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[creationtheory]

I didnt care for mcconaughey's final scene. Felt too cliche. The "worldweary atheist comes to terms with the afterlife" thing is overplayed. I want a show where the atheist osnt some smug damaged guy.

I agree. It was a giant letdown.

 

[Burt]

Rust's experience sounds like Pizza man took a page from neurosurgeon Eben Alexander's brush with death while in a coma:

I had no body awareness at all. I was just a speck of awareness in kind of a dark, murky environment, in roots or vessels or something.

I remember reading something else where he talked about being in a place on incredible warmth and comfort. Not that I buy it, considering that googling his name brought up articles mostly debunking the facts put forth in his story, but there are certainly similarities between what he claims what happened to him and what Rust claims to have experienced.

 

[diaspora]

I don't think Rust is any more religious/spiritual now after his near death experience than he was prior, but rather his speech shows that optimism is as real (or illusory) as pessimism and the choice is really up to him.

 

[lamaroo]

I know we got a snippet of a news report talking about the Tuttle's denying any involvement, but was there any mention of Rust's files or the videotape in the news report?

Rust told his buddy to mail everything after 24 hours unless Rust stopped him, and there's no way he woke up within 24 hours right?

So at the very least the Tuttle name will be forever tarnished and linked to that.

 

[Barrage]

Very strong series, I loved it. The show lost a bit of momentum once the framing-via-police interviews ended in Episode 7, but still, I felt it was a very satisfying character study.

I think we all have subplots that did and didn't get followed up on, which is good, because it means the narrative and lore were so fascinating one outcome wasn't enough. For instance, i'm glad the Aubrey plot never led to some of the speculated areas, ala her being kidnapped/involved with the Yellow King. Marty having to save his daughter would've felt unneccessarily personal and Supercop-y to me.

On the other hand, when there was the possibility that maybe Rust had been spending 2002-2012 undercover investigating the Church, and was just faking the drunk hermit thing to throw the cops off, I thought that could've been an interesting avenue. I just really wanted to see Preacher Cohle, enticing and convincing people on something he didn't even slightly believe. Would've been fun.

Finally, I haven't seen it anywhere, but has anyone poted about the "Rust never came out of his coma" interpretation of the ending? It crossed my mind as I watched the finale, but I figured I might just be Sucker Punching it. Basically, this interpretation would mean that anything after the cops announce that Cohle is in a coma is in his mind-that Marty is the part of his brain reassuring him to let go. After he reveals his thoughts about his father and daughter, the dark night sky would represent him accepting death-the stars, whatever comes after.

It ain't canon, but fun to think about.

 

[Mononoke]

I watched the finale a second time, and I liked it a lot more on a second watch. My disappointment with the case portion wasn't as strong. I still personally feel like the "green ears" moment felt contrived. And on some level, I wanted more realization of the connection between Errol and the families. But I also thought the fact that we didn't get that, was the point of the shows ending theme that evil is a sprawl, and you can't take it all on. I just felt like everything came together in the end.

 

[Mononoke]

I didnt care for mcconaughey's final scene. Felt too cliche. The "worldweary atheist comes to terms with the afterlife" thing is overplayed. I want a show where the atheist osnt some smug damaged guy.

Depends on how you interpreted the scene. Personally, I didn't see it as the atheist being converted. Or rather, I didn't see it as Rust coming to accept that there is an afterlife. At least for me, it was more so that, Rust felt the love for his daughter and the love she had for him as he was fading away. It was the self realization that WE are the sum of our parts, and that, that in itself gives life meaning. That even though his daughter passed away (and so did his father), the experiences he had with them, that made his life mean something. It made his child's life have meaning.

It took him being on death's door to feel that humanity again. I don't really think that Rust's experience was a spiritual one (or rather, that Rust himself views it that way). The ending scene was more so the realization that, he had been bitter and lost the reason to live after his child died (and him acknowledging this). And so it was cathartic for him, to finally be able to let that go, and feel those things again that he lost. If anything, I don't see why an atheist can't feel these things. In fact, I'm an atheist. And while I do no believe in God or the afterlife, I subscribe to the idea that we all make our life mean something. It can be anything. But I do believe that family, loved ones, and the experiences we make with others IS what makes life worth living. It's being apart of this whole greater thing where our shared experiences make us who we are. The imprint/impact we leave on others.

That is how I took Rust's realization. Plus, I always thought Rust was a flawed human being (him caving in to Maggie for instance). He held a lot of philosophical views, that you could tell he didn't always hold up (or couldn't hold up).

 

[Silh]

I was pulling an all-nighter and admittedly nodding off during the finale. Not because I was bored, but because I was exhausted as hell from the day and a half I had before coming home. Perked right up during the last half; episode got me good.

Truly wasn't expecting a happy ending. Cohle's catharsis at the end reminded me a lot of Somerset quoting Hemingway at the end of Se7en: "'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.' I agree with the second part." …which is funny to me because I'm always trying to sell TD to my best friend who loves Se7en.

Carcosa though, holy fuck what a setting.

Hart and Cohle, best bros 4 life

 

[bunbun777]

One thing I didn't understand completely is the dog getting shot, that was from Errol? And yet he didn't want to use firearms to battle R and M due to the ceremony I suppose.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

- HBO via TVbtN:Also:

This high quality program deserved it.

 

[AkuMifune]

One thing I didn't understand completely is the dog getting shot, that was from Errol? And yet he didn't want to use firearms to battle R and M due to the ceremony I suppose.

I assumed he did it so that Rust wouldn't see exactly where he was at that moment (dog would follow him/stay near him).

And as for why he didn't use the gun on them, interesting. He did say "Come die with me little priest" so maybe he knew it was the end. Or he just liked getting his hands dirty.

 

[Messypandas]

One thing I didn't understand completely is the dog getting shot, that was from Errol? And yet he didn't want to use firearms to battle R and M due to the ceremony I suppose.

Theres no gun shot. You see the dog run around the house and squeal. He just bashed his head apart with something.

 

[Mononoke]

One thing I didn't understand completely is the dog getting shot, that was from Errol? And yet he didn't want to use firearms to battle R and M due to the ceremony I suppose.

Errol bought into this idea that, the confrontation he was going to have with Rust was his final moments into ascension. He believed in fate, and that his showdown with someone would be his end. Conversely, Rust bought into the idea that all roads were leading to the end for him (he was prepared to die).

Ultimately, that's what the entire chase into Carcosa was about. You could argue that logically, it made no sense for Rust to break off from Marty and wander through that area. But that's what Rust was heading towards in his mind. I don't think Rust wanted to just put the guy down there out in the field, because it wouldn't have led to what he was seeking.

Conversely, Errol in his sick head, already knew how it was going to play out, so he too wouldn't want to just shoot Rust in that field. It was all about theatrics to an extent. I can see why some would have an issue with this. But given that Errol is a crazy killer that believes in what he's doing in a higher sense, and Rust is..well Rust, I accepted it.

EDIT: Well even though it wasn't a shot, I still think my post above applies as to why he didn't directly fight Rust head on.

 

[Socreges]

I know we got a snippet of a news report talking about the Tuttle's denying any involvement, but was there any mention of Rust's files or the videotape in the news report?

Rust told his buddy to mail everything after 24 hours unless Rust stopped him, and there's no way he woke up within 24 hours right?

So at the very least the Tuttle name will be forever tarnished and linked to that.

Isn't that how the police found them? It had been 24 hours? Because otherwise I don't understand how they found them. So far as I could tell, Marty never found a phone.

Also the Attorney General and FBI denied reports that the Tuttles were linked, so I'm not sure how much the name would be tarnished. It wasn't just the Tuttles denying involvement.

 

[kingocfs]

All in all, a pretty fantastic series. McConaughey nailed his performance from start to finish.

Very much looking forward to the arrival of these to commemorate a great show...

Hoping mine comes with Childress. I forget how many of the serial killer drawings he said he'd do, though.

 

[AkuMifune]

Theres no gun shot. You see the dog run around the house and squeal. He just bashed his head apart with something.

I thought I heard one, but you could be right. Maybe just the poor things skull.

Ivan Drago voice: Now your head is flat circle.

 

[Cornballer]

- NY Mag: True Detective’s Production Designer on the Finale’s Mazelike Fort

 

[explorer]

One thing I didn't understand completely is the dog getting shot, that was from Errol? And yet he didn't want to use firearms to battle R and M due to the ceremony I suppose.

He axed the dog; he never shot the dog. When did you hear a gunshot?

Granted, if you were watching the episode in South Central LA (or Louisiana) there may have been a well-timed gunshot in the background

 

[Einchy]

What's the last line Rust says to Marty? I can't seem to make it out.

 

[bunbun777]

Ok funny how I remember a shot but makes more sense there wasn't one, will be watching again later today thanks guys.

 

[Messypandas]

What's the last line Rust says to Marty? I can't seem to make it out.

"Well, once there was only dark. If you ask me the light is winning.”

 

[explorer]

What's the last line Rust says to Marty? I can't seem to make it out.

I had to put subtitles on during the last scene. Could not understand a thing MM was saying!

 

[Cornballer]

- NY Mag: True Detective Director Cary Fukunaga on the Season-1 Finale and Why So Many ‘Clues’ Aren’t Addressed

What do you make of all the theorizing that went on around the show? The resolution to the murders was fairly straightforward — the crazy Spaghetti Monster did it — but there were many clues and Easter eggs planted along the way about this sprawling Tuttle/Childress/Ledoux conspiracy.

Most of that was definitely deliberate — the lawnmower driving in circles at the end of episode seven, the use of spirals and stars. Some of it wasn’t intentional, like when the truck was driving by and there’s a yellow crown in the background. I’ve been sent a lot of this stuff because my agent is a huge fanboy. He sent me The Simpsons’ yellow king thing, and the one where the guy has an actual actor playing the yellow king. As much as we in development might have wanted to see the general sort of feeling of conspiracy and learn more about what this cult might have been about, the weight of the story needed to focus on Marty and Rust’s relationship.

Looking at the comments on several reviews of the finale, there’s a particularly heavy obsession, borderline insanity, with why the “clues” about Marty’s daughter Audrey (the drawings, dolls, and crown) were never addressed.

I never read into what she was doing as having any relation to the crimes or the cult. I read Audrey’s behavior as being the direct result of an inattentive father. Seeking male attention in other places, or even seeking to get into trouble, perhaps, to get the attention of her father; it was not related to the killings or anyone around them. I don’t even remember seeing the spiral in her room. The general chatter around those things is great, but it’s probably the kind of chatter that wouldn’t have happened had all those episodes been released at once. The anticipation-speculation that comes with a weekly schedule is a double-edged sword. Because people have more time to talk about things, some crazy ideas get a lot of attention.

Another of Rust’s hallucinations, this one a cosmic blue vortex, arrives at the worst possible moment. How was it described to you and what were you going for?

I don’t know if I could tell you what Nic originally had envisioned without getting in trouble. We landed on the spiral formation of the clouds as a wrapping-up of the symbology, or at least a book-ending of the symbology. I liked the idea that we could actually see Carcosa and black stars. If you look really closely, you can see black orbs floating in it. It was important to me that if we’re gonna talk about these things, let’s see them one more time before we finish.

Much more via the link.

 

[Einchy]

"Well, once there was only dark. If you ask me the light is winning.”

Awesome.

Thanks, man.

 

[Solo]

Isn't that how the police found them? It had been 24 hours? Because otherwise I don't understand how they found them. So far as I could tell, Marty never found a phone.

Marty definitely got the woman to give up her phone. Rust and Marty both likely would have bled out in 24 hours. Rust for absolute sure. He made the call before going after Rust.

 

[Mononoke]

I also liked how the show wrapped up Marty and Rust's relationship. Hollywood is really lacking in male bonding/friendship (unless it's comedy). I'm glad that we got a fleshed out friendship. Same issue with male and female friends (it always falls in romance). We need more of this.

 

[tino]

Think about it

Rust:

His best moments in life were when he was on the verge of dying due to being stabbed by the man he was obsessed to find and bring justice to and it had 2 of the people he misses the most and both are not in this world, his father and his daughter. For a person who said death has no meaning and people are not precious, the best few seconds of his life are about the people he loved and misses most in his near death moments

Marty:

When he has his ex wife on his left and his daughters on his right, and he is in bed after a brush with death itself and almost loosing his case partner, he realises that moment was the closest to his 'family' he has ever been and realised this was the only genuine family moment he had and yet this family is not something he has anymore, they are part of another family. He realises what he has missed all those years since his marriage


And the very very end

Rust opens up to someone after forever perhaps and lets it all out and Marty accepts the talk from Rust he always thought was gibberish as meaningful

Very good read. I agreed. I also really like how the last episode is handled because there are a few loose and unanswered ends for both the case and character themselves. That make the show feel very real to me. Its one of the few times I feel a TV show can be a real as a book.

I am not sure if Rust made peace with the lost of his daughtor.

 

[Socreges]

Marty definitely got the woman to give up her phone. Rust and Marty both likely would have bled out in 24 hours. Rust for absolute sure. He made the call before going after Rust.

Yeah I couldn't actually reconcile the two thoughts in my mind. Not to mention that it went from day to night which wasn't anywhere near 24 hours. Yet I didn't think he got to make the call either.


... Makes much more sense now.

 

[AkuMifune]

Marty definitely got the woman to give up her phone. Rust and Marty both likely would have bled out in 24 hours. Rust for absolute sure. He made the call before going after Rust.

The phone in the house wasn't even connected. I assumed as the cops knew that Marty & Rust had been playing private detective that they were having them followed and after losing his cell phone signal maybe went in to check.

Of course, maybe she had a spare phone in her abortion room. (is that was that was? crazy place).

 

[lamaroo]

Isn't that how the police found them? It had been 24 hours? Because otherwise I don't understand how they found them. So far as I could tell, Marty never found a phone.

Also the Attorney General and FBI denied reports that the Tuttles were linked, so I'm not sure how much the name would be tarnished. It wasn't just the Tuttles denying involvement.

Well Marty said "everyone has a phone" then stuck the gun directly into her face before cutting away, I'm assuming she told him where it was.

I guess Rust never had any real evidence linking Tuttle, but surely all of the "coincidences" in the case involving his schools would be reported by media, and believed by many.

 

[castlegar]

I never read into what she was doing as having any relation to the crimes or the cult. I read Audrey’s behavior as being the direct result of an inattentive father. Seeking male attention in other places, or even seeking to get into trouble, perhaps, to get the attention of her father; it was not related to the killings or anyone around them. I don’t even remember seeing the spiral in her room. The general chatter around those things is great, but it’s probably the kind of chatter that wouldn’t have happened had all those episodes been released at once. The anticipation-speculation that comes with a weekly schedule is a double-edged sword. Because people have more time to talk about things, some crazy ideas get a lot of attention.

Kind of a cop-out answer when that stuff so obviously related to the case, re: the dolls set up like the ritual, the masked individual in the drawings. Those were big, clear hints that went nowhere.

 

[Cornballer]

- Slate: Interview with the TD costume designer Jenny Eagan

 

[Danielsan]

Just saw the finale. Did not care for it at all. Very lackluster. Following the dude into his creepy little home made temple only to get skewered felt especially cliched. Not to mention the ridiculousness of that axe throw.

 

[Solo]

The phone in the house wasn't even connected. I assumed as the cops knew that Marty & Rust had been playing private detective that they were having them followed and after losing his cell phone signal maybe went in to check.

Of course, maybe she had a spare phone in her abortion room. (is that was that was? crazy place).

Like Marty said: it's 2012, everyone has a phone. I'm certain there was a cell she gave up when she realized Marty wasn't fucking around.

 

[Socreges]

The phone in the house wasn't even connected. I assumed as the cops knew that Marty & Rust had been playing private detective that they were having them followed and after losing his cell phone signal maybe went in to check.

Of course, maybe she had a spare phone in her abortion room. (is that was that was? crazy place).

Marty called for sure. I just brought the scene up again. He says that everyone has a phone, she changes the subject, he puts the gun at her cheek and asks where the phone is. Cut to Rust.

Too subtle for me at that point. Was invested in Rust.

 

[Cornballer]

- Variety: ‘True Detective’: Where Things Stand with Season 2

At present, creator Nic Pizzolatto is said to be hunkered down writing scripts for the second season at his home in a picturesque area of Ventura County.

HBO execs have said they intend to order a second season of the anthology series, which will return with new characters and a new mystery to unravel. Speculation about the possible casting for the next batch of episodes is running rampant online, but those in the know say the plan is to wait until a script or two is completed before going out to actors.

 

[StopMakingSense]

I thought what happened was the Police got the package that Rust had told his boss to send and showed up because of that. There was something in the TV report later that specifically called out the package.

 

[Solo]

The whole Carcosa sequence was beyond creepy and intense, but man......that combination of Rust entering the throne room and hallucinating Carcosa followed by Errol lunging out from the shadows, stabbing him, and "take off your mask".......fuuuuuuuu

 

[hokagespit]

Right. They way I saw it was he had a near death experience, they way he described it was how many people describe them, and it clearly put him in touch with his emotions regarding his daughter. It's not like he said "Now I know Jesus died for my sins."

well put. he described things as i've described them myself. as i saw them. a puddle pouring into the sea. and he wasn't afraid of melting into it not being alone or just him anymore. I dont believe in any religion but what he depicted resonated with me it doesn't mean he changed his beliefs.

 

[Ranger Taffles]

I'm gonna miss these two. After Terriers, this show hits the hardest for putting the 'partners' relationship in such a great way.

Also, superb finale. Loved the production and Nic has a career in writing shows if he carries this on.

 

[youbastards]

After Terriers, this show hits the hardest for putting the 'partners' relationship in such a great way.

Yeah, Terriers didn't get the respect it deserved.

 

[AkuMifune]

Like Marty said: it's 2012, everyone has a phone. I'm certain there was a cell she gave up when she realized Marty wasn't fucking around.

Marty called for sure. I just brought the scene up again. He says that everyone has a phone, she changes the subject, he puts the gun at her cheek and asks where the phone is. Cut to Rust.

Too subtle for me at that point. Was invested in Rust.

Yeah, that does make sense. I want to re-watch it, but will wait to run through the season again.

I knew there would be people disappointed, because there was too many different things people expected/demanded the show to be that it wasn't. The show is FULL of symbols, don't confuse those for hints/incomplete threads. Evil is everywhere, light vs. dark, etc...

 

[Sakai Moka]

worth noting that he's still planning on doing Stephen Kings IT.

Wow, that could be really interesting.

 

[Jables Swan]

Great gif but some idiot posted in one of the other threads yesterday and ruined the ending for me. Think it was the Arrow thread. Thanks for that.

Another fantastic episode. Both actors were brilliant all season but they really shone in this episode. Great final scene.

 

[Rawket Lawnchair]

Pretty underwhelming finale. Good season overall, but I was expecting more "mind = blown" moments for the final episode.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Rust just had a dmt trip

 

[kriskrosbbk]

Guys ,what was that with the green ears?Anyone.

 

[Socreges]

Great gif but some idiot posted in one of the other threads yesterday and ruined the ending for me. Think it was the Arrow thread. Thanks for that.

Another fantastic episode. Both actors were brilliant all season but they really shone in this episode. Great final scene.

Yeah, some idiot posted it in the NHL thread too. Didn't ruin it for me as I'd already seen it, but certainly spoiled it for some people.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Great gif but some idiot posted in one of the other threads yesterday and ruined the ending for me. Think it was the Arrow thread. Thanks for that.

Another fantastic episode. Both actors were brilliant all season but they really shone in this episode. Great final scene.

Who posted that? Let's go take them down. All the way down.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Yeah, some idiot posted it in the NHL thread too. Didn't ruin it for me as I'd already seen it, but certainly spoiled it for some people.

Never even thought of that. Glad I watched it last night.