real places.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

So, who was the Yellow King in the show, anyway? Do we have a definitive answer?

Also, why did that lady in the 9th episode mention Carcosa as if it was some amazing and exotic place?

The Yellow King is just a 'deity' that the Tuttle clan and the various branches of the Tuttle clan seem to worship, or did worship at one point in time. All of the horrific crimes, the kidnappings, rapes, murders, etc. were committed by this cult that worshipped that deity. The old lady was Sam Tuttle's maid, so she was close enough to the family that she was probably exposed to their beliefs and practices.

I guess Sam Tuttle, the progenitor of the family, began it in the 30s? Anyway, they were a bunch of child molesters that used the church schools in rural Louisiana to find victims (not everyone died, but there were a bunch of affected people such as the prostitute in Episode 7). Eventually, they began killing victims, such as Marie Fontenault in ritualized murders. They wore the animal masks as part of the ritual. We don't know why they did it, all we have to go on is Errol's deranged rantings.

Errol Childress, was also a product of this abuse and incest at the hands of the Tuttle clan (he was also a branch of the Tuttles). He went insane and went on a serial murder spree over the next thirty odd years. There is a Yellow King shrine in the depths of 'Carcosa' and he leaves the Devil's nests and victims to draw the attention of the police because he wants a confrontation with them. He believes that through death, he will ascend to another plane of existence. He also wants to expose the Tuttle clan for the things they have done and possibly continue to do.

Am I right here?

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I suppose it's about preference. I prefer the raw, atmospheric, almost indie film look of True Detective. I haven't seen much of Hannibal yet though, so take that assessment with a grain of salt.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

People also need to watch Utopia if they want to compare cinematography.

 

[Dennis]

Reggie Ledoux lair as well as the Childress mansion/Carcosa were immensely well done.

Even when in full daylight the decay and menace was palatable.

 

[trab pu kcip]

No matter that some

Spoiler

absolutely insane

people didn't like the show can we all just agree that in terms of set design, location scouting, cinematography and acting this was a new step up for television?

There is very little that a big budget Hollywood movie could have done better than this.

I would say the biggest step up happened story- and characterwise. I've never seen anything on television that compares to TD's unique themes and thought-provoking dialogues. maybe only twin peaks as far as exploration of human darkness & twisted mystery goes.

 

[kmax]

The Yellow King is just a 'deity' that the Tuttle clan and the various branches of the Tuttle clan seem to worship, or did worship at one point in time. All of the horrific crimes, the kidnappings, rapes, murders, etc. were committed by this cult that worshipped that deity. The old lady was Sam Tuttle's maid, so she was close enough to the family that she was probably exposed to their beliefs and practices.

I guess Sam Tuttle, the progenitor of the family, began it in the 30s? Anyway, they were a bunch of child molesters that used the church schools in rural Louisiana to find victims (not everyone died, but there were a bunch of affected people). Eventually, they began killing victims, such as Marie Fontenault in ritualized murders.

Errol Childress, was also a product of this abuse and incest at the hands of the Tuttle clan (he was also a branch of the Tuttles). He went insane and went on a serial murder spree over the next thirty odd years. There is a Yellow King shrine in the depths of 'Carcosa' and he leaves the Devil's nests and victims to draw the attention of the police because he wants a confrontation with them. He believes that through death, he will ascend to another plane of existence. He also wants to expose the Tuttle clan for the things they have done and possibly continue to do.

Am I right here?

Pretty spot on. Errol says that he's not ashamed to do what he's done, so I think that he's proudly exposing his family's legacy by displaying the victims.

 

[Solo]

The Yellow King is just a 'deity' that the Tuttle clan and the various branches of the Tuttle clan seem to worship, or did worship at one point in time. All of the horrific crimes, the kidnappings, rapes, murders, etc. were committed by this cult that worshipped that deity. The old lady was Sam Tuttle's maid, so she was close enough to the family that she was probably exposed to their beliefs and practices.

I guess Sam Tuttle, the progenitor of the family, began it in the 30s? Anyway, they were a bunch of child molesters that used the church schools in rural Louisiana to find victims (not everyone died, but there were a bunch of affected people such as the prostitute in Episode 7). Eventually, they began killing victims, such as Marie Fontenault in ritualized murders. They wore the animal masks as part of the ritual. We don't know why they did it, all we have to go on is Errol's deranged rantings.

Errol Childress, was also a product of this abuse and incest at the hands of the Tuttle clan (he was also a branch of the Tuttles). He went insane and went on a serial murder spree over the next thirty odd years. There is a Yellow King shrine in the depths of 'Carcosa' and he leaves the Devil's nests and victims to draw the attention of the police because he wants a confrontation with them. He believes that through death, he will ascend to another plane of existence. He also wants to expose the Tuttle clan for the things they have done and possibly continue to do.

Am I right here?

More or less, yep. Although I don't think Childress cared about exposing the Tuttles. Instead (as he said), he wanted to do unto all the sons and daughters of man what had been done to him.

 

[Soyongdori]

Seriously, just because Marty had a hunch that green eared spaghetti monster == the green house, it led them to the real killer?

Does anyone think this is far-fetched?

 

[lamaroo]

People also need to watch Utopia if they want to compare cinematography.

I keep meaning to check this out but I'm watching so many other things at the moment.

 

[dan2026]

I would say the biggest step up happened story- and characterwise. I've never seen anything on television that compares to TD's unique themes and thought-provoking dialogues. maybe only twin peaks as far as exploration of human darkness & twisted mystery goes.

It was certainly a step in the right direction.

I didn't quite enjoy it as much as most. But TV has been improving by leaps and bounds in the last few years.

Seriously, just because Marty had a hunch that green eared spaghetti monster == the green house, it led them to the real killer?

Does anyone think this is far-fetched?

Oh completely.

The logical deductions and 'detective work' were a bit silly.

 

[AkuMifune]

Seriously, just because Marty had a hunch that green eared spaghetti monster == the green house, it led them to the real killer?

Does anyone think this is far-fetched?

Well a little, seeing as how GAF's theory of earplugs worked just fine, but let's stop trying to take away Marty's one moment of actual detective work.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Pretty spot on. Errol says that he's not ashamed to do what he's done, so I think that he's proudly exposing his family's legacy by displaying the victims.

More or less, yep. Although I don't think Childress cared about exposing the Tuttles. Instead (as he said), he wanted to do unto all the sons and daughters of man what had been done to him.

Yeah, you guys are probably right with that one.

Seriously, just because Marty had a hunch that green eared spaghetti monster == the green house, it led them to the real killer?

Does anyone think this is far-fetched?

Detective's curse.

 

[Helmholtz]

Seriously, just because Marty had a hunch that green eared spaghetti monster == the green house, it led them to the real killer?

Does anyone think this is far-fetched?

I do too. I felt like I had missed something. Seems like a stretch, I had to suspend my disbelief.

 

[Rawket Lawnchair]

Ah yes, the legendary 9th episode that drives everyone who sees it insane.

7th, my bad.

 

[amnesiac]

Also kind of ridiculous that Cohle and Marty would just follow the path where the killer had the advantage by knowing it...

 

[SCHUEY F1]

I keep meaning to check this out but I'm watching so many other things at the moment.

Six episodes. Fit it in before GoT.

 

[Can Crusher]

I liked the ending, didn't love it. Hope they get the same level of talent for next season.

 

[Solo]

Well a little, seeing as how GAF's theory of earplugs worked just fine, but let's stop trying to take away Marty's one moment of actual detective work.

C'mon, man. It takes a master of detection to uncover the clues to get into Daddario's pants. Marty is Sherlock John Holmes.

 

[kingocfs]

Seriously, just because Marty had a hunch that green eared spaghetti monster == the green house, it led them to the real killer?

Does anyone think this is far-fetched?

"Fuck you, man."

 

[Mononoke]

Also kind of ridiculous that Cohle and Marty would just follow the path where the killer had the advantage by knowing it...

Logically, sure. But see my post on that:

Errol bought into this idea that, the confrontation he was going to have with Rust was his final moments into ascension. He believed in fate, and that his showdown with someone would be his end. Conversely, Rust bought into the idea that all roads were leading to the end for him (he was prepared to die).

Ultimately, that's what the entire chase into Carcosa was about. You could argue that logically, it made no sense for Rust to break off from Marty and wander through that area. But that's what Rust was heading towards in his mind. I don't think Rust wanted to just put the guy down there out in the field, because it wouldn't have led to what he was seeking.

Conversely, Errol in his sick head, already knew how it was going to play out, so he too wouldn't want to just shoot Rust in that field. It was all about theatrics to an extent. I can see why some would have an issue with this. But given that Errol is a crazy killer that believes in what he's doing in a higher sense, and Rust is..well Rust, I accepted it.

Thematically I get it, but I can see your point of view too on it.

 

[SummitAve]

Seriously, just because Marty had a hunch that green eared spaghetti monster == the green house, it led them to the real killer?

Does anyone think this is far-fetched?

Definitely. I still don't understand how that connection was made.

I thought the ending was alright. Kinda wish it woulda have just ended with the three of them all sprawled out.